djh@neuromancer.metaphor.com (Dallas J. Hodgson) (06/15/91)
In article <91164.132625U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> U28037@uicvm.uic.edu (Jason Kratz) writes: <stuff deleted> >audio or music go out and get a Mac. The Amiga has got A LOT of catching up to >do in the way of music software and sampling software. As far as that $199 >dollar 16-bit thing for the IBM is concerned forget it. I paid $135 for the >AMAS 8-bit sampler. 16-bit audio will be that cheap when they come out with >something better like 24 or 32-bit digital audio. I'd like to know where you >can get a DAT, two 16-bit stereo siganl processors, a mixer and the speakers >for $2000. <here I go again> JVC home DAT deck : $599 (Fry's Electronics, Mountain View) Bose powered bookshelf speakers (pair) $279 (above) ART SGE 16-bit digital multi F/X unit : $550.00 apiece (K&K music, San Jose) ... works out to $1978.00. If you were to opt for less extravagant multi F/X like a couple of ART Multiverbs or a single Yamaha SPX-90, you'd have $400-$700 left over; enough to buy the M-Sound unit and have $200-$500 left over to buy yourself a mixer. If you want to delude yourself and say "if it's not incredibly high-end I'm not interested", then you bought the wrong computer. Dust off your gold card and get yourself a Max IIfx to go along with your Porsche. Amiga users are looking for a better price/performance ratio, or they wouldn't have bought one in the first place. I do agree that the Amiga has a lot of catching up to do in terms of sound hardware. I also remember the original $1500 20MB Tecmar SASI drive for the Amiga 1000; production was pulled on the drive before it even hit the market; no one was willing to pay the price. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dallas J. Hodgson | "These days, you have to be pretty | | Metaphor Computer Systems | technical before you can even | | Mountain View, Ca. | aspire to crudeness." | | USENET : djh@metaphor.com | - William Gibson | +============================================================================+ | "The views I express are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> (06/16/91)
Are all Amiga users looking for a better price/performance ratio? I thought that a lot of Amiga users bought the Amiga because of it's graphics. The price /performance ratio doesn't hold true in terms of business or sound applications. Nothing on the Amiga can touch the IBM in terms of business software or the Mac in terms of music/audio software. It's also true that graphics on those two computers can't touch the Amiga. I guess it all boils down to what you want to do with the computer. If all you want to do is play 16-bit samples on your Amiga than $2000 is a lot to pay. If you want to do pro direct-to-disk digital recording while also laying down SMPTE time code and have the option of total digital I/O then $2000 isn't a lot to pay. Don't forget that you also need a superfast and large hard drive to do that kind of recording. The Sunrize board wasn't supposed to be for the average Amiga user. It was designed to do pro work. Now if we only had good software to go along with it....... Jason Kratz - U28037@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
cuddihyd@cshl.org (David Cuddihy) (06/17/91)
I think the key to this whole debate has already been said:
The Amiga has alot of catching up to do.
Figure this, though: Both the IBM and Mac came into the market with MAJOR
support many years ago where the Amigas are just really catching on now. Unlike
the IBM, the Amiga is 680x0...(and to avoid a big microprocessor debate)...
which may be better/worse than the x86s(you decide...), it is aimed at the
multitasking applications(Credit wher credit's due:Macs run 680x0 too...) so
one of these days we'll have the sampling program running along side some sort
of(or maybe a variety of) synthesizer style programs, and a sequencer(if we so
desire) piping it all!! Or whatever! (The point being: ) Multitasking, I think
is a good asset. (FINAL point being: ) the architecture's there! It'll just
take time to implement it, and some day(soon) it'll compete with the 'Big Boys'
Have fun,
-Dave