peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) (06/24/91)
In article <BR4Z41w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes: > And unless future Amiga machines clean up the severe MIDI timing problems > they've got now, they never will be. Oh boy, this was a design problem in the first MIDI software on the Amiga, has nothing to do with anything Commodore is responsible for, and hasn't been a *real* problem for years. We've run heavy MIDI streams through multi- program pipes, the MIDI clock on the Amiga (using the CIA timers) never skipped a beat, and CPU usage sat at 9%... -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
kudla@aix01.aix.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) (06/25/91)
ftower@ncar.ucar.EDU (Francis Tower) writes (in comp.sys.atari.st, in reply to our own Tom Hill): >If you need assistance porting to a Cray YMP or a Connection Machine feel free >to contact me. Ah HA, you fell into the trap, you poor, uneducated Atari user!! For after all, how many video businesses do YOU see using the CM or YMP??? HMMM???? Not only that, but you can't play BLAZEMONGER on them, and you can't even get interlaced video!! In the case of the YMP, it DOESN'T EVEN MULTITASK *or* have a blitter or copper to do the mega-cool pirate demos on!! (Sure the CM can do a number of things simultaneously, but guess what? YOU HAVE TO USE A SEPERATE PROCESSOR FOR EACH ONE!!!!!!!!!) But never fear, you can use a cool Amiga 3000 as a front end for either one (or more accurately, you can use either machine as an accelerator card for the Amiga). That way you can play BLAZEMONGER *AND* toast video *AND* get multi-mega-flops!! (Not at the same time, but....) ONLY AMIGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Rob, an Amiga user admittedly, but I really can't stand zealots of any kind. -- Robert Jude Kudla, <kudla@rpi.edu> for the moment.... "Oh, forgive me, Assembly'O'God! Oh Jaysus, I jest stuck the tip in, oh ma god...."
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
The following article belongs in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, NOT comp.sys.atari.st. Please ensure proper newsgroups are used. In article <30289@know.pws.bull.com>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > > darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes: > > %ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > >> Even Atari's best feature, >> good MIDI software, is weakening as several of those authors port their >> software to the Amiga. > > %Ever met a professional producer, Tom? We use the best programs available on > %any computer: C-Lab's CREATOR/NOTATOR for sequencing, Digidesign's ATARI > %SOUND TOOLS for digital audio recording/editing, and POLYFRAME for patch > %editing. None, I repeat, NONE of these have been ported to the Amiga. And > %unless future Amiga machines clean up the severe MIDI timing problems they've > %got now, they never will be. > > In all my reading and experience with the Amiga, I have yet to hear one > complaint about "severe MIDI timing problems". Care to back that up with some > source material? Also, please re-read what I just wrote, as you seem to have > taken it out of context. "Even Atari's best feature, good MIDI software, is > weakening as several of those authors port their software to the Amiga." Did I > mention any of the above titles? The answer is no, but I can promise you that > I always deal in facts. After all, facts are what made me pick the Amiga over > the ST and any other computer in it's price range. Here are a few quotes from > the January 1991 issue of Amiga User International- > > "In 1985 Steinberg introduced an Atari sequencer called the Pro24. It was > good, well ahead of it's time in some respects, and tt's dit rapidly > gained professional acceptance." > > "The fact that Steinberg have released a Pro24 version on the Amiga is > significant in several respects not least in that it indicates that Steinberg > are now prepared to take the Commodore Amiga music market seriously. Make no > mistake...the Amiga, from a technical viewpoint, can run rings around the ST > but because of the lack of music software many musicians had, until fairly > recently, been wondering whether professionally useable packages would ever > arrive." > > "The Amiga version of the Pro24 is not a direct port of the original program- > it's a complete re-write. The aim was nevertheless to produce an enhanced > look-a-like, as opposed to an identical one, and this is something which has > clearly been achieved." > > "With Pro24 Amiga all of this is taken one stage further because the program > runs in the standard multi-tasking environment. Whereas machines like the ST > are struggling to provide the sort of environment in which several programs > can run simultaneously..." > > It goes on to say many nice things about the program. Anyway, beyond this > there are several other Atari software vendors ported their MIDI software to > the Amiga. Some of these (even titles you mentioned) are still in the rumor > stage. > >> On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever. > > %Bzzzt! Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years. > > Oh really? I'd love to hear where you got that information. I can post recent > figures from the source that say we've just had one of the best years. Care > for them? > >> If you need any advice on file conversion, >> where to buy Amiga-related hardware for the best price, information on the >> Atari ST emulators out for the Amiga, or have any other questions related > to > > %I'll save you the time, Tom. Amiga ST emulators blow. They're all slow, > %buggy, and none, I say again NONE, work properly with any MIDI software > %whatsoever. Makes ME want to rush out and buy one, so I can play 32-million- > %coloured games instead of all that WORK I'm getting done now. > > As typed in from the Feb issue of Amiga World, page 109: > > BrainSTorm > > It had to happen and here it is! The MAST ATARI Emulator! > > Make your Atari friends envious - now your Amiga emulates yet another > computer, this time the Atari. BrainSTorm is a software/hardware combination > from MAST Germany that runs 98% of Atari software (approx.), including MIDI > support. It even emulates the Atari keyboard click! All programs should run > except the very small percentage that do direct DMA or program the MFP. It > supports: > > * 8mb Fast RAM, 2mb chip ram > * all ST resolutions including color > * full page monitor emulation with scrolling > * Amiga serial & parallel ports > * all Amiga drives (df0-df3) simultaneously > * two ST's at same time in one Amiga! > * almost ST speed, text is 120% faster, disk 108% > * hardware emulates the ST custom chips, has sockets for Atari ROMS, and does > addr. translation > * Atari PD support on our BBS > > Price is $99 > > Call MAST at (702) 359-0444 > > [END OF FILE] > > Other ST emulators, some in total software, exist for the Amiga also. > >> I have received several requests for >> information to smooth the conversion from the Atari to the Amiga. I do this > as >> a service to fellow computer users. > > %You noble soul! The self-sacrifice! In turn, I offer to help YOU smooth the > %conversion of your lips from their present location to my sweaty posterior. > %I do this as a service! > > This kind of talk leads nowhere and isn't productive to the conversation. If > you want to talk facts then I suggest you stay on the topic. I won't respond > to such remarks as they have nothing to do with the exchange of facts. Please > try to do the same. > > %Tom, I haven't read such a heap of bunk it a long time. If you're frustrated > %that your computer isn't being used in any professional environment, fine. > %But don't come over here and shovel propaganda and outright false statements > %in an effort to get others to join you in your malcontence. Grow up. A "my > %computer is better" rant under any other name smells equally bad, no matter > %how you may attempt to dress it up. > > You insult me and then tell me to grow up? I am willing to ignore attacks by > insecure users in order to help those who need the kind of information I am > providing. So far I have received mail from well over ten Atari users who > need help in converting to the Amiga. This makes it worth cutting through your > kind of message. If your not interested in leaving your ST for the Amiga then > I'm glad to hear it, but don't make things rough for those who want to. > > Tom > -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
The following article belongs in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. Please direct similar subjects to this newsgroup. In article <1991Jun24.222634.30979@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > In article <1991Jun24.172215.816@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes: >> >>I wonder how far have you gone in comparing AMIGA machines to others, >>AMIGA Fusion Forty Accelerator board is worse than a 486-25 Performance. >>AMIGA flickers quite alot, NTSC standard VGA cards are available to IBM >>with non-flicker options. >> > The first point you make isn't a computer war, but a chip > war. The 040 is faster than the 486 at the same clock speed, > period. A 486/50 is probably marginally faster than the 040 > (except under MS-DOS), but it is still close. The 040 25MHz does > appr. 18-22 MIPS depending on who you believe (I know how > meaningless that is, but we are talking all CISC chips, not RISC, > so isn't a terrible statistic). I believe the 486 is about 12. > As to flicker, the A3000 comes with a flicker-fixer built > in. Commodore sells a board for just over $200 which will > deinterlace output on all 2000 machines. Both use standard IBM > VGA ports. There is a 3rd party deinterlacer for the 500 as well. > -- Ethan > > FF buckets of bits on the bus, FF buckets of bits. > Take one down, Pass it to ground, > FE buckets of bits on the bus. -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
