U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (06/07/91)
A lot of people are complaining about having autoloaders that cannot fire without a magazine in the well. That's all well and good, for your purposes, but for a very long time (since 1899 and the Military and Police first came out), swing out cylindar revolvers have been used in crisis situations with admirable results. And these weapons cannot be fired without their "magazine" in the "well." I refer to, of course, the cylindar. Damaged magazines also have the simplest repair in the world- other magazines. A friend of mine owns a Smith and Wesson 3904, one of the first ones out. A man at the gun range looked it over and frowned at it, saying that his piece, (a Springfield with the magazine safety removed) was a lot better because it could be fired single shot. My friend shrugged and smiled. He regularly carries four eight round magazines for the weapon, and has trained himself to retain spent or partially spent magazines. The reason for this, while magazines do break (and he's had this happen to him), it is extremely rare for five magazines to have their lips crumple to the point of inoperability, especially with well made magazine pouches and holsters, and careful training in the reloading of your weapon. (He does a sort of claw, twist wrist, stuff maneuver that is as fluid as any move Bruce Lee ever made. The ring and little finger yank the mag from the well as it is released, while the thumb and forefinger push the fresh one into the well, twisting the wrist only slightly to do this. I'm trying to learn this, but it's not a high priority since I'm better off with my Beretta and my Military and Police for the time being.) Dougster.
sasazc@mcnc.org (Al Cohen) (06/12/91)
In article <35371@mimsy.umd.edu>, U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes: |> A lot of people are complaining about having autoloaders that cannot fire |> without a magazine in the well. That's all well and good, for your |> purposes, but for a very long time (since 1899 and the Military and Police |> first came out), swing out cylindar revolvers have been used in crisis |> situations with admirable results. And these weapons cannot be fired without |> their "magazine" in the "well." I refer to, of course, the cylindar. |> Damaged magazines also have the simplest repair in the world- other magazines. |> ... What you say is true, but it simply states that revolvers and autos with magazine safeties can be, and have been, used effectively at "crunch time". You don't state that pistols without mag safeties are dangerous, or have drawbacks compared to magazine safetied pistols. Regardless how smooth and fast your change is, it's not faster than pulling the trigger. And though situations where you don't have a magazine ready may be few and far between, I like knowing I can fire without one if need be. -- Al Cohen SAS Institute Inc. sasazc@dev SAS Campus Drive (919)677-8000 x7117 Cary, NC 27513 "The horror ... the horror"