robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) (01/15/91)
Hi,
Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple,
Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone
even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many
Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and
Billions".
--
Robert Moldenhauer One People
U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet
Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please!
BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDUes1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (01/17/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". > Here's the best I can do. Commodore officially announced the sale of the 2 millionth Amiga in October. We have just passed the Christmas season. Over 7/1/89--6/30/90 there were 550,000 A500s sold, and sales are reportedly up 20%. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that there are close to 2.5 million Amigas currently sold. As to Apple and IBM, I read a report that the Mac will surpass the 7 million mark in 1992 and that MS-DOS clones will be well over the 80 million mark in 1992. >-- >Robert Moldenhauer One People >U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet > Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please! >BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDU -- Ethan "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind... How true that is." -- Dan Quayle, of course. Our beloved Vice President. It's just too easy!
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (01/17/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". Sorry that I can't serve with exactly these numbers. The TOTAL number of Amigas (all models, sales since 1985) has now passed the 2 million limit in November. How many of this was in 1990 I don't know. From what I heard here in Germany and from other European countries, Amiga might sell approximately double as many machines as Atari, but admitted, this is a rough guess. It is at least two years ago that Atari sold more machines than Amiga, as far as I heard. But back in those times that was true because of Atari's lower prices. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
estdwha@warwick.ac.uk (CrisP) (01/18/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone ^^^ What's a "Dos"? I've never heard of that kind of computer/manufacturer? >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". > >-- >Robert Moldenhauer One People >U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet > Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please! >BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDU
MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (01/19/91)
Two million Amigas have been sold by Commodore. 1.5 million of them are in Europe and the other 500,000 in North America. I believe that the second million were sold in just this past year. As for the ST, its sales are dead in America and I believe Amiga is overtaking it in Europe. /Mark "Remixed for Common Household Appliances" Sachs - MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu\ |DISCLAIMER: These are all YOUR opinions, strangely enough. || // AMIGA || | "Can I speak to you privately, Doctor?" "All right..." || \X/ Power || \== "Have you got a DEATH WISH?!!" -- Romana & The Doctor, Warrior's Gate ==/
spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) (01/19/91)
In article <1991Jan18.132404.17350@warwick.ac.uk> estdwha@warwick.ac.uk (CrisP) writes: >In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >>Hi, >>Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >>Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone > ^^^ > >What's a "Dos"? I've never heard of that kind of computer/manufacturer? He means MS-Dos (IBM PC) compatible machines. For some reason, these machines tend to be quite popular. Dunno why :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spencer Shanson - Amiga Software Engineer | email: spence@commodore.COM | or uunet!cbmvax!spence All opinions expressed are my own, and do not | "A picture is worth 1000 (necessarily) represent those of Commodore. | words, or about 300,000 | bytes."
agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) (01/20/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP>, Robert Moldenhauer writes: >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with >someone even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. >How many Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris >"Billions and Billions". Of course, there are many ST sold in Europe, especially in Germany, but the Atari ST is far away from being "the largest personal computer in Europe". STs are mainly bought because of their 70-Hz monochrom display. But there are much more Amiga 500 sold in Germany simple for playing video games. Today nearly nobody buys an Atari ST and also noone buys an Atari TT. But there are many A3000 sold in Germany. Our local computer shop sold about 45 A3000 till today and really 0 (NULL, zero) TTs! Greets, Matthias -- Matthias Zepf * Riegelaeckerstrasse 27 * D-7250 Leonberg * Reunited Germany *PHONE* (+49) 7152 41917 *UUCP* agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org *FIDO* 2:241/7031.7633 -or- zepf@helg.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Anybody listening? - Queensr"yche
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (01/20/91)
In article <4797@skye.cs.ed.ac.uk> db@lfcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes: > 1. The ST has a flicker-free 640x400 mono screen. The Amiga has a flicker-free 1280x400 color screen, with the ECS. > 2. The ST has better "serious" software. A matter of opinion. Not my opinion. I've been in the ST world, and I got out as quickly as I could. > As a parting note, I ended up buying a 386SX PC-clone. *MUCH* smarther than getting an ST. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
db@cs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) (01/22/91)
> The ECS will have a 640x480 with 4 color screen for >multisync monitor owners. That's what I said! If the Amiga is to compete with the new ST and with PC-clones for the "home office" market (as opposed to the video games market, where it is clearly dominant), there needs to be a cheap model with the ECS. There isn't such a beast yet, and Commodore haven't announced any plans for one. Most home users don't want to muck around putting new chips in their machines themselves (and voiding their warranty). I also suggested a cheap mono monitor + (existing) TV as an alternative to an expensive multisync. Finally I suggested putting some speakers in the box, so that people could use either of the above monitors and still get stereo sound. I also said that I didn't believe the comment on the quality of Amiga software. I apologise if the above points weren't clear in my previous article. I thought I was pretty clear. -- Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni. db%lfcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk "The Berlin Wall; the border between East and West Germany. It's very narrow." "*Was* very narrow. Get your tenses right." -- Douglas Adams, THHGTTG.
rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) (01/23/91)
In article <4827@skye.cs.ed.ac.uk> db@lfcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes: >> The ECS will have a 640x480 with 4 color screen for >>multisync monitor owners. > >That's what I said! If the Amiga is to compete with the new ST and with >PC-clones for the "home office" market (as opposed to the video games market, >where it is clearly dominant), there needs to be a cheap model with the ECS. >There isn't such a beast yet, and Commodore haven't announced any plans for >one. Most home users don't want to muck around putting new chips in their >machines themselves (and voiding their warranty). Why release a new Amiga model? Once 2.0 is set in ROM, Commodore will probably start shipping all new Amigas (A2000/2500/500) with the ECS Denise and 2.0 preinstalled! Just as they have done with the Ecs Agnus. The only model which might not have 2.0/ECS Denise is the A500C which is both cheap, and mainly a game machine. (only 512k ram, comes with games) I'm just speculating, but there is no reason to create dozens of different models like Apple does. I think it confuses the Consumer , because it takes more knowledge of 'what model is the best for me.' P.S. The ST is no competition, the Amiga already blew it away. > >-- > Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni. db%lfcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk > >"The Berlin Wall; the border between East and West Germany. It's very narrow." >"*Was* very narrow. Get your tenses right." -- Douglas Adams, THHGTTG.