pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) (01/25/91)
Yes I know Aegis is DEAEEAEHD, but while one will never live to see Sonix edition 1991, what other music programs are there like it ? I'm sick and tired of stupid "userinterfacelikeadeaddog" soundtrackers, and Sonix, made in 1986/87 was all I could ever ask for, well almost. I wish it was possible to use IFF samples in the "soundtracker" way. That is playing the sample at 20 hZ and at 28 kHz(instead of always between 8 and 15,9 kHz). And that there was a rythm section and/or a sequencer. The synthesizer thing is great, and allows one to dream of the 64, but again, where is the '91 version ? To put it all together in a single question: Where are all the musicprograms, that should look like Sonix and be made in the 9O's ? Am I the only one, that miss notes and hate columns with A#4 DF23's ? Everybody with an opinion about notes and bars and soundtrashers and ... post your opinions! I long for debate about this! (And Deluxe Music Confusion Kit is not the way to go!)
bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) (01/25/91)
Sonix is a great program-- given the SMUS format. One interesting debate that
was just on c.s.a was that we need a new SMUS format, one that has the
capabilities of NoiseTracker. I've been using NoiseTracker for some time now
(no flames about copyrights, we've discussed this) and I'll be damned if this
isn't some of the most impressive native (i.e. non-MIDI) music software I've
seen on any computer. Now, I ain't no expert, but I know what I like, and when
I hear my Amy belting out 10-15 *different* instrument-notes per second per
voice in stereo, well, I can see why I bought it-- there's even enough CPU
left to do blitter tricks, and with IntuiTracker, multitask. Granted, the
interface is cryptic. But that can be fixed with some serious programmers
doing some serious work on it.
I say, standardize it!
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Actually, DMCS is quite usable on a 3000 - even (especially, rather) when running 2.0. I don't know of any other program - especially one so complex as DMCS - that's retained its functionality over four or five revisions of the OS. Mike Shapiro ms0p@andrew.cmu.edu I don't live in fantasy; I only work there.
macadder@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Sean M. Wetterer) (01/26/91)
Recently, for those of us who have amiga/mac envy but bought an IBM instead, a program for the playing of soundtracker format files was made for the PC. In the shareware mode, it allows the playing of "screamtracker" files--a slightly modified version of the soundtracker format. It's a nice program but nobody's converting the files. Before I plunk down my $50 to register and get the upgrade to play soundtracker files, I'd like to know of any FTPable sites for these files. Please aid an IBM user by E-mailing me a list of any sites you may know of. Send replies to this newsgroup or macadder@tybalt.caltech.edu. Thanks in advance. _______All opinions expressed are mine alone and do not reflect the_______ _______ demented state of Caltech. Erroneous facts and stupid _______ _______ questions will be disavowed by both me and Caltech. _______ _______ "Dammit Jim, I'm not a physicist" _______
duck@engin.umich.edu (Ho Han Chyi Howard) (01/27/91)
In article <1991Jan25.113534.23606@portia.Stanford.EDU>, bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: |> Sonix is a great program-- given the SMUS format. One interesting debate that |> was just on c.s.a was that we need a new SMUS format, one that has the |> capabilities of NoiseTracker. I've been using NoiseTracker for some time now |> (no flames about copyrights, we've discussed this) and I'll be damned if this |> isn't some of the most impressive native (i.e. non-MIDI) music software I've |> seen on any computer. Now, I ain't no expert, but I know what I like, and when |> I hear my Amy belting out 10-15 *different* instrument-notes per second per |> voice in stereo, well, I can see why I bought it-- there's even enough CPU |> left to do blitter tricks, and with IntuiTracker, multitask. Granted, the |> interface is cryptic. But that can be fixed with some serious programmers |> doing some serious work on it. |> |> I say, standardize it! Yeah - I say DO IT! -Howard Ho ******************************************************************************* * * * Name: Ho Han Chyi Howard ******** * * Address: 1309 S. University Apt #1 *** ******* * * Ann Arbor, MI 48104 *** ***** * * Telephone: local (313)996-1875 (| o o |) * * remote 0-11-65-253-2503 | ^ | * * (Singpore.Equator.SE-Asia.World) \ _ / * * eMail: duck@caen.engin.umich.edu \ / * * 6VBN@ub.cc.umich.edu --- * * * *******************************************************************************
t22918@iti.org (Matt Ranney ) (01/27/91)
bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: >I hear my Amy belting out 10-15 *different* instrument-notes per second per >voice in stereo, well, I can see why I bought it-- there's even enough CPU >left to do blitter tricks, and with IntuiTracker, multitask. Granted, the >interface is cryptic. But that can be fixed with some serious programmers >doing some serious work on it. >I say, standardize it! Well, I love the NT module format. There are lots of great songs available for it, and the editors, in my opinion, are much better than Sonix or DMCS. Fore one thing, Sonix and DMCS are slow and clumsy. Sure, they have real looking notes on the screen, and DMCS makes some really neat displays and printouts, but come on, the computer doesn't read a musical staff, it reads numbers, like d#4 - 0000. Plus, it's easier to manage your 4 voices with Med/ST/NT because you've got a track for each channel. You want a chord, you know you're taking up 3 channels to play it. As far as the synthesizer function of Sonix, which is nice, you can take the money you've saved from buying Sonix and using Med/ST/NT, and buy Synthia. -- Matt Ranney t22918@ursa.calvin.edu
pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) (01/28/91)
t22918@iti.org (Matt Ranney ) writes: >Well, I love the NT module format. There are lots of great songs available >for it, and the editors, in my opinion, are much better than Sonix or DMCS. >Fore one thing, Sonix and DMCS are slow and clumsy. Sure, they have real >looking notes on the screen, and DMCS makes some really neat displays and >printouts, but come on, the computer doesn't read a musical staff, it reads >numbers, like d#4 - 0000. Plus, it's easier to manage your 4 voices with >Med/ST/NT because you've got a track for each channel. You want a chord, >you know you're taking up 3 channels to play it. >As far as the synthesizer function of Sonix, which is nice, you can take the >money you've saved from buying Sonix and using Med/ST/NT, and buy Synthia. OUTRAGE ! OUTRAGE ! We are in the 1991, not 1981 nor 1971 ! The term 'user interface' has been invented, and therefore I work with computers on my conditions, not on the computers conditions ! Well, it's not that bad, but I feel the urge to say the following: I personally prefer Sonix to DMCS, but know that DMCS is more 'professional' and more suited for real music and notes, with more powerful tools to transform the note tables. Other people might have other opionions, but I don't tell them to use Sonix, just because *I* like that program better. Soundtrackers are ideally suited for making music for games, amongst several other reasons because the player doesn't require too much CPU time. And in some cases, they are easier more appropriate to do music with. But in Sonix, I haven't yet seen a limit to the number of instruments I can use in a song, and the samplelength seem to be fiddled further than 128k. The ADSR-regulation of samples is great, and I wish this was in- corporated in soundtracker systems. The realtime Synths CANNOT be SampleComputed ahead of playing the tune ! It would require too much ram, and there is no need for doing this (other than that is uses too much CPU time) I, as the only person in the world, wants to use Sonix like things, because a quarternote and a halfnote NOT always sounds equal. But don't forget - I like the soundtracker and whats made on it - some games would have a hard time with sonix music - but I certainly does not myself want to make music on it ! And I have used different soundtrackers quite a lot, so I know I don't like it ! My favorite Regards, Jakob Gaardsted.
elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan25.085753.6459@daimi.aau.dk> pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes: > To put it all together in a single question: Where are all the >musicprograms, that should look like Sonix and be made in the 9O's ? >Am I the only one, that miss notes and hate columns with A#4 DF23's ? > >Everybody with an opinion about notes and bars and soundtrashers and >... post your opinions! I long for debate about this! >(And Deluxe Music Confusion Kit is not the way to go!) I tend to like "soundtrasher" myself, but mainly for the reasons you outlined I HATED Sonix because the instrument editor sucks (or maybe that's just my own lack of ability to get it to do anything worthwhile), and that damned 8SVX sample format. Oh and there's no realtime record facility on Sonix either. (Come to that a real time record facility on Soundtracker that allows you to record more than one segment at a time would be kinda nice for all us jammers). Another thing you've gotta remember too is that not everyone can read music (in the notes and bars sense) but most everyone can do *something* reasonable with the soundtracker type interface. 'Course what I would really like to see is a pair of 40kHz DACs stuck inside the Ami, so you could get a really decent cymbal sound out of the thing. Cheers, Elson -- Elson Markwick | The only good cat |ACSnet: elson@otc.otca.oz.au OTC R & D Unit |is a stir-fried cat|UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!elson Ph: 02 287 3142| ALF |Internet: elson%otc.otca.oz.au@uunet.uu.net Fax:02 287 3299| |Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia