daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (04/25/91)
I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop
music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the
user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication
quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics
in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga
yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit.
--
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
{uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy
"That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M.drysdale@cbmvax.commodore.com (Scott Drysdale) (04/26/91)
In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga >yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit. >-- >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. check out Dr. T's Copyist. it's like CAD for music. it does laser output (i assume postscript - might be HP laserjet stuff though). --Scotty -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scott Drysdale Software Engineer Commodore Amiga Inc. UUCP {allegra|burdvax|rutgers|ihnp4}!cbmvax!drysdale PHONE - yes. "Have you hugged your hog today?" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (04/26/91)
In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >in ProPage or PageStream. I'm no TeX expert, but on CeBIT last year they demosntrated a TeX module for writing musical scores. The quality was impressing. I don't have it myself. It's distributed by TechnicSupport, a company in Berlin that also distributes TeX for the Amiga and has published many Amiga books. (Address: Bundesallee 36-37, W-1000 Berlin 31, Germany, Tel. 0049-30-8621314) -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
cs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) (04/26/91)
In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> Dave writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga >yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit. The following would not have been suggested, but you did state that the program doesn't have to play the music... :-) Well Dave, here is your chance to justify getting AmigaTeX (or the PD version)... MuTeX is a macro package (with MetaFont fonts) that produces beautiful pages of music via TeX. I have seen the output, but don't currently have it on my system due to the fact that music is not my forte. Tomas Rockiki, author of AmigaTeX, will provide MuTeX on one of his AmigaTeX PD disks (or I think that it can be downloaded from BIX) I believe, or it could be ftp'd/email'd from on of the many archive sites. As a side bonus, Radical Eye Software just started shipping a new version of AmigaTeX that allows PostScript graphics to be pulled in and rendered on any Amiga compatible printer! He currently uses post.library to provide this functionality and the output looks great on my HP DeskJet printer... If you liked scribe, you'll love TeX. >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. I love the album and I hope to see quotes from it engraved in the new products you are working on. :-) Loren J. Rittle -- ``The Amiga continues to amaze me--if I had not been told that this video was created using the Amiga and Toaster, I would not have believed it. Even Allen said, `I think I know how he did most of the effects.' '' - Jim Lange Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu -- ``The Amiga continues to amaze me--if I had not been told that this video was created using the Amiga and Toaster, I would not have believed it. Even Allen said, `I think I know how he did most of the effects.' '' - Jim Lange Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu
ben@epmooch.UUCP (Rev. Ben A. Mesander) (04/26/91)
>In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga >yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit. Dave, If you're a TeXnical type, you can use the MuTeX package and dvips to generate very nice postscript music output. It wouldn't have a hot user interface on it though. There's a good PD TeX available for the Amiga called PasTeX, it's on ab20.larc.nasa.gov. It was cross-compiled to assembler by GCC on a Sun 3 and then assembled on an Amiga. Tomas Rockiki's TeX for the Amiga does have a very cool user interface, is fully Arexx-programmable, and has excellent support. This coupled with MuTeX might be what you are looking for. In fact, it should be possible to write a program to allow you to write music on the screen, generate MuTeX output from that, and send it to TeX via Arexx. Hmmm. Another project... >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. -- | ben@epmooch.UUCP (Ben Mesander) | "Cash is more important than | | ben%servalan.UUCP@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu | your mother." - Al Shugart, | | !chinet!uokmax!servalan!epmooch!ben | CEO, Seagate Technologies |
@utrcgw.utc.com:mark@ardnt1 (mark) (04/27/91)
I am forwarding this for someone here at work. Replies or questions can be sent directly to him or to me and I'll forward them to him. --Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Stucky | Email: | | United Technologies Research Center | mark%ardnt1@utrcgw.utc.com | | East Hartford, CT. | mast%utrc@utrcgw.utc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ on Fri, 26 Apr 91 13:14 EDT, "William R(ay) Brohinsky" <RAYBRO%HOLON@utrcgw.utc.com> said: Mark, please forward this: In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> Dave Haynie writes: Dave> I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of Dave> desktop music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, Dave> just let the user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully Dave> publication quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can Dave> with text and graphics in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such Dave> a puppy exists on the Amiga yet? Many thanks in advance, email Dave> or post the answers as y'all see fit. <l-rittle@uiuc.edu> Loren J. Rittle responds: Loren> The following would not have been suggested, but you did state that Loren> the program doesn't have to play the music... :-) Loren> Well Dave, here is your chance to justify getting AmigaTeX (or the PD Loren> version)... MuTeX is a macro package (with MetaFont fonts) that produces Loren> beautiful pages of music via TeX. I have seen the output, but don't Loren> currently have it on my system due to the fact that music is not Loren> my forte. Tomas Rockiki, author of AmigaTeX, will provide MuTeX Loren> on one of his AmigaTeX PD disks (or I think that it can be downloaded Loren> from BIX) I believe, or it could be ftp'd/email'd from on of the Loren> many archive sites. Loren J. Rittle recommends a package called MuTeX to Dave Haynie. I feel that a few more comments on this matter are in order: I am not familiar with MuTeX. I do know of 2 packages, one called MTeX by its authors (a pair of German MS students who went on to other things before finishing it, but released what they'd done) and MusicTeX by Daniel Taupin. Of the two, MTeX needs LOTS of work before it will be useful. MusicTeX seems to have it's roots in MTeX, and D.T. has done yeoman service in producing it, but it still has problems. Currently, some extreem work is being done on MusicTeX: DT seems to have added the MTeX slur fonts to the latest release, which is dated in March 91. Some of us on bix (I hesitate to mention names) are working on spacing problems and general problems. I will be (someday Real Soon Now) adding some more font characters, for such things as codas, DS al Fine, and some articulations. There is also a package called Smus2TeX, but it suffers a bit: it presumes that you will have a grand staff (piano style) and makes no effort to move notes between staves. Since MusicTeX defines the lowest note that a staff can have to be only about 3 ledger-lines below (although it goes quite high), this means that transposed parts will be miserable. Also, it is quite hard for any semi-intellegent program to make anything out of DMCS, which is currently the best thing for making SMUS scores (sadly enough.) DMCS forces the upper voice to treble clef, the next one down to bass clef, and the subsequent ones to treble. This is disasterous for string quartets, renaissance music (it seems to ignore C clefs altogether, even tho DMCS's internal file format keeps them, and the SMUS definition allows for them!). This wouldn't be so bad if EA weren't responsible for the SMUS format in the first place... Back to MusicTeX: The best documentation for using it is not the notice.tex included with the distribution, but rather the copious examples and source for music.tex. Unfortunately (again) the comments are all in French or German, and most of the macro names are French colloquialisms. Not too much problem for your average European, I'm sure, but my languages are Latin, Forth, C, TeX, and English (in roughly that order!) Finally, the note placement algorithms are not up to the job. There is an excellent article in the latest ACM mag on music-typesetting. Someone on bix is looking into that, and whether it can be applied to MusicTeX. As much as I like (love, sass) AmigaTeX, I wouldn't say that its time for music setting has come. Soon...real soon.... raybro
drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) (04/27/91)
In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the [etc.] GASP! This must be a prank post from someone who has gotten access to Dave's account. Dave Haynie with a QUESTION? Impossible. Not the ultimate Amiga guru and general cool dude. Not the man whose name is on my 2000's motherboard. Really? This is a real post? My illusions are shattered... :-) :-) :-) :-) >-- >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. -- Thanx, Internet: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Dustin R. Christmann Bitnet: DRXMANN@UTXVM "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) (04/27/91)
In article <47981@ut-emx.uucp> drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) writes: >In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >>I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >>music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >[etc.] > >GASP! This must be a prank post from someone who has gotten access to Dave's >account. Dave Haynie with a QUESTION? Impossible. Not the ultimate Amiga guru >and general cool dude. Not the man whose name is on my 2000's motherboard. > >Really? This is a real post? My illusions are shattered... > >:-) :-) :-) :-) > It's a SOFTWARE question- Give the guy a break! :) Well, the only music publishing package that *I* know of (which isn't much) is Dr T's Copyist Pro. I think it has some MIDI implimentation, but I'm not sure to what extent. There are probably more that I am unaware of, but maybe that's enough. X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X | | |\ |>jon@brahms.udel.edu<| "For my 2 cents, | | \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<| I'd pay a dollar" | X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X
dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) (04/29/91)
In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga >yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit. I have been working on a font that will do this! It prints out the staff along with each note, so the font does take up all of the character codes. The hard part is deciding which notes go to which keys. Also, FED is not my favorite program, but it is the one I have.... >-- >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. -- David Tiberio SUNY Stony Brook 2-3481 AMIGA DDD-MEN Tomas Arce Any students from SUNY Oswego? Please let me know! :) Un ragazzo di Casalbordino, Italia.
