limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389) (03/30/91)
In article <NJ.91Mar29120243@magnolia.Berkeley.EDU> nj@magnolia.Berkeley.EDU (Narciso Jaramillo) writes: > There are a whole bunch of word processors out there that are > amazingly fast, with incredibly swift font rendering, instantaneous Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? > The analogy is flawed, of course, but here's my point: There are lots > of people who bought Amigas because they were game machines. On the > other hand, there are lots of people who bought Amigas because they > could be both game machines and productivity machines. If you have a No, the analogy is very good. The "Turnabout Is Fair Play" method is quite effective when two sides are trying to understand each other. I just hope that people *read* what you wrote and took some time to *think* about it. Tom
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (03/30/91)
limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389) writes: >Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration >of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky >algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws >up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? Gee I never noticed any Problem.. I got CED PRo version 2.11 When i do Zmodem downloads tho the system does SLOW down. How can you tell it does s Forbid() ? -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) (03/30/91)
In article <Mar.29.20.42.50.1991.19762@pilot.njin.net>, Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389 writes: > In article <NJ.91Mar29120243@magnolia.Berkeley.EDU> nj@magnolia.Berkeley.EDU (Narciso Jaramillo) writes: > > > There are a whole bunch of word processors out there that are > > amazingly fast, with incredibly swift font rendering, instantaneous > > Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration > of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky > algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws > up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? Oh, I noticed. It's awful when I get corrupted downloads because of zipping through files with CED (Please, don't misunderstand; I am a VERY happy owner of CED 2.11) You can save yourself that happening by lowering the priority of CED to -1 or something. Then CED acts like you're computing in glue [even with a 68030]. :^( My only solution to that problem is not to use CED whilst collecting mail or downloading. Which isn't perfect, by a long stretch. Then again, I do tend to use CED as a generic file browser instead of merely an editor. Dac --
mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) (03/31/91)
In article <yorkw.670308650@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes: >limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389) writes: > >>Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration >>of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky >>algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws >>up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? > >Gee I never noticed any Problem.. I got CED PRo version 2.11 > >When i do Zmodem downloads tho the system does SLOW down. > >How can you tell it does s Forbid() ? > CygnusEd might also be bumping up its priority when it refreshes. > >-- >yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC >The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. >(Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^) -- ******************************************************** * Appendix A of the Amiga Hardware Manual tells you * * everything you need to know to take full advantage * * of the power of the Amiga. And it is only 10 pages! * ********************************************************
wfaust@venus.UUCP (Wolf Faust) (03/31/91)
In article <yorkw.670308650@stable.ecn.purdue.edu>, Willis F York writes: > limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389) writes: > >Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration > >of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky > >algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws > >up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? > Gee I never noticed any Problem.. I got CED PRo version 2.11 I wouldn't blame this on CED. With CED 1.12 you even have the ablity to choose following menu items: - use custom scroll routines - use system scroll routines This new items are specialy added for those users with problems accessing the serial port. Anyway the problem remains with many programs: simply access the menu and hold the right mouse button for 10 seconds... intuition makes a forbid()! So scrolling is fine with CED, but accessing menus for a longer period is still not recommended. CED won't trash your uploads or download if you have setup your buffer/handshake right and you don't hold the menu/scroll for a long time without a break (>5seconds).
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/01/91)
wfaust@venus.UUCP (Wolf Faust) writes: >In article <yorkw.670308650@stable.ecn.purdue.edu>, Willis F York writes: >> limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389) writes: >> >Did anyone notice that CygnusED Pro does a Forbid() for the duration >> >of it's screen scrolls? ...and I thought that they just had a funky >> >algorithm. Now I know why flipping through text files with CED screws >> >up my downloads. Is there a way to disable this? >> Gee I never noticed any Problem.. I got CED PRo version 2.11 >I wouldn't blame this on CED. With CED 1.12 you even have the ablity to >choose following menu items: >- use custom scroll routines >- use system scroll routines >This new items are specialy added for those users with problems >accessing the serial port. Version 1.12? Gee i only have 1.11, where'd ya get the patch for 1.11->1.12? / -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (04/01/91)
In article <wfaust.5428@venus.UUCP> wfaust@venus.UUCP (Wolf Faust) writes: > Anyway the problem remains with many programs: simply access the > menu and hold the right mouse button for 10 seconds... intuition > makes a forbid()! No it doesn't, it just locks all layers. Other screens are not effected. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
dave@unislc.uucp (Dave Martin) (04/06/91)
From article <wfaust.5428@venus.UUCP>, by wfaust@venus.UUCP (Wolf Faust): > Anyway the problem remains with many programs: simply access the > menu and hold the right mouse button for 10 seconds... intuition > makes a forbid()! So scrolling is fine with CED, but accessing > menus for a longer period is still not recommended. CED won't > trash your uploads or download if you have setup your > buffer/handshake right and you don't hold the menu/scroll for a > long time without a break (>5seconds). Intuition does not make a Forbid(). It does a locklayers. basically, anything that tries to output to that screen will be on hold WHEN it tries to modify its display area. Things running on other screens will not stop. Things on the same screen not doing output to the bitmap (through layers.library) will not stop. run something that opens its own screen (perhaps some life program). pull the screen down halfway to expose workbench. While life is running, start something on workbench (such as the lines/boxes/dots demos). Now hold down the menu button, notice that life does not stop but the workbench demo(s) do. Now release menu button, click in life screen, hold down menu button. (Assuming your life program doesn't use the menu button for something else.) See? -- VAX Headroom Speaking for myself only... blah blah blahblah blah... Internet: DMARTIN@CC.WEBER.EDU dave@saltlcy-unisys.army.mil uucp: dave@unislc.uucp or use the Path: line. Now was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized.