clcp16@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ((Stewart C. Russell)) (02/21/91)
In article <1991Feb19.224122.4312@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: > In article <1991Feb19.122230.10213@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clcp16@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ((Stewart C. Russell)) writes: >>In article <1991Feb19.004024.5199@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: >>> >>> I need a Oktalyzer/Startrtrekker player. I ftped Oktasongs.lzh, Okta-robot- >>> rap.lzh and Oktaplayer.lzh from ab20. Oktaplayer will play >>> Robot Rap, but it won't play the 6 newer songs in Otasongs.lzh because >>> they are made with the newest version of Oktalyzer. >>> >>> Could someone email me oktalyzer uuencoded or tell me where to ftp the >>> player from. >> >>Oktalyzer is a commercial product, produced and sold in Germany. > > That's all well and good, but how in the hell do a play Oktalyzer > songs? If I am required to purchase Oktalyzer just so I can hear > the songs produced by it, then it's a doomed product. Oh well, I'll > just wait for European hacker groups to make a Oktalyzer clone that > does what Oktalyzer does, and more. "If I am required to buy Lattice C just so I can compile..." Sorry, your argument doesn't wash. All clones ("derivative works") are copyright too. > Oktaplayer DOES NOT play songs produces by the commercial version of > Oktalyzer. All versions are commercial. Does StarTracker not handle Okta files? Stewart C. Russell University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland
rjc@mole.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) (02/21/91)
In article <1991Feb20.162639.10237@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clcp16@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ((Stewart C. Russell)) writes: >In article <1991Feb19.224122.4312@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: >> In article <1991Feb19.122230.10213@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clcp16@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ((Stewart C. Russell)) writes: >>>In article <1991Feb19.004024.5199@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: >>>> >>>> I need a Oktalyzer/Startrtrekker player. I ftped Oktasongs.lzh, Okta-robot- >>>> rap.lzh and Oktaplayer.lzh from ab20. Oktaplayer will play >>>> Robot Rap, but it won't play the 6 newer songs in Otasongs.lzh because >>>> they are made with the newest version of Oktalyzer. >>>> >>>> Could someone email me oktalyzer uuencoded or tell me where to ftp the >>>> player from. >>> >>>Oktalyzer is a commercial product, produced and sold in Germany. >> >> That's all well and good, but how in the hell do a play Oktalyzer >> songs? If I am required to purchase Oktalyzer just so I can hear >> the songs produced by it, then it's a doomed product. Oh well, I'll >> just wait for European hacker groups to make a Oktalyzer clone that >> does what Oktalyzer does, and more. > > "If I am required to buy Lattice C just so I can compile..." >Sorry, your argument doesn't wash. All clones ("derivative works") are >copyright too. "If I am required to buy DPAINT just so I can view an IFF..." "IF I am required to buy DigiView just to view Dynamic Hires files..." Your analogy is wrong, it's "If I am required to buy Lattice C just so I can run an executable.." Clone's of Oktalyzer are not copyright. Sorry. If I write a music editor that has 8channels and can load/play Oktasongs, it is not subject to copyright, unless the author of Oktalyzer somehow has patented the algorithm to produce 8channels on the Amiga which I think is highly unlikely. If clones fell in the catogory of 'deritative works' GNU wouldn't have been able to produce things like Bison, Flex, Ghostscript, gcc, etc and Xerox would be the only computer with a windowing operating system. I clone of Oktalyzer doesn't have to look exactly like it (Oktalyzer 's GUI isn't very impressive anyway.) All it has to do is load/play oktasongs (not illegal) and provide rougly the same features. >> Oktaplayer DOES NOT play songs produces by the commercial version of >> Oktalyzer. > >All versions are commercial. Why does Oktaplayer allow editing of songs, and not play OKtasongs from the 'newer version'? Somehow I get the impression that before the author found a distributor for a commercial version he made some preliminary shareware (bugged) releases. Also, assembly source is provided for a player. > >Does StarTracker not handle Okta files? I dunno, but it GURU's alot (in PAL mode). > Stewart C. Russell > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland Oh well, the point is moot anyway since I got a copy of Oktalyzer, played the songs, then deleted them and Oktalyzer to make space for some Med/Noisetracker songs. (The Oktalyzer songs weren't impressive enough to have wasted 1hr downloading, and 2 days of tracking down a program that could play them.)
s117986@lehtori.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) (02/21/91)
From article <1991Feb20.162639.10237@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, by clcp16@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ((Stewart C. Russell)): > > Does StarTracker not handle Okta files? > > Stewart C. Russell > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland At least to my knowledge Startrekker can't load Oktasongs unless someone has made a converterprogram for that... -- **************************************** * Janne Salmij{rvi * s117986@cc.tut.fi * ****************************************