newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) (06/06/91)
I try to read rec.guns when I can but, frankly, there is just a great deal of chatter that doesn't interest me. A whole lot of discussion on informal shooting, self defense, soft body armor and the like. Please, no flames. I'm not knocking it. Its just that I would like to find a group that just discusses target shooting. You know, with rules, score keeping, records and the like. I shoot U.S. Highpower (aka Fullbore), sometimes smallbore and a bullseye pistol. If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started. Discussion? Donald R. Newcomb newcomb@world.std.com
ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.OZ.AU (Geoff Miller) (06/06/91)
newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) writes:
#I try to read rec.guns when I can but, frankly, there is just a great
#deal of chatter that doesn't interest me. A whole lot of discussion on
#informal shooting, self defense, soft body armor and the like. Please,
#no flames. I'm not knocking it. Its just that I would like to find a
#group that just discusses target shooting. You know, with rules,
#score keeping, records and the like. I shoot U.S. Highpower (aka
#Fullbore), sometimes smallbore and a bullseye pistol.
#If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just
#discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about
#it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started.
I'm not convinced we need yet another group, but as a fairly dedicated
target shooter (smallbore rifle, UIT pistol and fullbore occasionally)
I would also like to see more discussion of pure, classic bullseye-style
shooting. I have through e-mail attempted to make contacts with other
clubs, particularly university rifle clubs in the UK, with a view to setting
up postal matches with my local club if there was any interest, but with
no success. Any interest out there?
Geoff Miller (ghm@cc.adfa.oz.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academysmpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) (06/06/91)
In <35278@mimsy.umd.edu>, newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) writes... #I try to read rec.guns when I can but, frankly, there is just a great #deal of chatter that doesn't interest me. A whole lot of discussion on #informal shooting, self defense, soft body armor and the like. Please, #no flames. I'm not knocking it. Its just that I would like to find a #group that just discusses target shooting. You know, with rules, #score keeping, records and the like. I shoot U.S. Highpower (aka #Fullbore), sometimes smallbore and a bullseye pistol. #If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just #discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about #it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started. # #Discussion? Great Idea! How about someone starting one? We could talk about accurizing, where to buy scopes and other equipment; good ranges; have a postal match; upload articles from Shooting Sports; shooting techniques; trigger control; etc, etc. ____________________________ May all your scores be 'X's! _____________________________
hollen@UCSD.EDU (Dion Hollenbeck) (06/07/91)
In article <35294@mimsy.umd.edu> ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.OZ.AU (Geoff Miller) writes:
#
# I'm not convinced we need yet another group, but as a fairly dedicated
# target shooter (smallbore rifle, UIT pistol and fullbore occasionally)
# I would also like to see more discussion of pure, classic bullseye-style
# shooting.
I agree. It would be nice for the target, benchrest and accuracy
content to go up in this group, but I don't think it warrants
another group. I have basically the same dis-interest in a lot
of subjects as the poster who started this thread, but I find
that with traffic of only 20-40 articles a day (since this is
a moderated group), it is relatively easy to scan through topics
and ignore those of no interest. Maybe the original poster's
problem is the user-interface of his news-reader. I currently
use "gnus" in Emacs, but previously used "vn" and both of these
allow ease of scanning large groups with little material of
interest.
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uunet!megatek!hollen or hollen@megatek.uucpbercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) (06/07/91)
In article <35278@mimsy.umd.edu> newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) writes
#If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just
#discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about
#it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started.