The following article belongs in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. In article <30290@know.pws.bull.com>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > > revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes: > > % Now, Thomas Hill's endless touting of the Amiga struck me as more > %than a little strange. Not because some of his facts might be wrong, or > %because he was presuming to know things about the ST marketplace that we > %didn't. > > Please be specific about what I was wrong about. Like I've said before, I > don't make a statement unless I have the facts and figures to back it up. > > % But think about this; Thomas Hill goes out of his way to bust on ST > %users, and wants to convince us to use Amigas. Granted, they're nice > %machines-- my roommate just bought a 3000-- but why is Thomas Hill so > %messianic about them? > > I don't "bust on" ST users. I never get into needless remarks and childish > statements. Presenting the facts and offering ST users help is not what I call > "busting" on ST users. > > % I can understand, halfway, if Thomas had found Jesus or had submitted > %to the will of Allah, and wanted us to do the same. But why is Thomas so > %wrapped up in what computers we own? Is he an Amiga salesperson? A Commodore > %marketing manager? Why, exactly, is he so emotionally committed to making > %sure that we own HIS kind of machine? Does owning an ST constitute a moral > %affront to him? > > I'm not an Amiga salesperson (though I'd love to be), but I am hoping to help > those who buy computers based on no facts. > > % Issues of STs and Amigas aside, I think it's pretty clear that Thomas > %has some problems. Not even the do-or-die Commodore 64 fans I know-- mainly > %children with few other interests to hold their allegiances-- get as worked > %up as THomas does. I can think of a dozen better causes for Thomas to worry > %about-- say, supporting the Electronic Freedom Foundation, or better, using > %his fables Amiga to crank out letters on behalf of Amnesty International. > > "Worked up"? Pardon me, but where in my message do I get "worked up". I pride > myself on staying away form this kind of thing. > > % In short: what sort of deranged, socially-deprived noodnik would give > %a tinker's dam about what computer anyone else uses-- and would actively > %campaign to sell merchandise that he has no immediate financial stake in? > %Heck, I've seen more rational stuff coming out of Jesus freaks. > > It always works out this way. When a person can not support his end of the > conversation (this is about computers, not egos) he will resort to attacking > the personality of the person he is dealing with. I don't need to call you > names to support my argumentation. Please try to do the same. > > Tom -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
The following article belongs in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. In article <30291@know.pws.bull.com>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > > rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) writes: > > % I'm just wondering what our dear friend over in Commie-land (Amiga, not > %USSR <grin>) would feel if someone were to step into their message > %base and kindly show them how to convert over from Commodore to the > %Atari. While this is called a "friendly" thing, for one no one on here > %asked for this "help." If someone wants help, do it in PRIVATE. > %It remins me of something done in wartime and even during Desert Storm: > %drop tons of propoganda on the enemy telling them step by step how > %to surrender (many of the Iraqi soldiers who surrendered carried these > %"information slips"). > > If you can find some good solid reasons for Amiga users to convert to the > Atari, your more than welcome to give it a try. However, I find it hard to > believe that you can find faults with a computer that is clearly a better > machine than the ST. > > % While I admit it is a stretch comparing this to the war, the point > %is that the same strategy/technique is being employed. > > Didn't we win that war? Sorry, couldn't resist! :) > > % or in short: I didn't ask, I don't remember seeing ANY postings here > %about it, and thus we really ain't interested in your "help." > %So I kindly ask our noble friend to save his blessings for those > %who want and need it - in the Commodore section... > > I didn't say you did. I have, however, received many messages just on our > local Free-Net from Atari users needing information. Where there is smoke > there is fire, so I thought I'd offer my help to anybody on UseNet. Turns > out that I was right, as many responses have been had. I also got about 20 > negative responses, but those don't bother me much. > > Tom -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
The following article actually belonged to e-mail, but, if public, belongs in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. In article <30292@know.pws.bull.com>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > > steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes: > > %You and the ill-mannered Amiga fanatic from Cleveland Freenet are > %engaging in a public pissing match, posting lists of messages from > %Freenet's Commodore forums and recycling ignorant, inflammatory, > %ill-intended messages. > > It sure does look like your doing the same thing, but I take exception to > your remark that I am "ill-mannered". I don't post inflammatory messages > directed at users. If the facts upset you then I'm sorry, but please don't > rebel in a "ill-intended" manner. :) I have yet to attack a user on this > subject and I hope I never do. > > Tom -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
