chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) (04/10/91)
Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very large
ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that are 1728 by
about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. But now I need a
paint program that's capable of editing such a large beast.
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In article <chris.2310@genly.UUCP> chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes: > >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very large >ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that are 1728 by >about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. But now I need a >paint program that's capable of editing such a large beast. > > * * * > \|/ > * _______ --O-- > ____/ KC1VP \____ * /|\ > * ______/ (203) 389-8680 \______ > ______/ Eggplant Software Tools \________ > ______/ 95 Fountain Terr., New Haven, CT, USA, 06515 \_______ >/ Chris Hind Genly chris@genly.uucp uunet!hsi!genly!chris \ >---------------------------------------------------------------- Deluxe PhotoLab will read in superbitmaps limited only by the amount of fast ram you have. It handles everything from lo-res 1 bit-plane up to HAM interlace. Check it out. It's been advertised as Free with the purchace of Deluxe Video. Don't let that fact fool you. It's a neat paint program with plenty of features. I only wish EA would continue with it and add more features. BTW, Deluxe PhotoLab comes with 2 other programs. Posters, to make multipage posters from postage stamp size to big enough to cover your living room wall and Colors, an image processor program. For strictly HAM, I believe Digi-Paint will do 1008x1008, but I could be wrong.
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/11/91)
rcj2@cbnewsd.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes: > In article <chris.2310@genly.UUCP> chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes > > > >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very larg > >ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that are 1728 by > >about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. But now I need a > >paint program that's capable of editing such a large beast. > > Deluxe PhotoLab will read in superbitmaps limited only > by the amount of fast ram you have. It handles everything > from lo-res 1 bit-plane up to HAM interlace. > > For strictly HAM, I believe Digi-Paint will do > 1008x1008, but I could be wrong. Dpaint III will load in bitmaps limited only by RAM also I believe. I know I loaded in a 2048X2048 Hi-res image and had no problems editing it. -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) (04/11/91)
In article <chris.2310@genly.UUCP- chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes:
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-Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very large
-ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that are 1728 by
-about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. But now I need a
-paint program that's capable of editing such a large beast.
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I beleive that the name of the program is ExpressPaint or something
like it. It exists a program that can use huge bitmap's, anyway.patrick_meloy@outbound.wimsey.bc.ca (Patrick Meloy) (04/13/91)
>-Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very large >-ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that are 1728 by >-about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. But now I need a >-paint program that's capable of editing such a large beast. Deluxe Photolab can take humongous bitmaps. Express paint does not have this feature as far as I know.. --------------------------------------- | patrick_meloy@outbound.wimsey.bc.ca | | 'The Outbound' BBS Vancouver BC | ---------------------------------------
chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) (04/13/91)
>Chris Genly: > >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very >large ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that >are 1728 by about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. >But now I need a paint program that's capable of editing such a large >beast. > > >Ray Jender: > >Deluxe PhotoLab will read in superbitmaps limited only >by the amount of fast ram you have. It handles everything >from lo-res 1 bit-plane up to HAM interlace. > >For strictly HAM, I believe Digi-Paint will do >1008x1008, but I could be wrong. > > >Bob Lindabury: > >Dpaint III will load in bitmaps limited only by RAM also I believe. >I know I loaded in a 2048X2048 Hi-res image and had no problems >editing it. Thanks for all the replies. I called EA about Deluxe Paint III. They said the latest rev is 3.25. They also said the largest bitmap it can handle is 1008x1024. I received mail about Express Paint. The sender kindly sent me the address and phone number of the company that wrote it, Professional Automation Resources. Their phone has been disconnected. I assume they are out of business. I called several mail order houses about Deluxe Photo lab. None of them carry it any longer. It appears Deluxe Photo lab is no longer distributed. * * * \|/ * _______ --O-- ____/ KC1VP \____ * /|\ * ______/ (203) 389-8680 \______ ______/ Eggplant Software Tools \________ ______/ 95 Fountain Terr., New Haven, CT, USA, 06515 \_______ / Chris Hind Genly chris@genly.uucp uunet!hsi!genly!chris \ ----------------------------------------------------------------
