dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (03/26/91)
About this amiga 512k crap: Most european amigas are 512k, that's true. Market research has missed one important issue though, most of these users do not buy software, and if they do they buy shoot'em ups or similar software. Users with 1 MB are much more interesting for the companies really. This group is willing to spend more money on quality software. The trend is that most people that continue to use their amigas for more than occasional joystick bashing have upgraded or are about to. Market research is all well and good but quality software is bought by quality users. Regards, Jorgen -- email dvljhg@cs.umu.se | DUMII: Sentinel of the scales Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est." Credo (dei) in absurdum est?
vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) (03/29/91)
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: > About this amiga 512k crap: Most european amigas are 512k, that's true. Marke > research has missed one important issue though, most of these users do not bu > software, and if they do they buy shoot'em ups or similar software. Users wit > 1 MB are much more interesting for the companies really. This group is willin > to spend more money on quality software. The trend is that most people that > continue to use their amigas for more than occasional joystick bashing have > upgraded or are about to. > I guess I'm one case in point where I didn't buy an Amiga for games. And believe it or not, I find that I'm in a rare category of Amiga users that didn't buy the Amiga with awsome games in mind. I got one because of the overall power the computer can exercise. As far as software is concerned, I'd be more willing to buy Amiga software if the overall quality and 'standardness' really starts coming into play. I find myself turning to the IBM realm for high quality software, although I do have to admit that there are software packages for the Amiga that really can't be seen in other computers.... If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't available.... Victor
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (04/01/91)
In article <LyaJZ1w164w@ozonebbs.UUCP> vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) writes: > >If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. >Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm >interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't >available.... > What do you mean these programs aren't available? MAPLE has been available on the Amiga for quite some time and the Amiga Unix port is underway. > Victor -- Ethan Q: How many Comp Sci majors does it take to change a lightbulb A: None. It's a hardware problem.
melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) (04/01/91)
In article <LyaJZ1w164w@ozonebbs.UUCP> vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) writes:
As far as software is concerned, I'd be more willing to buy Amiga software
if the overall quality and 'standardness' really starts coming into play. I
find myself turning to the IBM realm for high quality software, although I
do have to admit that there are software packages for the Amiga that really
can't be seen in other computers....
I don't suppose you have considered the NeXT? Runs PC software in a
window, runs Unix software, and it runs X windows. Supported by major
software companies like Adobe, Lotus, Wingz, Quark, FrameMaker, and
Word Perfect plus thousands of zealots on the internet :-).
If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it.
Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm
interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't
available....
Mathematica comes free with the NeXT if you buy it through a
university. I imagine the 386 version of Mathematica (only version
that runs on DOS machines) will cost you a pretty penny. You just
missed the free Lotus Improv deal that ended today, but you still get
the best computer for the money in the industry.
-Mikecs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) (04/02/91)
In article <LyaJZ1w164w@ozonebbs.UUCP> vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) writes: >If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. >Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm >interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't >available.... Humm, tell that to the 8 MB directory holding Maple on my Hard Drive. I got it for $45 from the micro computing center on campus. > > Victor -- ``NewTek stated that the Toaster *would* *not* be made to directly support the Mac, at this point Sculley stormed out of the booth...'' --- A scene at the recent MacExpo. Gee, you wouldn't think that an Apple Exec would be so worried about one little Amiga device... Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/02/91)
cs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) writes: >>If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. >>Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm >>interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't >>available.... >Humm, tell that to the 8 MB directory holding Maple on my Hard Drive. >I got it for $45 from the micro computing center on campus. Exactly WHAT IS MAPLE? I remember seing it on a Mac, (The icon that is..) But never foggered out what it did. The thing is 8 Meg Big? -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
kuch@reed.edu (04/03/91)
What? Maple for the Amiga for $45!!! No, not 45 factorial dollars, but forty-five, like 4.5 x 10^1??? Really? That cheap? Where? How? Tell me! The best I've heard on Maple from Waterloo's own minions is that it'd be in the hundreds of dollars range. If there's some way of getting it so cheap...