It would appear that Mr. Tsuji is correct, and the proper newsgroup for Amiga users who wish to espouse the glories of their machine is here, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. In article <5910@wucc.waseda.ac.jp>, ytsuji@wucc.waseda.ac.jp (Y.Tsuji) writes: > This has been really horrible. Will you please use 'Amiga' word in the > subject or in the summary so that we can ignore you easily? > > We own Atari and are thinking very hard how to get the best from it. > Not one of us will ever infiltrate into MSDOS or Mac user groups and > say my machine is better than yours and mine can run your software > better etc. It would help no one ; it just vexes people. > > Tsuji -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
Redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where this who thread belongs. In article <1991Jun25.010418.2955@Sugar.NeoSoft.com>, peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article <30289@know.pws.bull.com> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: >> In all my reading and experience with the Amiga, I have yet to hear one >> complaint about "severe MIDI timing problems". > > There were a bunch of them back when Deluxe Music Construction Set and > SoundScape first came out. It seems they did a poor job of handling timing > and some folks interpreted that as being an Amiga problem. > > Like when the first TOS ROM upgrade came out and broke a bunch of poorly > written terminal emulators. Or when the first >1M Macs came out and > Microsoft's software started breaking. Or the TSR WARS on the IBM-PC. > > Computers are always getting bad reps from application software. > -- > Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>. > 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?" -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu (06/25/91)
Redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where this whole thread belongs. In article <1991Jun25.005920.2754@Sugar.NeoSoft.com>, peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article <1991Jun24.172215.816@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes: >> What do you define as a REAL COMPUTER? > > One I don't have to throw out the shipped operating system to use effectively. > >> I wonder how far have you gone in comparing AMIGA machines to others, >> AMIGA Fusion Forty Accelerator board is worse than a 486-25 Performance. > > I get better response on my 1000, let alone my 3000, than Microsoft > Windows or X Windows provide on that 486/25... > -- > Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>. > 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?" -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
rkushner@sycom.UUCP (Ronald Kushner) (06/26/91)
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes: >Redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where this whole thread belongs. > > >In article <1991Jun25.005920.2754@Sugar.NeoSoft.com>, peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com >> In article <1991Jun24.172215.816@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU >>> What do you define as a REAL COMPUTER? >> >> One I don't have to throw out the shipped operating system to use effectivel >> >>> I wonder how far have you gone in comparing AMIGA machines to others, >>> AMIGA Fusion Forty Accelerator board is worse than a 486-25 Performance. >> >> I get better response on my 1000, let alone my 3000, than Microsoft >> Windows or X Windows provide on that 486/25... >> -- >> Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>. >> 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?" >-- > >David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu > Dave, I have mailed most of these back to you, and as I stated, if I wanted to read what was in the Atari group, I would on my own... Maybe we all should move over there, they don't have as much traffic and could use a boost.. -- C-UseNet V0.42e Ronald Kushner Life in Hell BBS +1 (313) 939-6666 P.O. Box 353 14400 USR HST V.42 & V.42bis Sterling Heights, MI 48311-0353 Complete Amiga Support UUCP: uunet!umich!vela!sycom!rkushner (We are not satanic, just NUTS!) Whats wrong with Detroit? Name it, we got it, and if we don't WE'LL TAKE IT!
peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) (06/27/91)
In article <1991Jun24.234414.1@simvax.labmed.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes: > Redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where this who thread belongs. [followed by the entire message] Get a clue and learn how to use news. (followups directed to the appropriate group) -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"