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/13/91)
chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes: > >Chris Genly: > > > >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very > >large ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that > >are 1728 by about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. > >But now I need a paint program that's capable of editing such a large > >beast. > > > > > >Ray Jender: > > > >Deluxe PhotoLab will read in superbitmaps limited only > >by the amount of fast ram you have. It handles everything > >from lo-res 1 bit-plane up to HAM interlace. > > > >For strictly HAM, I believe Digi-Paint will do > >1008x1008, but I could be wrong. > > > > > >Bob Lindabury: > > > >Dpaint III will load in bitmaps limited only by RAM also I believe. > >I know I loaded in a 2048X2048 Hi-res image and had no problems > >editing it. > > Thanks for all the replies. > > I called EA about Deluxe Paint III. They said the latest rev is 3.25. They > also said the largest bitmap it can handle is 1008x1024. Ah...I beg to differ with the EA rep and the above. I am right now *IN* Dpaint III and have changed my page size to 2048x2048 without a problem. This is a *scrolling* bitmap. You CAN'T see the whole thing at once on the screen unless you do a "show page" command but it is still there. I have worked on SEVERAL bitmaps this large and in fact used them for some video productions. I had some large spread sheets that I had to convert for video use so I used a Times font and entered in the columns and rows on a 2048x2048 size page (in 2 color mode). We then had a programmer friend of ours write a small program to read in the bitmap and scroll it around (double-buffered of course) controllable via a joystick so that we could interactivly move *smoothly* to the correct information as the narration droned on. It IS possible to have even larger bitmaps I believe. I have yet to try anything larger...hold on a sec...Ok..I just tried a 4000X2000 page size and the only reason it wouldn't give it to me is because I didn't have enough ram. I got a requestor that said, "Not enough RAM for requested page size". This indicates to me that if you had more ram than I have (which is 5 megs total) you can have probably up to 8k by 8k pages...maybe someone knows exactly what the limit is but I haven't had a need to go larger than 2048x2048. > I received mail about Express Paint. The sender kindly sent me the address > and phone number of the company that wrote it, Professional Automation > Resources. Their phone has been disconnected. I assume they are out of > business. > > I called several mail order houses about Deluxe Photo lab. None of them > carry it any longer. It appears Deluxe Photo lab is no longer distributed. I guess that leaves only one choice..good 'ol Dpaint III which not even the EA reps know the capabilities of...ARGH! -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
briang@sdd.hp.com (Brian Gragg) (04/14/91)
In article <L2gc119w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes: > >> >Chris Genly: >> > >> >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very >> >large ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that >> >are 1728 by about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. >> >But now I need a paint program that's capable of editing such a large >> >beast. >> > >> > >> > >> >Bob Lindabury: >> > >> >Dpaint III will load in bitmaps limited only by RAM also I believe. >> >I know I loaded in a 2048X2048 Hi-res image and had no problems >> >editing it. >> >> >> I called EA about Deluxe Paint III. They said the latest rev is 3.25. They >> also said the largest bitmap it can handle is 1008x1024. > >Ah...I beg to differ with the EA rep and the above. I am right now >*IN* Dpaint III and have changed my page size to 2048x2048 without a >problem. This is a *scrolling* bitmap. You CAN'T see the whole >thing at once on the screen unless you do a "show page" command but >it is still there. I have worked on SEVERAL bitmaps this large and I just loaded up Deluxe Paint III version 3.01 and it allowed me to enter the numbers for a 2000x2000 or 4000x4000 page size, but if I re-enter the page size requester I find the values have been set to 1008x1024. Looks to me like DPIII is not letting me use a larger bitmap. I've been unable to load bitmaps (2 color, lo-res) larger than 1008x1024 in the past. My version seems to work like the EA rep said. Brian. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Gragg briang@sdd.hp.com hp-sdd!briang uunet!ucsd!hp-sdd!briang -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/14/91)