Personally, I like the convenience of reading all my gun news on
rec.guns. I like target shooting (bullseye pistol) too and would
like to see more discussion of that activity. How about a subject
line that looked like this:
Subject: T your subject
Can one set up one's kill file as an acceptor rather than a
rejector? If you could put "T" (for target) in front of your
subjects, I could even put "Z" (for snooze) in front of my
technical treatises. 8-)
JHBercovitz@lbl.gov (John Bercovitz)jamaass@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey A. Maass) (06/07/91)
smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
# In <35278@mimsy.umd.edu>, newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) writes...
# #I try to read rec.guns when I can but, frankly, there is just a great
# #deal of chatter that doesn't interest me. A whole lot of discussion on
# #informal shooting, self defense, soft body armor and the like. Please,
# #no flames. I'm not knocking it. Its just that I would like to find a
# #group that just discusses target shooting. You know, with rules,
# #score keeping, records and the like. I shoot U.S. Highpower (aka
# #Fullbore), sometimes smallbore and a bullseye pistol.
# #If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just
# #discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about
# #it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started.
# #
# #Discussion?
#
# Great Idea!
#
# How about someone starting one?
#
# We could talk about accurizing, where to buy scopes and other equipment;
# good ranges; have a postal match; upload articles from Shooting Sports;
# shooting techniques; trigger control; etc, etc.
#
I like the idea of more such discussion (I'm a rank beginner, and
I need all the advise I can get).
I'd also like to see some listings of shooting events posted.
Is "Shooting Sports" a magazine? Address? Contents?
This is from
jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
jamaass%bluemoon@nstar.rn.com
who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yetEY15@liverpool.ac.uk (EY15) (06/08/91)
In article <35278@mimsy.umd.edu>, newcomb@world.std.com (Donald R Newcomb) says:
#
#If there is a news group, mail list, etc. that is limited to just
#discussion of target shooting, I would appreciate knowing about
#it. If not, perhaps there is enough interest to get one started.
I, for one, would be interested.
Many of the topics discussed in rec.guns have no relovance here in the U.K.
because of our stupid gun laws. I shoot small bore rife seriously (and
pistol for fun) and would welcome the chance to discuss target shooting
on the net.
Marcus Shaw.
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In article <35309@mimsy.umd.edu> smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
#
#Great Idea!
#
#How about someone starting one?
#
#We could talk about accurizing, where to buy scopes and other equipment;
#good ranges; have a postal match; upload articles from Shooting Sports;
#shooting techniques; trigger control; etc, etc.
#
What I would really like to see is a discussion of the various Olympic
shooting events (you know, the ones that the TV won't show so they don't
"glorify guns".) I know about biathalon, but aren't there quite a few
others?
-Troy
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Phone: (503) 578-4491 Beaverton, Oregon 97006-6063hes@ccvr1.cc.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) (06/11/91)
Everybody - please post target shooting material in rec.guns. If there gets to be some much of it that it interupts the "real" business of rec.guns (whatever that is :-) then we can split the groups. However starting a new group is generally a bad idea until there is a body of traffic for it - otherwise the same people who don't post in rec.guns will not post in the new group. I'd love to read more about bullseye and other types of target shooting. Perhaps someone could start out by explaining scoring, and how the "plugs" are used, and why. (Personally I think that all target shooting should be done with wadcutters because it would make scoring easier. :-) --henry schaffer n c state univ [MODERATOR: I'd like to jump in to the discussion by concurring with Henry's observations above. I don't think we yet have the traffic to warrant a separate group -- moreover, I think that *most* of the reloading/sighting/equipment issues are relevent across types of shooting, so postings here should benefit all. I hope that lack of a `special' group has not inhibited people from posting here in rec.guns, in fact I'd like to take this opportunity to invite more discussion on target activities as a way to get us all knit together a little more closely. ``Surely we must hang together else we shall hang separately....'']
EY15@liverpool.ac.uk (EY15) (06/11/91)
In article <35380@mimsy.umd.edu>, tlanders@sequent.com says:
#
#What I would really like to see is a discussion of the various Olympic
#shooting events (you know, the ones that the TV won't show so they don't
#"glorify guns".) I know about biathalon, but aren't there quite a few
#others?
In the last Olympics only one UK competitor retained his gold from the
1984 games, Malcolm Cooper in three position free rifle. Alisdair Allan
won the silver, the only event we got gold and silver in in 1988.
I informed Channel 4 television of this when I wrote to them asking why
they never show any shooting. They couldn't be bothered to reply....
