leone@apt.bungi.com (Marc Leone) (06/14/91)
#From article <35476@mimsy.umd.edu>, by cash@convex.com (Peter Cash):
# In article <35433@mimsy.umd.edu> roc@sequent.com writes:
# #
# #I agree. The .30 carbine is a good round that does not deserve the
# #derision heaped upon it. It's a relitively low power round (110
#
# Anybody know about the reliability of these carbines? How about the
# relative merits of the .45 vs. the 9mm version? Does anybody make an
# extended magazine (i.e. > 8 rounds) for the .45 version?
For those who don't know ^^^^ this is ACP.
I have one in .45 and I've used the 9mm version, too. At a local
range, on the 50yard target range, they were both super. The 9mm
had a wonderful scope and the .45 was more accurate than I would
have thought, given the fact that the front sight covered the target
(I'm not talking 'groups' here, just managing to stay mostly in the
black, the 9mm was probably capable of groups, but I was having fun,
not working, Eddie, any input?). However, on the 100yard tin can
alley, the .45 was a lot of work, it would always be close, but
rarely could I get a direct hit with it. My SKS-56, on the other
hand was terrific, especially at cleanup (the bottles faking
'death' or hiding behind clumps of dirt or the debris of their
fellows...) with its iron sights.
Not that I recommend the SKS-56, but for me it has been a
pretty good plinker.
I wouldn't recommend the .45 Carbine for a rural rifle
because it is a pistol round not a rifle round. I consider mine
more of a toy (and part of a series of guns in .45ACP) than a tool.
But since this is a discussion on the various rifles for
use on a rural property, what's wrong with a lever action 30-30?
It's _the_ cowboy rifle, right? Seems to me to be a very good
answer to the question. Or, if you insist on a pistol round in a
rifle, a lever action in .44 or the Timberwolf pump .357magnum.
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#< VOICE: 408 377 9950 FAX: 408 377 0374marko@hutch (Mark O'Shea) (06/15/91)
In article <35617@mimsy.umd.edu> leone@apt.bungi.com (Marc Leone) writes:
# But since this is a discussion on the various rifles for
#use on a rural property, what's wrong with a lever action 30-30?
#It's _the_ cowboy rifle, right? Seems to me to be a very good
#answer to the question. Or, if you insist on a pistol round in a
#rifle, a lever action in .44 or the Timberwolf pump .357magnum.
Yes. The other day I was in my local smithy's picking up my pistol
and he had a Winchester Mod 94 Trapper in .30-30. I has a 16" bbl.
I think this has the potential to be a great gun for the rural property
defense.
Gun Control Means Being Able to Hit Your Target
Mark O'Shea
marko@ijf1.intel.comjoseph@uunet.uu.net (06/15/91)
# But since this is a discussion on the various rifles for # use on a rural property, what's wrong with a lever action 30-30? Ever shoot one? Out of the box it can be very humbling. I took my model 94 to the range put one round thru it and ... ouch! I tried another round. Ouch! The next day at the gunsmith's, I was explaining how I was a wimp and needed a recoil pad install. He assured me it wasn't just me and said he didn't know why the 94 doesn't come stock with one. Unlike the SKS, AR-15, mini-14, 30-Carbine, the 30-30 kicks. -Joseph Crunk
dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA) (06/15/91)
In article <35662@mimsy.umd.edu>, smosjc!joseph@uunet.uu.net writes:
#Ever shoot one? Out of the box it can be very humbling. I took my
#model 94 to the range put one round thru it and ... ouch! I tried another
#round. Ouch!
I have to agree to this, I took my Browning B-92 in 44 mag
out to the range and after 5 shots I had to really convince myself
to fire another round. My shoulder was black and blue for 3-4 days.
Any recommendations on on recoil pads. I have only seen
Pachmayr's. I would like soething a little more squishy than the Pachmayr's.
dave
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In article <35677@mimsy.umd.edu>, dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA) writes: #In article <35662@mimsy.umd.edu>, smosjc!joseph@uunet.uu.net writes: ##Ever shoot one? Out of the box it can be very humbling. I took my ##model 94 to the range put one round thru it and ... ouch! I tried another ##round. Ouch! # # I have to agree to this, I took my Browning B-92 in 44 mag #out to the range and after 5 shots I had to really convince myself #to fire another round. My shoulder was black and blue for 3-4 days. # Any recommendations on on recoil pads. I have only seen #Pachmayr's. I would like soething a little more squishy than the Pachmayr's. # dave Having fired Dave's b92, I can attest to the fact that it's 'interesting' to shoot it off the bench. I have no problem with the recoil from standing, so I must be doing something right. . . Anyway, since I'm getting closer and closer to actually taking the plunge and getting one of my p-14's built up into a 458 WinMag, I'd like to ask for recommendations for recoil pads for rifles that have that level of recoil. (actually, the 458 is just something to let me work up my recoil endurance, up to the level of the 500 A-square. People always ask me what the hell I want a 500 A-square for, as in "what the hell is it usefull for"? The only reply I have found that works is "it's a toy, just like your sports car: not real useful, but loads of fun!" :)) -cbl | Chris Luchini/1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505 | | cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (best) |Cluch@fnald.bitnet (second chance) | no cute sig found. . . thinking . . . thinking . . .
russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) (06/18/91)
In article <35662@mimsy.umd.edu> smosjc!joseph@uunet.uu.net writes:
#The next day at the gunsmith's, I was explaining how I was a wimp and
#needed a recoil pad install. He assured me it wasn't just me and said
#he didn't know why the 94 doesn't come stock with one.
#
#Unlike the SKS, AR-15, mini-14, 30-Carbine, the 30-30 kicks.
The Winchester 94 *rifle* comes with recoil pad installed. The
carbine and brush carbine (are those the names?) don't come with pads
installed. The difference between these are the barrel lengths: 24",
20" and 16".
I have a Winchester 94 in 7-30 Waters for Cowboy Silhouette. It will
punish the shoulder in the 40 rounds required in the competition (not
counting sighters...) Developing a load for this puppy is going to
take a couple of trips, I think, for the shoulder to "break in".
I wear a Bob Allen vest for lefties with an extra pad in it. Not a
sissy (not a point made at the range in any case). If you fail to
cushion the recoil you'll develop an unbeatable flinch.
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