njg2@po.CWRU.Edu (J. Norell Guttman) (04/15/91)
I can not believe it... I was looking through a macworld [may you forgive me for my sins] and I noticed they had a thing on Toasters. AHAH! I cried prematurely ... even the Mac world realizes that the Amiga is vastly superior and cheaper but to my utter dismay I realize something was greatly amiss! MAC world had the chutzpah to write that the toaster is available for the MAC!!!!!!!!!!! Help me! I am about to suffer from a nervous breakdown! AMIGA RULEZ J.Norell Guttman njg2@po.cwru.edu -- =============================================================================== Ugh.... My .sig file has been crushed by a 1600 lbs. Case chic!!! It will soon be fixed!
amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid) (04/15/91)
Ah..but yes the Toaster *is* available for the Mac..when you buy the "Toaster Package" it comes with a toaster inside an Amiga 2000HD..and they throw in a connector cable so you can export your images from the Mac directly (ahem) to the Toaster (uh..by way of..an Amiga!!)..chuckle chuckle.. -Mike
galetti@uservx.afwl.af.mil (04/15/91)
In article <41281@cup.portal.com>, amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid) writes: > Ah..but yes the Toaster *is* available for the Mac..when you buy the "Toaster > Package" it comes with a toaster inside an Amiga 2000HD..and they throw in > a connector cable so you can export your images from the Mac directly (ahem) > to the Toaster (uh..by way of..an Amiga!!)..chuckle chuckle.. > Seriously? Is this for real? You mean to tell me that a toaster installed in an A2000HD is considered an available peripheral for the Mac? You've got to be SH*TTING me! > -Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ / Ralph Galetti Internet: galetti@uservx.afwl.af.mil \ | PL/LITT Interests: computers, music, computers | | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-6008 and music, golf, sleep. | \__"No, they couldn't actually prove that it was HIS vomit" - Nigel Tufnel__/
rcj2@cbnewsd.att.com (ray.c.jender) (04/15/91)
In article <1991Apr14.224051.369@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> njg2@po.CWRU.Edu (J. Norell Guttman) writes: > > I can not believe it... I was looking through a macworld [may you >forgive me for my sins] and I noticed they had a thing on Toasters. AHAH! >I cried prematurely ... even the Mac world realizes that the Amiga is >vastly superior and cheaper but to my utter dismay I realize something was >greatly amiss! MAC world had the chutzpah to write that the toaster is >available for the MAC!!!!!!!!!!! > Help me! I am about to suffer from a nervous breakdown! > > AMIGA RULEZ > > J.Norell Guttman > njg2@po.cwru.edu ANY computer can use a Toaster, as long as you buy an Amiga with it!!! So, don't worry. We could only hope that the Mac world would increase Amiga sales dramatically due to the Toaster. Then, we can just sit back and wait for all the 3rd party software to hit the streets.
amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid) (04/16/91)
I doubt anyone at Apple considers it an "official" Mac peripheral but.. New Tek showed up at Mac World exhibition in San Francisco with the toaster in the set-up I described..Sculley asked New Tek "so when you gonna come out with the Mac version?"..to which New Tek replied never.. evidently Sculley was none too pleased..but I hear New Tek is considering building a stand-alone version of the toaster..without an amiga or any computer sometime in the future..
