[rec.guns] Downloaded Centerfire rounds

wbp@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (PEEL, WILLIAM B) (06/15/91)

Keith,

Although my experience with reloading rifle rounds is limited, my reading
tells me that downloading a rifle round by simply reducing the amount of 
powder used can be a dangerous practice.  There is the possibility of 
dangerous pressure increases, sufficient to damage both gun and shooter.

Downloading by substituting a faster powder and a cast lead bullet is an
accepted and safe practice.  Unique is often used.  However, someone more
knowledgeable than I will have to provide you with particulars.  Failing
that, Mike Venturino has written several articles in past Guns & Ammo
about reduced lead bullet loads.  The late George C. Nonte also devoted
a chapter to the subject in his book "Basic Handloading," (Stoeger Books)
$7.95 last time I checked.

Hope this has helped,
Bill Peel

keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) (06/18/91)

Hello,
   Thanks to all who responded to my questions by post and email
about downloading .270 rounds. The general consensus was that it
*should* be safe if one were to use a slow to medium burn rate
powder and cast bullets which work well at the lower velocities.
(BTW, to Geoff Kotzar: I use Hodgon H380 powder.) Since I have
not come across cast .270 bullets at the gun shows and shops,
who makes a .270 bullet mold and how much does it cost? 
 Again, thanks everyone.
                                            Keith Boyd


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bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) (06/19/91)

In article <35757@mimsy.umd.edu> keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM 
(Keith Boyd) writes:
#Hello,
#   Thanks to all who responded to my questions by post and email
#about downloading .270 rounds. The general consensus was that it
#*should* be safe if one were to use a slow to medium burn rate
#powder and cast bullets which work well at the lower velocities.

I think the general consensus was to use a _fast_ powder and 
probably a filler (pinch of Dacron or similar).  Please check
further if re-reading the posts doesn't satisfy you on this 
matter.  Even the use of a fast powder and a filler is very 
much "do this at your own risk" IMHO.  It _is_ and advanced
technique.

   JHBercovitz@lbl.gov    (John Bercovitz)

webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods) (06/20/91)

Be careful about dowloading, particularly with slow
burning powders.  I just read a piece having to do with
magnum pistol loads (some of which use slower powders)
to be particulary wary of loading below 90% of loadings
of eg H-110 & WW296 powders which are slow(handguns).

If you want a much downloaded round look for a tried and
true recipe using a faster burning powder.

webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods) (06/20/91)

In article <35757@mimsy.umd.edu> keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
#Hello,
#   Thanks to all who responded to my questions by post and email
#about downloading .270 rounds. The general consensus was that it
#*should* be safe if one were to use a slow to medium burn rate
#powder and cast bullets which work well at the lower velocities.

NO!!!!   Use faster powder recipe if you want to download.

A recent warning I read for .44 mag. loads was to not download
using slow powders like H-110 & WW296 below 90% of the standard
loading.  

BDW

keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) (06/21/91)

Hello again,
   I stand corrected everyone. After my original post concerning 
information on a safe way to download centerfire rifle rounds I 
posted a follow-up which stated that it was safe to do so with
slow to medium powders and using cast bullets. This is incorrect.
  After rereading the information I received the safe way to do 
this is with a FAST powder and using cast bullets which are not 
as likely to stick in the barrel as jacketed ones. Thanks again 
everyone for all the responses and for being so alert!


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bressler@uunet.UU.NET (Rick Bressler) (06/22/91)

In article <35757@mimsy.umd.edu> keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
#Hello,
#   Thanks to all who responded to my questions by post and email
#about downloading .270 rounds. The general consensus was that it
#*should* be safe if one were to use a slow to medium burn rate
#powder and cast bullets which work well at the lower velocities.

NO, use a faster powder!  (There is probably going to be a bunch of these
posts, but hey, it's a safety issue and I hope at least one of us gets to 
the posters site soon).

I've used IMR4227 for reduced rifle loads before, with excellent results.  
I don't have my manuals here, but you might see if you can find a load 
based on that powder for your rifle. 

Rick.