briang@sdd.hp.com (Brian Gragg) writes: > >> I called EA about Deluxe Paint III. They said the latest rev is 3.25. Th > >> also said the largest bitmap it can handle is 1008x1024. > > > >Ah...I beg to differ with the EA rep and the above. I am right now > >*IN* Dpaint III and have changed my page size to 2048x2048 without a > >problem. This is a *scrolling* bitmap. You CAN'T see the whole > >thing at once on the screen unless you do a "show page" command but > >it is still there. I have worked on SEVERAL bitmaps this large and > > I just loaded up Deluxe Paint III version 3.01 and it allowed me to enter > the numbers for a 2000x2000 or 4000x4000 page size, but if I re-enter the > page size requester I find the values have been set to 1008x1024. Looks to > me like DPIII is not letting me use a larger bitmap. I've been unable to > load bitmaps (2 color, lo-res) larger than 1008x1024 in the past. My > version seems to work like the EA rep said. > > Brian. Not to be a bore or anything but if you look at the first line the first author states that the *latest* version of DpaintIII is 3.25. You have a *very* old version and it does NOT allow larger bitmaps than 1008x1024. You MUST have version 3.25. Read my lips VER 3.25. I guess alot of people only read between the lines. <grin> -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
ewilts@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (Ed Wilts) (04/15/91)
In article <1991Apr13.235958.8558@sdd.hp.com>, briang@sdd.hp.com (Brian Gragg) writes: > In article <L2gc119w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >>chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes: >> >>> >Chris Genly: >>> > >>> >Does anyone know of a paint program which is capable of reading in very >>> >large ilbm files? I have files from the output of a fax program that >>> >are 1728 by about 1100 pixels. I can convert them into an ilbm file. >>> >But now I need a paint program that's capable of editing such a large >>> >beast. Look at ExpressPaint. It will have no problems working on a file that "small". I've heard of a user editing a pixel image of a laser output (8.5x11 at 300 dpi). The author (Dr. Stephen Vermeulen) is on the net for detailed questions: (svermeulen@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA). Disclaimer: I know the author but have no financial association with his products. -- .../Ed Preferrred: Ed.Wilts@BSC.Galaxy.BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA Ed Wilts Alternate: EdWilts@BCSC02.BITNET (604) 389-3430 B.C. Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) (04/15/91)
>> I called EA about Deluxe Paint III. They said the latest rev is 3.25. They >> also said the largest bitmap it can handle is 1008x1024. > >Ah...I beg to differ with the EA rep and the above. I am right now >*IN* Dpaint III and have changed my page size to 2048x2048 without a >problem. >... >I guess that leaves only one choice..good 'ol Dpaint III which not >even the EA reps know the capabilities of...ARGH! > >-- Bob I believe you. The supporting text was very helpful. I wasn't very happy with EA's handling of my questions. They transferred me to their dpaint expert. He didn't seem so expert to me though. On to my next question. I have tried dpaint version 3.01 and it crashes the Amiga. What rev of dpaint are you using? I was intending to ask EA what rev started handling large bitmaps. But since their answer was that it couldn't, I didn't ask. * * * \|/ * _______ --O-- ____/ KC1VP \____ * /|\ * ______/ (203) 389-8680 \______ ______/ Eggplant Software Tools \________ ______/ 95 Fountain Terr., New Haven, CT, USA, 06515 \_______ / Chris Hind Genly chris@genly.uucp uunet!hsi!genly!chris \ ----------------------------------------------------------------
jerry@truevision.com (Jerry Thompson) (04/19/91)
In article <L2gc119w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >It IS possible to have even larger bitmaps I believe. I have yet to >try anything larger...hold on a sec...Ok..I just tried a 4000X2000 >page size and the only reason it wouldn't give it to me is because I >didn't have enough ram. I got a requestor that said, "Not enough RAM >for requested page size". This indicates to me that if you had more >ram than I have (which is 5 megs total) you can have probably up to >8k by 8k pages...maybe someone knows exactly what the limit is but I >haven't had a need to go larger than 2048x2048. > >I guess that leaves only one choice..good 'ol Dpaint III which not >even the EA reps know the capabilities of...ARGH! Well, shut my mouth and fill it full of chitlins! I just tried 2Kx2K in 8 colors and it worked. I was also able to get 3000x3000 in b/w. Takes a while to scroll around bitmaps that big, but this will be great for DTP work! Cool! -- Jerry Thompson | // checks ___________ | "I'm into S&M, I loved the peace and solitude | \\ // and | | | | Sarcasm and so much, I invited my friends. | \X/ balances /_\ | /_\ | Mass Sarcasm."
chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) (04/21/91)
In article <1991Apr19.145314.955@truevision.com> jerry@truevision.com (Jerry Thompson) writes: >In article <L2gc119w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >>It IS possible to have even larger bitmaps I believe. I have yet to >>try anything larger...hold on a sec...Ok..I just tried a 4000X2000 >>page size and the only reason it wouldn't give it to me is because I >>didn't have enough ram. I got a requestor that said, "Not enough RAM >>for requested page size". This indicates to me that if you had more >>ram than I have (which is 5 megs total) you can have probably up to >>8k by 8k pages...maybe someone knows exactly what the limit is but I >>haven't had a need to go larger than 2048x2048. >> >>I guess that leaves only one choice..good 'ol Dpaint III which not >>even the EA reps know the capabilities of...ARGH! > >Well, shut my mouth and fill it full of chitlins! I just tried 2Kx2K in 8 >colors and it worked. I was also able to get 3000x3000 in b/w. Takes a while >to scroll around bitmaps that big, but this will be great for DTP work! Cool! I bought dpaint 3.25 on the basis of the replies to my question on the net. Not on the basis of the answers I got from EA. DPAINT is just what I wanted. I'm able to edit my fax files just fine. Thanks very much for the help. * * * \|/ * _______ --O-- ____/ KC1VP \____ * /|\ * ______/ (203) 389-8680 \______ ______/ Eggplant Software Tools \________ ______/ 95 Fountain Terr., New Haven, CT, USA, 06515 \_______ / Chris Hind Genly chris@genly.uucp uunet!hsi!genly!chris \ ----------------------------------------------------------------
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/21/91)
chris@genly.UUCP (Chris Hind Genly) writes: > I bought dpaint 3.25 on the basis of the replies to my question on the net. > Not on the basis of the answers I got from EA. DPAINT is just what I > wanted. I'm able to edit my fax files just fine. Thanks very much for > the help. Happy to be of service. I just can't believe these people (EA) didn't know that Dpaint could do large bitmaps. It's great to know there is a source here for *good* information, eh? -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
rcj2@cbnewsd.att.com (ray.c.jender) (04/23/91)
In article <1991Apr14.122341.7590@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca> ewilts@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (Ed Wilts) writes: > >Look at ExpressPaint. It will have no problems working on a file that "small". >I've heard of a user editing a pixel image of a laser output (8.5x11 at 300 >dpi). The author (Dr. Stephen Vermeulen) is on the net for detailed questions: >(svermeulen@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA). > >Disclaimer: I know the author but have no financial association with his >products. >-- > .../Ed Preferrred: Ed.Wilts@BSC.Galaxy.BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA >Ed Wilts Alternate: EdWilts@BCSC02.BITNET (604) 389-3430 >B.C. Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8 Since the author is on the net, please tell us if there are any plans on enhancing or upgrading ExpressPaint 3.0. I really like the program.