givler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Greg Givler - Product Assurance) (05/01/91)
In article <1991Apr29.163405.7669@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes: >In article <20949@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >>I'm trying to track down a program capable of doing a decent job of desktop >>music publishing. It doesn't have to actually play anything, just let the >>user write music and get hot looking printouts (hopefully publication >>quality, PostScript if possible) as reasonably as I can with text and graphics >>in ProPage or PageStream. Anyone know if such a puppy exists on the Amiga >>yet? Many thanks in advance, email or post the answers as y'all see fit. Well, there is The Copyist, DTP by Mr. T's Software, It takes MIDI files and produces very good output. You can do the editing by hand, but that is very difficult and tedious. DMCS is what I use for scoring, it has some limitations though. But for the money DMCS is pretty good. The problem with The Copyist, DTP is that it is expensive, about $300. >>-- >>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" >> {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy >> "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Givler | Q-Link: GregGivler Analyst - Systems Evaluation Group | CompuServe: Greg Givler 76702,647 Commodore Product Assurance | GEnie: G.Givler 215-431-9100 | The NET: givler@cbmvax.commodore.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I was raised to be Charming, not Sincere" - Prince Charming to Cinderella Into The Woods -- Lapine/Sondheim ===============================================================================
vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) (05/07/91)
I know there's another package as well, in addition to Copyist and the TeX macro packages. I saw it in Commodore's boot at Amiga'90 in Cologne. What little I saw of it seemed very good, the package was clearly made for professional music typists. I would have bought it myself, but my sporadic usage would not have justified its price (it wasn't exactly cheap). Some weak memory signal tells me it was put out by a German company, but the name is gone. Maybe someone else remember seeing this and can tell us where it is available. Perhaps someone organizing the Commodore display boot for that show would be able to help you out as well. I tried looking through the archive, but didn't find anything (I'm sure they had flyers...) -- Leonard
DEB110@psuvm.psu.edu (Doug Bischoff) (05/07/91)
I realize that this will only apply to a fraction of Amiga users, but for
my needs it works quite well: I have my sequencer record whatever song I'm
working on and have it play it back to me until it sounds exactly right. Then
I save it as a MIDI file, and transfer it (via AMAX-II) to Macintosh disks.
At this point I can use Finale (A VERY pricey but impossibly perfect
notation program with a learning wall... not curve... wall) to make printer-
quality output on a campus LP. Mind you it takes a bit of wizardry to get
it into format that I can just dump a PostScript file out to a LaserWriter,
but the output looks beautiful.
