ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) (06/26/91)
This is a reply to all the people who have nothing better to do then to whine on about all the amiga criticism they can think of. Things like: - Commodore should invest more in R&D (MB's favorit). - Commodore should invest more in advertising. - The amiga should have 24 bits graphics. - etc. etc. Now I know that the amiga isn't perfect but I am quiet happy with it. As far as I know most of you use the amiga so why are you complaining? If you think another system can do things better for a better price buy that system and start posting these messages in their .advocacy group. If we all started to think positive and post some messages about the things the Amiga is good at and its advantages over other systems maybee we can change some new c.s.a.* readers mind and make him buy an Amiga instead of another system. (that'll give new users without an advertising budget :-) Please send all replies by email. the newssystem is not very good at routing messages to my site so most of your replies will probably endup in some far corner of the universe, and for a change I'm happy about it. As a last word I must pay my respect to Ethan for his never ending fight against all negative publications that show up in this group. So long, -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ronald van Eijck {eunet!}hp4nl!cbmnlux!ecl014!ronald | | | | We do the impossible at once for a miracle we need a little more time | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu (Malcolm Diallo Moore) (06/26/91)
In article <ronald.4032@ecl014.UUCP$ ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) writes:
$This is a reply to all the people who have nothing better to do then to
$whine on about all the amiga criticism they can think of. Things like:
$- Commodore should invest more in R&D (MB's favorit).
$- Commodore should invest more in advertising.
$- The amiga should have 24 bits graphics.
$- etc. etc.
$
$Now I know that the amiga isn't perfect but I am quiet happy with it. As
$far as I know most of you use the amiga so why are you complaining? If you
$think another system can do things better for a better price buy that
$system and start posting these messages in their .advocacy group.
But we're the only ones that HAVE a .advocacy group. Now what do you con-
sider the group's existence as? Strictly pride, or a sense of security?
$If we all started to think positive and post some messages about the things
$the Amiga is good at and its advantages over other systems maybee we can
$change some new c.s.a.* readers mind and make him buy an Amiga instead of
$another system. (that'll give new users without an advertising budget :-)
That's all fine and dandy, you know, but how can you be satisfied at how
Commodore is pushing their product? Yeah yeah yeah they don't have money,
blase this that and the other. Who said they had to go bankrupt doing ad-
vertising? Start small, make a little cash, use some of that cash to make
bigger and better advertisements, etc. etc. But Commodore is doing nothing!
And if they are doing something, it's a piss-poor, half done effort. I think
you should hear about a product more than once a year. You HAVE to get
your product out in the spotlight, if you want it to be bought. People are
gonna get the first thing (or choose from one of the first things) they see.
They don't have time to go looking in nooks and crannies for a computer that
may or may not be better. They're lazy. An amiga 500 is better than any
286/12 as far as sound/graphics/power is concerned, but if you can't see it,
you can't buy it. Commodore has to make an effort to have their product seen,
and so far I don't see any kind of effort.
There's nothing wrong with the machines out right now. I mean, there could
be improvements, no doubt, but it's nothing that'll make C= keel over. However,
the machines can't be used if they're not out so John Q Customer can see them.
Because most of the Customer family ('cept maybe Benny, John Q's second cousin)
doesn't know the difference.
P.S. Flame away if you like. My mailbox automatically shreds incoming flame
mail.
**********************Malcolm "The Capital MD" Moore**************************
* * The * "Every motherf*cker *
* CHICAGO BULLS * Microcomputer & Workstation * with a color is *
* THE 1991 * Networks Center * most wanted." *
* NBA * would have to PAY me * *
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*******[AMIGA]*************mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu]*****************************Harvey_Taylor@mindlink.bc.ca (Harvey Taylor) (06/26/91)
In <ronald.4032@ecl014.UUCP>, ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) writes: | | As a last word I must pay my respect to Ethan for his never ending fight | against all negative publications that show up in this group. Interesting. I tend to discount him for the same reason. Neither mindless boosterism nor doomsaying make it. Of course nobody is going to agree to those self definitions. I wonder if any aspiring sociological types have done studies of product loyalty. It is more likely that some marketing school has. There is a parallel thread pondering the MCIBTYC mentality which is often displayed. Age is definitely part of it. After you have bought the latest & greatest 3 or 4 times, it's difficult to avoid clueing in. There is also a little bit of ego involved. I mean you, dear buyer, went & put down xxx hard earned dollars for your computer & you don't want to think that you might have made a mistake. What are other factors? -het "People in North America are so affluent and so unhappy, it seems all out of whack." -Heather Lockely [African volunteer teacher] Harvey Taylor Meta Media Productions uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Harvey_Taylor a186@mindlink.bc.ca
chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) (06/28/91)
I find it interesting that people like -MB- scream that they want CBM to invest money into R&D and Advertising, yet they refuse to help CBM accomplish this task. A recent message by -MB- stated that he refused to help CBM Advertise, well, YOUR the one that wants CBM to advertise, so why not help out when CBM asks for your assistance? Alot of people seem to be very hipocritical when it comes to things like this. "I want the 3000 to have x, x, x, x and x.. say, anyone got a used 1000 without ehb?" know what i mean? You want miracles but refuse to pay for them. .--------------------------------------------------------------------------. | UUCP: {amdahl!tcnet, crash}!orbit!pnet51!chucks | "I know he's come back | | ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!chucks@nosc.mil | from the dead, but do | | INET: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org | you really think he's | |-------------------------------------------------| moved back in?" | | Amiga programmer at large, employment options | Lou Diamond Philips in | | welcome, inquire within. | "The First Power". | `--------------------------------------------------------------------------'
es1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (06/28/91)
In article <ronald.4032@ecl014.UUCP> ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) writes: > >As a last word I must pay my respect to Ethan for his never ending fight >against all negative publications that show up in this group. > <blush 8> -- Ethan FF buckets of bits on the bus, FF buckets of bits. Take one down, Short it to ground, FE buckets of bits on the bus.
es1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (06/28/91)
In article <6513@mindlink.bc.ca> Harvey_Taylor@mindlink.bc.ca (Harvey Taylor) writes: > >In <ronald.4032@ecl014.UUCP>, ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) writes: >| >| As a last word I must pay my respect to Ethan for his never ending fight >| against all negative publications that show up in this group. > > Interesting. I tend to discount him for the same reason. Neither > mindless boosterism nor doomsaying make it. Of course nobody is going to > agree to those self definitions. Hmm... What have I said to give you that opinion. Seriously. Cause I don't consider myself an "Amiga is the best, die Mac scum" sort. 8-) I too have serious reservations as to whether or not the Amiga will penetrate into markets besides games and video, and how successful it'll be in multimedia. I just try to correct what I consider to be "extreme" positions. So, for the record, I don't consider myself to be a jingoist, and if I come off like one, send me nasty email, please! 8-) -- Ethan FF buckets of bits on the bus, FF buckets of bits. Take one down, Short it to ground, FE buckets of bits on the bus.