vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) (03/29/91)
Dave Haynie writes: >In article <N&2-=9%@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>In article <1991Mar22.040419.27268@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >>>1) Attached keyboard is ugly > >>Yep, actually, I wish that C= would use audible IBM-type keyboards. (The only >>thing IBM does right IS their keyboards...) > >Ugh! Say it ain't so! Someone actually likes those IBM keyboards?!? The >PC-AT keyboard layout was designed by the devil itself. A giant CAPS-LOCK key, >and the CTRL key off in never-never land. The only proper keyboard is >something reasonably DEC VT100-ish. You mean VT220-ish, of course, the only sane industry standard keyboard. On the Amiga, I really miss those extra four editing keys above the cursor keys! Hmmm, VT220 keyboards are backwards compatible with the Amiga keyboard, it seems... When can I order mine, Commodore? -- Leonard
ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) (03/29/91)
In article <VINSCI.91Mar28212240@nic.nic.funet.fi> vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes: >Dave Haynie writes: >>In article <N&2-=9%@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>>In article <1991Mar22.040419.27268@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >>>>1) Attached keyboard is ugly >> >>>Yep, actually, I wish that C= would use audible IBM-type keyboards. (The only >>>thing IBM does right IS their keyboards...) >> >>Ugh! Say it ain't so! Someone actually likes those IBM keyboards?!? The >>PC-AT keyboard layout was designed by the devil itself. A giant CAPS-LOCK key, >>and the CTRL key off in never-never land. The only proper keyboard is >>something reasonably DEC VT100-ish. > >You mean VT220-ish, of course, the only sane industry standard >keyboard. On the Amiga, I really miss those extra four editing keys >above the cursor keys! Hmmm, VT220 keyboards are backwards compatible >with the Amiga keyboard, it seems... When can I order mine, Commodore? First, Handshake does quite a good job of making the Amiga keypad the functional duplicate of the VT100/220 keypad. I can EDT using it without having to stop and look for the function keys. Ahhh... When the VT220 was first released I considered it to be flawed in that it was missing ESC and BS keys, and the < and > were in a horrible place. Never mind that ESC, BS, and LF appear on the funciton key row; those only work in VT100 mode. And finally, you should check out the VT420 keyboard. It's about as close to the perfect keyboard as I can think of. -- First comes the logo: C H E C K P O I N T T E C H N O L O G I E S / / ckp@grebyn.com \\ / / Then, the disclaimer: All expressed opinions are, indeed, opinions. \ / o Now for the witty part: I'm pink, therefore, I'm spam! \/
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (03/30/91)
In article <VINSCI.91Mar28212240@nic.nic.funet.fi> vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes: > You mean VT220-ish, of course, the only sane industry standard > keyboard. You mean the keyboard with the "." and "," doubled, and the "<>" key between the Z and the shift key? Bogus. I mean VT-100-ish, the one based on the IBM Selectric, as all good keyboards are. I keep my old Zenith 29 terminal simply because the keyboard is Selectric style... -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (04/02/91)
In article <VINSCI.91Mar28212240@nic.nic.funet.fi> vinsci@nic.funet.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes: >Dave Haynie writes: >>In article <N&2-=9%@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>>Yep, actually, I wish that C= would use audible IBM-type keyboards. (The only >>>thing IBM does right IS their keyboards...) >>Ugh! Say it ain't so! Someone actually likes those IBM keyboards?!? The >>PC-AT keyboard layout was designed by the devil itself. A giant CAPS-LOCK key, >>and the CTRL key off in never-never land. The only proper keyboard is >>something reasonably DEC VT100-ish. >You mean VT220-ish, of course, the only sane industry standard >keyboard. Almost, but not quite. The VT220 is nice in many respects, but it totally beamed out by trying to hide the ESC key in the middle of the top row of keys. Everyone knows it belongs on the end, like the CTRL key, so you can use Emacs and stay sane. My theory is that this was planned. DEC noticed more and more people heaving EDT into the dumpster and using Emacs, and that didn't sit well with them. So they decided to make Emacs architecturally more difficult to use by putting one ugly into their improved keyboard. And the world suffers. I don't have a theory about the PC-AT CAPS-LOCK key. After all, what reasoning is their behind pure madness? -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight" -R.E.M.