kopnicky@spotted.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) (04/03/91)
What I want to know is, why do Lotus, Adobe, etc. support the NeXT when it has only 10% the installed base of Amigas? I though that was their major gripe about supporting Amiga.... or are they afraid they just might have to write some software that actually looks GOOD under a GUI? - Quantum Seep
melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) (04/03/91)
In article <1991Apr3.071144.21694@rice.edu> kopnicky@spotted.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes:
What I want to know is, why do Lotus, Adobe, etc. support the NeXT when it has only 10% the installed base of Amigas? I though that was their major gripe about supporting Amiga.... or are they afraid they just might have to write some software that actually looks GOOD under a GUI?
Their software looks good under the NeXT GUI :-).
-Mikevsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) (04/04/91)
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > In article <LyaJZ1w164w@ozonebbs.UUCP> vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy > > > >If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. > >Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm > >interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't > >available.... > > > What do you mean these programs aren't available? MAPLE > has been available on the Amiga for quite some time and the Amiga > Unix port is underway. Some people sent me mail about MAPLE... my applogies for that. As for UNIX... all I can say is, "That's great!" But for someone who really doesn't need UNIX, I can't justify spending $6000 (educational price... somewhere there anyways) for an A3000UX just to run the UNIX port of Lotus.. not to mention the limited resources I have available to buy Lotus 1-2-3 for UNIX based machines. Victor PS I do have to say that from what I've seen so far of Amiga software, things are starting to turn.
vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) (04/04/91)
melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes: > > In article <LyaJZ1w164w@ozonebbs.UUCP> vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy > As far as software is concerned, I'd be more willing to buy Amiga software > if the overall quality and 'standardness' really starts coming into play. > find myself turning to the IBM realm for high quality software, although I > do have to admit that there are software packages for the Amiga that reall > can't be seen in other computers.... > > I don't suppose you have considered the NeXT? Runs PC software in a > window, runs Unix software, and it runs X windows. Supported by major > software companies like Adobe, Lotus, Wingz, Quark, FrameMaker, and > Word Perfect plus thousands of zealots on the internet :-). > > If Lotus came out with 1-2-3 for the Amiga, I may actually buy it. > Mathematica or similar programs (MAPLE) is another type of package I'm > interested in... unfortunately, to no avail, these packages aren't > available.... > > Mathematica comes free with the NeXT if you buy it through a > university. I imagine the 386 version of Mathematica (only version > that runs on DOS machines) will cost you a pretty penny. You just > missed the free Lotus Improv deal that ended today, but you still get > the best computer for the money in the industry. > > -Mike Sorry to include the whole deal... but I have to tell you that I considered the NeXTstation (educational price of coarse) for a while (since I don't play video games it really doesn't matter which machine I get). Actually, what's funny is that I got my Amiga about a year ago, less than a year later, I bought an IBM type machine because of certain weaknesses of the Amiga. I've had been in the MS-DOS world for a long while before getting my Amiga, but I actually found myself using the Amiga more because of it's sheer power (and smoothness compared to MS-DOS with or without Windows). Victor
cs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) (04/06/91)
In article <m0jNpfn-0003PHC@reed.edu> kuch@reed.bitnet (Gerald D. Kuch) writes: >What? Maple for the Amiga for $45!!! No, not 45 factorial dollars, but >forty-five, like 4.5 x 10^1??? Really? That cheap? Where? How? Tell me! > >The best I've heard on Maple from Waterloo's own minions is that it'd be in >the hundreds of dollars range. If there's some way of getting it so cheap... Your school or work place has to have already cut a deal with U of Waterloo. I got Maple with manual for $45 from the local school office. Repeat: NOT everyone will be able to get Maple this cheap--- your school MUST have a site license to the software. You may want to check with whatever office handles software distribution on your local campus. Loren J. Rittle -- ``NewTek stated that the Toaster *would* *not* be made to directly support the Mac, at this point Sculley stormed out of the booth...'' --- A scene at the recent MacExpo. Gee, you wouldn't think that an Apple Exec would be so worried about one little Amiga device... Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu