robinson@star.enet.dec.com (04/03/91)
In the May '91 issue of Amiga World "GO AMIGA" advertises: "Deskjet Full Color Print full color on your HP Deskjet printer! Inkmun Full Color Kit.......$34.95" Does anyone know about this? How does it work and what software would I need to take advantage of it? I'm considering a used Paintjet for around $600 and wonder how this new (?) development affects that consideration. thanks, Dave Robinson robinson@star.enet.dec.com
xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) (04/04/91)
In article <21698@shlump.nac.dec.com>, robinson@star.enet.dec.com writes: > >In the May '91 issue of Amiga World "GO AMIGA" advertises: > > "Deskjet Full Color > > Print full color on your HP Deskjet printer! > Inkmun Full Color Kit.......$34.95" > >Does anyone know about this? How does it work and what >software would I need to take advantage of it? >I'm considering a used Paintjet for around $600 and wonder >how this new (?) development affects that consideration. It isn't much of a big deal. It is just a kit that allows you to clean empty DeskJet ink cartridges and refill them with colored ink. The only program that I know of that will allow you to use these colored inks is PageStream. You can't use the Preferences printer, for instance, because you have to produce a color seperated output; IE: feed the paper back in three times, once for each color. This will in no way obsolete the PaintJet, because the PaintJet will still produce results that are just as good (if not better) with a single printing of the page. If you only want to produce a very occasional colored printout, look at this kit. If you are going to be printing a lot of color printouts, I recommend a true color printer like the PaintJet. > >thanks, > >Dave Robinson >robinson@star.enet.dec.com -MB- ---------------------------------------------------------- / Marc Barrett | BITNET: XGR39@ISUVAX.BITNET / / ISU COM S Student | Internet: XGR39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU / ----------------------------------------------------------
jheald@hydra.unm.edu (Jerry Heald ) (04/05/91)
Seems like any wordprocessor could be used with the Inkum if you just wanted your letter to be printed in all one color. PageStream is one program that will produce 4 color separations for printing but there are other desktip publishing packages that will do this also. One possible advantage is the DeskJet 500 is advertised as a 300 dpi printer vs 180 dpi for the PaintJet. This resolution advantage may be negated by paper positioning error in the 2nd and 3rd pass for the other colors. -- Jerry Heald (505) 836-8640 (H) General Electric Co. Albuquerque, New Mexico Internet: jheald@hydra.unm.edu GEnie: J.HEALD
fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (04/05/91)
> > > In the May '91 issue of Amiga World "GO AMIGA" advertises: > > "Deskjet Full Color > > Print full color on your HP Deskjet printer! > Inkmun Full Color Kit.......$34.95" > > Does anyone know about this? How does it work and what > software would I need to take advantage of it? > I'm considering a used Paintjet for around $600 and wonder > how this new (?) development affects that consideration. > > thanks, > > Dave Robinson > robinson@star.enet.dec.com > It's been known for quite a while that Deskjet cartridges can be reinked (in brief, you use a chef's syringe and Sheaffer Jet Black Skrip ink). This kit provides red, yellow, and blue inks for you to use in used DJ cartridges, and then you can use something like Professional Page or Pagestream, which do IFF color separation, to print it out. It's a laborious process, but you do get pretty nice results... --Rick Wrigley fhwri@conncoll.bitnet ~~~---second-hand smoke is THEFT---~~~
markg@amix.commodore.com (Mark Gardner) (04/05/91)
xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) writes: <message that THIS was a reply to deleted> > > It isn't much of a big deal. It is just a kit that allows you to > clean empty DeskJet ink cartridges and refill them with colored ink. > The only program that I know of that will allow you to use these > colored inks is PageStream. You can't use the Preferences printer, > for instance, because you have to produce a color seperated output; > IE: feed the paper back in three times, once for each color. > > This will in no way obsolete the PaintJet, because the PaintJet > will still produce results that are just as good (if not better) with > a single printing of the page. If you only want to produce a very > occasional colored printout, look at this kit. If you are going to > be printing a lot of color printouts, I recommend a true color printer > like the PaintJet. > Thing about the DeskJet - it can do 300dpi (dots per inch) at its highest print density. The PaintJet can only do 180dpi. So, you'd actually be getting BETTER resolution as well as color with this DeskJet/Inkmun combo. Mind you, the colors wouldn't be dithered so much as layered upon each other, which may cause discrepancies between screen and printer (or rather, more discrepancies than what you ALREADY get...). Also, doesn't Professional Page by Gold Disk do color separations? Not that PageStream isn't perfectly suitable - I use it on both a DeskJet and PaintJet and love it. (No InkMun, though.) -MG "Slowly understanding the fun and frustrations of Amiga DTP." > > -MB- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > / Marc Barrett | BITNET: XGR39@ISUVAX.BITNET / > / ISU COM S Student | Internet: XGR39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU / > ---------------------------------------------------------- -- "Reversing entropy is every- | Mark J. Gardner -- "Accidental Angel" ------ body's business!" ------|------------------------------------------ US Snail: 1403 Ponds Edge Road | INET: undrground!markg@amix.commodore.com West Chester, PA 19382 | UUCP: uunet!cbmvax!amix!undrground!markg Tel: 215/696-8035 | DOMAIN: markg@undrground.uucp
mikep@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Powell) (04/05/91)
Not sure about this... but it PROBABLY means 3 different ink cartridges... and somehow dithering the image together in the Deskjet using three diferent passes.... or worse, that it only provides different color inks, and it's up to you on how to get them on to the page in a meaningful manner. -Mike-
hamilton@intersil.uucp (04/05/91)
In article <1991Apr3.193211.28722@news.iastate.edu>, xgr39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) writes: > In article <21698@shlump.nac.dec.com>, robinson@star.enet.dec.com writes: >> >>In the May '91 issue of Amiga World "GO AMIGA" advertises: >> >> "Deskjet Full Color >> >> Print full color on your HP Deskjet printer! >> Inkmun Full Color Kit.......$34.95" > It isn't much of a big deal. It is just a kit that allows you to > clean empty DeskJet ink cartridges and refill them with colored ink. > The only program that I know of that will allow you to use these > colored inks is PageStream. You can't use the Preferences printer, > for instance, because you have to produce a color seperated output; > IE: feed the paper back in three times, once for each color. How well does this actually work? I don't think the registration on my DeskJet is good enough to get anything but a colored blur out of this. If it's actually OK, I might give it a try... -- Fred Hamilton "Unlike most of you, Harris Semiconductor I am not a nut..." Santa Clara, CA -Homer Simpson
johnm@spudge.UUCP (John Munsch) (04/06/91)
In article <49822@nigel.ee.udel.edu> fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu writes: >It's been known for quite a while that Deskjet cartridges can be reinked (in >brief, you use a chef's syringe and Sheaffer Jet Black Skrip ink). This kit >provides red, yellow, and blue inks for you to use in used DJ cartridges, >and then you can use something like Professional Page or Pagestream, which >do IFF color separation, to print it out. It's a laborious process, but you >do get pretty nice results... > --Rick Wrigley > fhwri@conncoll.bitnet > ~~~---second-hand smoke is THEFT---~~~ I've got a few questions I hope someone can answer about this process: 1. Isn't getting good print registration between the three passes almost impossible? 2. Does the ink come prefilled into cartridges so that you can just snap one out and the next one in, or do I need to start saving empties? 3. How much ink is provided. Is it as much as is in a standard cartridge? John Munsch "Waiting for AmigaDos 2.0 with baited breath."
lemiller@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Lynne Miller) (04/09/91)
speaking of the paintjet (which i love dearly), a friend of mine who is in the 'computer biz' as they say, recently went to one of those industry shows where everyone and their shadow was showing off new toys.. hp was there, demoing the new colour inks.. he brought home 2 printed pages and i was rather stunned at the differences.. these inks look like something from the offset industry. i have called around and it seems no on knows anything about them.. has anyone found a supplier yet? from what i understand the new inks are clearly marked on the box as new and improved, and the cost is the same as the old inks. i want i want iwant iwant..... lemiller@hobbes.catt.ncsu.edu
fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (04/09/91)
> I've got a few questions I hope someone can answer about this process: > > 1. Isn't getting good print registration between the three passes almost > impossible? The Deskjet has pretty good paper handling, all things considered. I think it would work. > 2. Does the ink come prefilled into cartridges so that you can just snap > one out and the next one in, or do I need to start saving empties? Nope, you have to save empties. Getting all the black ink out of them is time-consuming, as well, but it can be done (or at least MOST of the black ink...) > 3. How much ink is provided. Is it as much as is in a standard cartridge? It takes about 15 ml to fill a cartridge, or about 0.5 oz. A couple years back, a fellow in INFO wrote about how he had used food coloring in his Xerox 4020 with great results. Might be worth a try... > > John Munsch > "Waiting for AmigaDos 2.0 with baited breath." Me too..., but my breath is BATED... --Rick Wrigley fhwri@conncoll.bitnet ~~~---second-hand smoke is THEFT---~~~
vincelee@tornado.Berkeley.EDU (Vincent H. Lee) (04/15/91)
In article <21698@shlump.nac.dec.com> robinson@star.enet.dec.com writes: > >In the May '91 issue of Amiga World "GO AMIGA" advertises: > > "Deskjet Full Color > > Print full color on your HP Deskjet printer! > Inkmun Full Color Kit.......$34.95" > >Does anyone know about this? How does it work and what >software would I need to take advantage of it? >I'm considering a used Paintjet for around $600 and wonder >how this new (?) development affects that consideration. > >thanks, > >Dave Robinson >robinson@star.enet.dec.com I've seen the output from Inkmun inks. The kit is pretty neat, but it is NO SUBSTITUTE for a paintjet. If you look at the sample output they give, all their text uses a primary ink color--no color mixing is done. If you look at some of the printed pictures, you can see why: The registration is horrible. Anyone with a deskjet knows how poor the paper mechanism is. There's no way it can be repeatable enough to do general-purpose color printing. BTW, the inkmun inks work horribly as replacement ink for a paintjet. It's viscosity seems to be wrong or something, as it prints erratically. -Vince