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr15.102050.21859@uservx.afwl.af.mil> galetti@uservx.afwl.af.mil writes: >In article <41281@cup.portal.com>, amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid) writes: >>Ah..but yes the Toaster *is* available for the Mac..when you buy the "Toaster >>Package" it comes with a toaster inside an Amiga 2000HD..and they throw in >>a connector cable so you can export your images from the Mac directly (ahem) >>to the Toaster (uh..by way of..an Amiga!!)..chuckle chuckle.. >Seriously? Is this for real? You mean to tell me that a toaster installed in >an A2000HD is considered an available peripheral for the Mac? You've got to >be SH*TTING me! Yes, it is being marketed this way for the Mac and IBM clones. But there is something else. Tim Jenison (NewTek president) was recently quoted to say that their goal was to produce a stand-alone Toaster for under $1000. They plan on achieving this end by incorporating pieces of the Amiga into the new "black box" toaster. I have heard they have already done some negotiations with Commodore to create this product. %~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~% % ` ' Mark Thompson CONCURRENT COMPUTER % % --==* RADIANT *==-- mark@westford.ccur.com Principal Graphics % % ' Image ` ...!uunet!masscomp!mark Hardware Architect % % Productions (508)392-2480 (603)424-1829 & General Nuisance % % % ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato) (04/18/91)
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: >Yes, it is being marketed this way for the Mac and IBM clones. But there is >something else. Tim Jenison (NewTek president) was recently quoted to say >that their goal was to produce a stand-alone Toaster for under $1000. They >plan on achieving this end by incorporating pieces of the Amiga into the >new "black box" toaster. I have heard they have already done some negotiations >with Commodore to create this product. Yes, I'm sure they must be working on such a thing but it is unlikely that Jenison would quote such a low price especially if it is directed to the Mac world! If there is any licensing of technology involved there is no way it would be done for $1,000. If you were a Mac or PC user would you buy one for, let's say, $3,000 (a more likely price) if you knew that they were planning to drop the price to $1,000? It doesn't seem very shrewd to expose such plans even if they are indeed true. PC Magazine also suggested using the Amiga-Toaster as a "peripheral" to a PC! (I don't dispute that you read the quote about the $1000. I do question the accuracy of the original quote!) -- Jimmy Liberato liberato@dri.com ...uunet!drivax!liberato
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) (04/18/91)
liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato) writes: >mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: >> Tim Jenison (NewTek president) was recently quoted to say >>that their goal was to produce a stand-alone Toaster for under $1000. They >Yes, [ but not that cheap ] NewTek just announced the "stand alone" Toaster at NAB. It sells for $4000 (give or take $1-5), and is "compatible" with all brands of computers. Oh, the $4000 also includes an A2000 with the "CBM" and "Amiga" logos removed. Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/19/91)
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: >>> Tim Jenison (NewTek president) was recently quoted to say >>>that their goal was to produce a stand-alone Toaster for under $1000. They >>Yes, [ but not that cheap ] >NewTek just announced the "stand alone" Toaster at NAB. It sells for >$4000 (give or take $1-5), and is "compatible" with all brands of >computers. >Oh, the $4000 also includes an A2000 with the "CBM" and "Amiga" logos >removed. >Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) >-- Hmm.. perhaps i should alter the Topic.. But ah.. What's these ad's i've see for hooking the toster to a VCR? (General info would be ok) Ad what's the "real" info on the toster 3d ray tracing ability I've used it, it's fast, but i hear it cheats. Whe the toster comming out for the 500.. :^) How about a Tosterjr! I just wana do the "star-trek" fades and ray-trace.. (And show upo these mac-fanatica i know) Toster - "A mega Cool neat thing to add to ya 2000" Squids Dictionary. -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
mechrw@tnessd.sbc.com (Robert Wallace (214+464-6552)) (04/19/91)
In article <1991Apr18.145736.10717@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: > >Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) >-- >Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 >blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g >DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200 More than $1000... $1400 for the Toaster has a bit of NewTek profit built into it. Still, more power to 'em. Soak the Macstards. Anybody who'd pay as much as they do to run Sculpt/Animate on their Mac (when they could buy _both_ an Amiga and Sculpt/Animate for less) has it coming. Just my opinion, of course. Robert Wallace
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/20/91)
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: > Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), > that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) You don't know what's in it so you can't say that. There is probably some sort of hard drive or something for storage in there. Who knows? So what if they are making $1000 profit. This is America after all..what do you expect? You think they are going to sell them at a break even price? Ha! And no profit is pure. -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (04/20/91)