Marcus Shawbashiti%kira.UVM.EDU@griffin.UVM.EDU (Abbas J Bashiti) (06/13/91)
#From article <35419@mimsy.umd.edu>, by hes@ccvr1.cc.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer):
#
# Perhaps someone could start out by explaining scoring, and
# how the "plugs" are used, and why. (Personally I think that
# all target shooting should be done with wadcutters because it
# would make scoring easier. :-)
#
Well, wadcutters are very nice for hangun shooting, but the plugs
really come in in smallbore, and highpower. The fact that the bullets
are shaped the way they are, at least in highpower, is due to efficiency.
Now, since we basically have to have the bullets we use, the plugs are
handy. They are used by inserting in the bullet hole. Most plugs have
a small magnifying disc, with a bullet diameter disk in it. If the now
magnified line of the target is cut by the bullet diameter disc, the
higher score is given. In highpower they are used mostly for challanges.
Never figured why though, since the spotter will expand the hole anyway...
In smallbore, they can be used directly for questionable shots
when scoring the target I believe. There may be some rules about how
many times a shot may be plugged, this may mean if the shot is challenged
then it is plugged for verification so as to not expand the hole.
later,
AJberenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (Coffee: Nature's Productivity Tool 13-Jun-1991 1007) (06/14/91)
re plugs: I haven't looked up the rules for target shooting. In IPSC, we generally use templates rather than plugs because the plug does enlarge the hole. NROI teaches that if you do use a plug, once removed the target is no longer scorable. So, if there is a challenge you have to leave the plug inserted until the range master, and perhaps an arbitration committee, examine the target. Normally in IPSC we just tape and reuse the targets, but in this case we would have to remove the target and put up a new one. That is sooooo time consuming that I've never seen a plug used at an actual match. ............................................................................. Hal Berenson Home: 71640.3535@compuserve.com OR oldcolo!berenson@csn.org Work: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com -- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's! If I happen to communicate with you from work rather than home, its just for convenience (just like asking for a "daytime phone number") and should not be construed as representing the views of my employer or its employees, officers, directors, or stockholders. --
smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) (06/14/91)
Has anyone ever used a military sling on a M1 Garand looped as a cuff sling? We're having problems with the sling when shooting in a prone position. The sling is too short. Any suggestions? ____________________________ May all your scores be 'X's! _____________________________
magnum@mimsy.umd.edu (News Moderator) (06/15/91)
In article <35605@mimsy.umd.edu> smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
#Has anyone ever used a military sling on a M1 Garand looped as a cuff sling?
Yes, It works fine.
#We're having problems with the sling when shooting in a prone position. The
#sling is too short. Any suggestions?
You are probably not looping it right. Trying to explain it in words
would take more time than I have right now. If you go to a high power
match ask one of the competitors for help. That's how I learned. If
you can't get help that way send a self addressed stamped envelope to
me and I will mail you a drawing of how I do it.
Brian Vandewettering
750 SE Linn
Portland, OR 97202
If the sling is still too short and you are sure you are looping it
correctly then call Accuracy International in Bozeman, Montana
(406) 587-7922. They carry the Creedmore sling which I understand is
longer than standard.
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brian@pdx.csd.mot.com . . . tektronix!nosun!cvedc!mcspdx!briansmpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) (06/17/91)
In magnum@mimsy.umd.edu (News Moderator) writes...
#
#In article <35605@mimsy.umd.edu> smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
##Has anyone ever used a military sling on a M1 Garand looped as a cuff sling?
#
#Yes, It works fine.
#
##We're having problems with the sling when shooting in a prone position. The
##sling is too short. Any suggestions?
#
#You are probably not looping it right. Trying to explain it in words
#would take more time than I have right now.
I'm fairly certain that I'm using the sling correctly since the sling at
the upper swivel is smooth below my left hand (I am right handed)
Do you have the loop placed above or below the biceps?
#If the sling is still too short and you are sure you are looping it
#correctly then call Accuracy International in Bozeman, Montana
#(406) 587-7922. They carry the Creedmore sling which I understand is
#longer than standard.
Thanks, I am aware of the Creedmore sling and I may have to buy it if I can't
use the issue sling high above the biceps.
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