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| -Doug Bischoff- | *** *** ====--\ | "I'm not God... |
| -DEB110 @ PSUVM- | * *** * ==|<>\___ | I was just |
| -The Black Ring- | *** *** |______\ | misquoted!"|
| --- "Wheels" --- | *** O O | -Dave Lister |
| Corwyn Blakwolfe | T.R.I. ------------- | RED DWARF |
\---- DEB110@PSUVM.PSU.EDU D.BISCHOFF on GEnie THIRDMAN on PAN -----/gt1619a@prism.gatech.EDU (James is just this guy, you know...) (05/07/91)
Does anyone know if there's a patch to use Suberbase Pro 4 under 2.0?
The reason I ask is that I have a friend down the hall with a 500 that wants
to move up to a 3000 and he brings by his software to see how it runs on my
3000. Suberbase 4 Pro was really flaky and the forms editor didn't work at all.
Then again I was pushing the buttons and I don't even know how to use Superbase,
but I do know tse
but I do know that it shouldn't crash like it does.
-Thanx.
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**************************************************************************leeuw@fwi.uva.nl (Jacco de Leeuw) (05/14/91)
vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes: >I know there's another package as well, in addition to Copyist and the >TeX macro packages. I saw it in Commodore's boot at Amiga'90 in >Cologne. What little I saw of it seemed very good, the package was >clearly made for professional music typists. I would have bought it >myself, but my sporadic usage would not have justified its price (it >wasn't exactly cheap). Some weak memory signal tells me it was put out >by a German company, but the name is gone. > Maybe someone else remember seeing this and can tell us where it is >available. Perhaps someone organizing the Commodore display boot for >that show would be able to help you out as well. I tried looking >through the archive, but didn't find anything (I'm sure they had >flyers...) >-- Leonard I think I know what package you mean. I've got one of these flyers in front of me. It's a special reprint from a german magazine, "Amiga Magazine", Ausgabe 8/1990. The program is called "NotaScript", I'll try to sum up some of the facts: (First the pictures: B/W hi-res (A2024?) screen-dumps from the program. Difficult to describe for me as a non-musician. I could try to scan it and post it?) - All text in German (yuck!). Maybe there's an English version out now? - Examples: pressing key 'v' = 1/4 note, tail(?) of note up, 'V' tail down. 'a' = 1/8 note up, 'A' = 1/8 note down etc. (German: viertel, achtel) - Placing and removing notes, letters and symbols with cursorkeys. - Max. format of paper: A3. - Rastralsizes not limited. E.g. Rastral nr.2 = 1,880 mm. - User-interface is like a direct dialog. Everybody can use it in one day (hmmmm... :). - With an additional program you can make your own symbols. - WYSIWYG-principle. - Macro's. - Advanced transposition, reversing of the tails possible. - Text: 2 fonts, 3 sizes and 24 styles each. - Prints on: 24 dots matrixprinters, inkjetprinters and laserprinters (with HPGL emulation) and plotters. Planned additions (maybe already done?): - PostScript. - MIDI-input. (Something I missed: HEARING a note when you place it. That's why a friend of mine still uses DMCS, and then transfers it to the Copyist for additional editing and printing). Info: NotaScript, DM 7000 (I think around $3500) NotaScript Jr, DM 998 Distributor: Feuchtlinger & Gleichauf Musikverlag GmbH Postfach 110240 / Niedermuenstergasse 2 8400 Regensburg 11 Germany Tel. 09 41/5 30 05 "Ansprechpartner": Herr Kern Fax: 09 41/ 5 43 39 Remember, I have no connections with this company. I've just typed in some of things from the flyer as a service to all of you outthere... Jacco de Leeuw (leeuw@fwi.uva.nl) PS. Just one more quote :) "Bach und Beatles waeren froh gewesen, haetten sie NotaScript gehabt." -- Jacco de Leeuw | Email: leeuw@fwi.uva.nl J.C. van Wessemstr. 54 | Department of Computer Science 1501 VM Zaandam, Holland | Plantage Muidergracht 24 Room 106a Home phone: +31-75-352068 | 1018 TV Amsterdam, Holland