In article <yorkw.671997155@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: >What's these ad's i've see for hooking the toster to a VCR? What a grammatical nightmare. Do actually talk like this or do you just have bad quality control on your typing. For input, the Toaster requires stable synch and if multiple inputs are used, they must be synchronized. This means acceptable inputs are cameras, video disc players, and time base corrected vcrs. Multiple inputs require genlocking for cameras or synchronizers for recorded video. Any NTSC composite vcr can be used on the output, but doing animation with Lightwave will require single frame recording capability. >Ad what's the "real" info on the toster 3d ray tracing ability >I've used it, it's fast, but i hear it cheats. Lightwave is NOT a ray-tracer. It is one of the most capable 3D renderers available on any personal computer. What do you mean by "it cheats"? Please be more specific. What "real" info are you looking for? %~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~% % ` ' Mark Thompson CONCURRENT COMPUTER % % --==* RADIANT *==-- mark@westford.ccur.com Principal Graphics % % ' Image ` ...!uunet!masscomp!mark Hardware Architect % % Productions (508)392-2480 (603)424-1829 & General Nuisance % % % ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (James Sibley) (04/20/91)
In article <0gyN19w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: > >> Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >> that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) > > >So what if they are making $1000 profit. This is America after >all..what do you expect? You think they are going to sell them at a >break even price? Ha! And no profit is pure. And besides, Mac users are used to paying inflated prices for what they buy. So, who's the wiser?? NewTek. A mainly Amiga related company. No harm done to the Amiga community by taking some extra cash out of Mac users pockets. I do think it is a bad idea for Commodore to give in so easily to scrapping the Amiga for parts.. :^} -- James Sibley Nous Sommes Du Soleil Seeking the truth about lemon curry. We Are Of The Sun jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu We Can See Amiga: the only true computer. -YES-
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) (04/20/91)
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: >> Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >> that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) >You don't know what's in it so you can't say that. There is probably >some sort of hard drive or something for storage in there. Who knows? You're right, that's why the WAG (Wild Ass Guess) and :-) are up there. >So what if they are making $1000 profit. This is America after >all..what do you expect? You think they are going to sell them at a >break even price? Ha! And no profit is pure. You misunderstand, I have nothing at all against NewTek making an extra grand or so on every "stand-alone" toaster. In fact, pricing the thing at ~$1000 above the _retail_ price of the components seems like a great idea. If an Amiga-only Toaster for $1400 is too good to be true, maybe a $4000 stand-alone Toaster for $4000 will be taken seriously. Nothing like a higher price to command respect! Just call the higher price a stupidity tax. :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) (04/20/91)
jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (James Sibley) writes: > And besides, Mac users are used to paying inflated prices for what they buy. >So, who's the wiser?? NewTek. A mainly Amiga related company. No harm done >to the Amiga community by taking some extra cash out of Mac users pockets. I >do think it is a bad idea for Commodore to give in so easily to scrapping the >Amiga for parts.. :^} Why is OEM'ing the Amiga a bad idea? CBM is actively purusing OEM applications of the Amiga. While they lose the name identification, they can sell a lot more Amigas that may never have been sold if not for the OEM arrangement. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200
frank@morpheus.UUCP (Frank McPherson) (04/21/91)
In article <1991Apr19.214915.1687@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (James Sibley) writes: >> >>> Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >>> that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) > > And besides, Mac users are used to paying inflated prices for what they buy. >So, who's the wiser?? NewTek. A mainly Amiga related company. No harm done >to the Amiga community by taking some extra cash out of Mac users pockets. I >do think it is a bad idea for Commodore to give in so easily to scrapping the >Amiga for parts.. :^} > >-- > James Sibley Nous Sommes Du Soleil -- I tend to agree with the idea that Newtek is simply acting as a VAR, providing a service for customers who don't want to worry about implementation; they just want a tool to do the job. It's not as if NewTek is breaking new ground by doing this; there is, in some cases, more of a market for an integrated solution than there is for a computer setup which the customer must peice together. It's nicer to buy it all in one place. -- Frank McPherson INTERNET : emcphers@fox.cs.vt.edu -- -- AmigaUUCP : uunet!vtserf!morpheus!frank --
jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (James Sibley) (04/21/91)
In article <1991Apr20.143544.27691@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: >Why is OEM'ing the Amiga a bad idea? CBM is actively purusing OEM >applications of the Amiga. While they lose the name identification, they >can sell a lot more Amigas that may never have been sold if not for the >OEM arrangement. >-- >Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 >blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g >DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200 Losing name identification is probably more detrimental to Commodore than any other company. What good is selling a million Amigas if nobody knows what an Amiga is?? And besides, it's a matter of pride. ;^} -- James Sibley Nous Sommes Du Soleil Seeking the truth about lemon curry. We Are Of The Sun jsibley@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu We Can See Amiga: the only true computer. -YES-
sft@cbnewsc.att.com (scott.thompson) (04/23/91)
In article <61922@masscomp.westford.ccur.com> mark@calvin.westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: ]In article <yorkw.671997155@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: ]>What's these ad's i've see for hooking the toster to a VCR? ] ]What a grammatical nightmare. Do actually talk like this or do you just ^ look whos talking Mr. potato head. :-) I couldn't resist bro! -- Scott Thompson, 45261, (IH 6W-207), AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, Il. 60566 VOICE: (708)-979-2237 UUCP: ...!att!ihlpa!sft ARPA: sft@ihlpa.att.com
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/23/91)
sft@cbnewsc.att.com (scott.thompson) writes: >In article <61922@masscomp.westford.ccur.com> mark@calvin.westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: >]In article <yorkw.671997155@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: >]>What's these ad's i've see for hooking the toster to a VCR? >] >]What a grammatical nightmare. Do actually talk like this or do you just > ^ look whos talking Mr. potato head. :-) Actyally i just type about 400+ WPM, so by the time i even see what i typed i've gone on to the next message.. :^) Been reading a lot of OLD books too, (OLD english is weird with lots of ') Well i'm allready on the next message... C-ya. . Spell checkers are reducing the art of writing to a mere TASK!. k -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King) (04/24/91)
In article <1991Apr20.143022.27618@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: >bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: > >>> Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >>> that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) Hey, I thought the Toaster would hardly even *RUN* in an unaccelerated Amiga?!? And I also heard you're fooling yourself if you try to run it in less than 6 megs of RAM. How the heck can they sell this thing as a useful tool, if it's that crippled? Any chance it's either accelerated or has lots'o ram? If not, it's a _real_ joke. Philip pk@wet.uucp {cca.ucsf.edu,hoptoad,claris}!wet!pk
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) (04/25/91)
pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King) writes: >In article <1991Apr20.143022.27618@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: >>bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >>>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: >>>> Ok, a Toaster for $1400, an A2000 for $1600 (WAG at an OEM price), >>>> that's still a $1000 pure profit on the "stand alone" Toaster. :-) >Hey, I thought the Toaster would hardly even *RUN* in an unaccelerated >Amiga?!? And I also heard you're fooling yourself if you try to run it >in less than 6 megs of RAM. The Toaster runs just fine on a stock 2000, but if you're going to do much rendering with Lightwave, then you want an accelerator. NewTek recommends a minimum of 5 meg, but people with Toasters say that 7 or 9 meg is much better. >How the heck can they sell this thing as a useful tool, if it's that >crippled? Any chance it's either accelerated or has lots'o ram? If not, >it's a _real_ joke. First, I don't know exactly what the Stand-Alone Toaster includes for $4000, the blurb on BIX didn't go into much detail. But it would be a common marketing practice to sell a very minimal base system, and then offer lots of wonderful performance upgrades for the Stand-Alone Toaster. If the customer is ignorant enough of the Amiga to buy the "stand-alone" version, you can probably make a killing selling him "Toaster specific" upgrades like the A2630 or GVP accelerators. I can see it now, a whole new cottage industry supporting the "stand- alone" Toaster, with a staggering array of products ranging from hardware accelerators to mass storage. And maybe even things like video games and word processors that will run on the "stand-alone" Toaster. Of course the prices for such items will have to reflect the rarified atmosphere of the Macintosh and video production markets. :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g DoD #46 My other motorcycle is a Quadracer. FJ1200
bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) (04/26/91)
In article <1991Apr25.144621.9324@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: > >I can see it now, a whole new cottage industry supporting the "stand- >alone" Toaster, with a staggering array of products ranging from hardware >accelerators to mass storage. And maybe even things like video games and >word processors that will run on the "stand-alone" Toaster. Of course >the prices for such items will have to reflect the rarified atmosphere >of the Macintosh and video production markets. :-) Of course, as the stand-alone Toaster is merely an A2000+Toaster, developments aimed at the stand-alone will benefit the entire Amiga line, right? >Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 Dave Hopper | /// Anthro Creep | Academic Info Resources, Stanford |__ /// . . | Macincrap/UNIX Consultant bard@jessica. |\\\/// Ia! Ia! | -- Just remember: love is life, and Stanford.EDU | \XX/ Shub-Niggurath! | hate is living death. :Black Sabbath
ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) (04/26/91)
In article <1991Apr25.205341.12099@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: }In article <1991Apr25.144621.9324@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes: }> }>I can see it now, a whole new cottage industry supporting the "stand- }>alone" Toaster, with a staggering array of products ranging from hardware } }Of course, as the stand-alone Toaster is merely an A2000+Toaster, }developments aimed at the stand-alone will benefit the entire Amiga }line, right? I don't see any reason why the stand-alone Toaster should require an entire A2000 to run. Consider, the "host" computer could run all the imaging software, downloading the results to the SA-Toaster. With a sufficiently fast interface (like SCSI), you could probably even manage to pump the data from the host to the Toaster fast enough for animation, especially if you could make the SCSI interface on the toaster smart enough to take over as master on command and pump data directly from predefined sectors on the hard drive. Why would you need more on the SA-Toaster than a basic A2000 motherboard with a lot of RAM and the ability to load it's software via the SCSI port? Now, I'm not saying I like the idea of people pointing at a Mac or a PC Clone and saying "See, we can do multimedia better than anybody.", but that's the reality. On the other hand, this SA-Toaster could just as easily plug into an Amiga, so they won't really have any significant advantage. Lance -- Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/26/91)
pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King) writes: > Hey, I thought the Toaster would hardly even *RUN* in an unaccelerated > Amiga?!? And I also heard you're fooling yourself if you try to run it > in less than 6 megs of RAM. > > How the heck can they sell this thing as a useful tool, if it's that > crippled? Any chance it's either accelerated or has lots'o ram? If not, > it's a _real_ joke. Hmm..that is incorrect information. I've run the Toaster on my UNaccelerated 5 meg Amiga 2000 and it runs like a champ. You don't *need* an accelerator at all. One would be nice however. <grin> It doens't run slow and it is quite useful in the above setup without any major hassles. > Philip > pk@wet.uucp > {cca.ucsf.edu,hoptoad,claris}!wet!pk -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
rcj2@cbnewsd.att.com (ray.c.jender) (04/27/91)
In article <qRs1111w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King) writes: > >> Hey, I thought the Toaster would hardly even *RUN* in an unaccelerated >> Amiga?!? And I also heard you're fooling yourself if you try to run it >> in less than 6 megs of RAM. >> >> How the heck can they sell this thing as a useful tool, if it's that >> crippled? Any chance it's either accelerated or has lots'o ram? If not, >> it's a _real_ joke. > >Hmm..that is incorrect information. I've run the Toaster on my >UNaccelerated 5 meg Amiga 2000 and it runs like a champ. You don't >*need* an accelerator at all. One would be nice however. <grin> > >It doens't run slow and it is quite useful in the above setup without >any major hassles. > >> Philip >> pk@wet.uucp >> {cca.ucsf.edu,hoptoad,claris}!wet!pk > >-- Bob > Even though I don't own a toaster, I'd have to agree, but..... should'nt you qualify that with "unless your lightwaving it, and have the time....?" I thought anytime you do 3D, rendering, tracing,etc. that it's awfully slow without an accelerator.
hill@cse.uta.edu (Adam Hill) (04/27/91)
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And heard no human voices. Amiga... Multimedia NOW!
But the hard disk sang. - TZoP Born To Run SVR4bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/27/91)
rcj2@cbnewsd.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes: > > Even though I don't own a toaster, I'd have to agree, but..... > should'nt you qualify that with "unless your lightwaving it, and have > the time....?" I thought anytime you do 3D, rendering, tracing,etc. > that it's awfully slow without an accelerator. In most cases it is. Lightwave doesn't do Ray-Tracing so (depending on your scenes and if you are rendering shadows) your render times are not that slow even with an unaccelerated machine. I had very reasonable results in the hi-res mode. Actually, the ease of use and productivity achieved from just using the interface more than makes up for the final rendering speed. Most of your time is actually spent *creating*. Once you are done with that, the rendering is secondary (to me anyway). I don't care if I have to let the machine sit for a week rendering once I've gotten my scenes and motions down. Doing some key frames to test the look doesn't take that long and the interface just flies even with an unaccelerated machine. Overall, I would say it is much faster working with Lightwave 3D than any other 3D software on an unaccelerated machine. -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (04/30/91)
In-Reply-To: message from ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org Why would you want to plug the SA-Toaster into an Amiga??? It IS an Amiga! It sure will be nice when people start getting their facts straight... Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .SIG v2.5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc RealWorld: Sean Cunningham ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil Voice: (512) 992-2810 INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com ____________________________________ // | * All opinions expressed herein | HELP KEEP THE COMPETITION UNDER \X/ | Copyright 1991 VISION GRAPHICS | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<