ltaylor@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Laura Taylor) (05/22/91)
I called Plato Computers myself to find out if they were offering monitors with their A3000s for the Power Up Upgrade and they said that no they weren't. They said that they did this for a few people, but aren't doing it anymore. /laura
ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) (05/22/91)
In article <1991May21.204508.3427@HQ.Ileaf.COM> ltaylor@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Laura Taylor) writes: >I called Plato Computers myself to find out if they were >offering monitors with their A3000s for the Power Up Upgrade >and they said that no they weren't. They said that they did >this for a few people, but aren't doing it anymore. This is true guys. I am sorry to say that Commodore stopped him from continuing the offer. It appears that a few dealers caught wind of this and through a fit to Commodore. Commodore checked into it, admitted that it was their falt on the wording of the offer to the dealers, and asked him to stop selling (or was it giving) these systems away. The bottom line is, the winers won. OH well, hope you were one of the lucky 15 that actually got the deal. What can I say, I was one of the poor slobs that paid the BIG BUCKS last year when the box came out, but I'm not complaining, I've had my killer A3000 for a year now, and have gotten an extra years enjoyment out of it. See ya all later, Mike... > >/laura -- ============================================================================= Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk =============================================================================
sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (05/23/91)
In article <1991May22.015227.24550@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: > In article <1991May21.204508.3427@HQ.Ileaf.COM> ltaylor@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Laura Taylor) writes: >>I called Plato Computers myself to find out if they were >>offering monitors with their A3000s for the Power Up Upgrade >>and they said that no they weren't. They said that they did >>this for a few people, but aren't doing it anymore. > > This is true guys. I am sorry to say that Commodore stopped him from > continuing the offer. It appears that a few dealers caught wind of this and > through a fit to Commodore. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe the fact that the dealer kit from Commodore contained one letter from the distributor stating that the deals couldn't be mixed, and another from the Vice President of CBM sales stating that the Power up deal couldn't be mixed with any other promotions made them wonder what PLATO was doing? Dealers weren't supposed to be confused when they began to lose customers to another place offering something that their contracts expressly forbid them from offering? >Commodore checked into it, admitted that it was > their falt on the wording of the offer to the dealers, and asked him to stop > selling (or was it giving) these systems away. Their fault? I doubt it. If the dealer had read his contract carefully enough, or listened to people who called him questioning the deal, he might have done better. Instead he spread misinformation and tried to pull a fast one over on Commodore and his distributor. >The bottom line is, the > winers won. Oh really? Sounds to me like you don't care where the deal comes from, as long as its cheap. I assume you wouldn't have cared if the monitors had been stolen from other dealers (essentially they were)? It didn't bother you that by scamming his distributor this guy was selling at a figure that was probably BELOW dealer cost? > OH well, hope you were one of the lucky 15 that actually got > the deal. What can I say, I was one of the poor slobs that paid the BIG > BUCKS last year when the box came out, but I'm not complaining, I've had my > killer A3000 for a year now, and have gotten an extra years enjoyment out > of it. > See ya all later, Mike... > >> >>/laura > > > -- > ============================================================================= > Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) > UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk > ============================================================================= Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally undercutting them. Doug SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU
sbkrys@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Barry Kryshka, MN) (05/24/91)
> Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting > misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every > dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? > There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer > received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and > asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID > his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both > deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you > flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally > undercutting them. > > Doug > SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU P.S. Doug is a dealer. -- Barry Kryshka at Macalester College-a feisty but small liberal arts place sbkrys@macalstr.edu Minnesota
ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) (05/24/91)
In article <1991May22.211813.585@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: >In article <1991May22.015227.24550@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: >> In article <1991May21.204508.3427@HQ.Ileaf.COM> ltaylor@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Laura Taylor) writes: >>>I called Plato Computers myself to find out if they were >>>offering monitors with their A3000s for the Power Up Upgrade >>>and they said that no they weren't. They said that they did >>>this for a few people, but aren't doing it anymore. >> >> This is true guys. I am sorry to say that Commodore stopped him from >> continuing the offer. It appears that a few dealers caught wind of this and >> through a fit to Commodore. > > Gee, I wonder why? Maybe the fact that the dealer kit from Commodore >contained one letter from the distributor stating that the deals couldn't be >mixed, and another from the Vice President of CBM sales stating that the >Power up deal couldn't be mixed with any other promotions made them wonder >what PLATO was doing? Dealers weren't supposed to be confused when they began >to lose customers to another place offering something that their contracts >expressly forbid them from offering? Thats bogus bull! Havn't you been reading the net before posting. A few messages back is an article stating the someones dealer (NOT Plato) stated they too could have offered the deal, they just didn't want to loose the extra $500.00 profit. He admitted it to his customer!!! > > Their fault? I doubt it. If the dealer had read his contract >carefully enough, or listened to people who called him questioning the deal, he >might have done better. Instead he spread misinformation and tried to pull a >fast one over on Commodore and his distributor. Pull a fast one over on his distributor, his distributor was the one who pointed out the deal in the first place. He is the one that made it possible. > >>The bottom line is, the >> winers won. > > Oh really? Sounds to me like you don't care where the deal comes from, >as long as its cheap. I assume you wouldn't have cared if the monitors had >been stolen from other dealers (essentially they were)? It didn't bother you Stolen: Get real, Commodore Gave them to him. Better watch your accusations. >that by scamming his distributor this guy was selling at a figure that was >probably BELOW dealer cost? As I said, his distributor made it possible. He was loving it, he made money too. >Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting >misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every My guess is that you are NOT one of the 15 that got the free monitor. Bummer, sorry your so upset. As far as misinformation goes, I simply passed on what my dealer told me. The deal existed, now it don't. Don't blame me, I was just trying to help the folks on the net. I GOT NOTHING FROM THIS!!!! NOT ONE LOUSY CENT!!! So get off my back. >dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? >There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer >received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and >asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID >his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both >deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you >flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally >undercutting them. Illegally undercutting them, give me a break, if it was so illigal, how come Commodore honored the 15 that he already sold? Why didn't they throw him in jail for stealing the monitor from the other dealers (as you put it)? What a joke, grow up, all is fair in love and retail!!! > > Doug > SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU -- ============================================================================= Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk =============================================================================
ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) (05/24/91)
In article <1991May23.134944.589@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sbkrys@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Barry Kryshka, MN) writes: >> Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting >> misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every >> dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? >> There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer >> received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and >> asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID >> his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both >> deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you >> flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally >> undercutting them. >> >> Doug >> SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU > > > >P.S. Doug is a dealer. Figures!!! > >-- >Barry Kryshka at Macalester College-a feisty but small liberal arts place >sbkrys@macalstr.edu Minnesota -- ============================================================================= Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk =============================================================================
sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (05/29/91)
]In article <1991May23.195942.23691@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: > In article <1991May22.211813.585@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: >>In article <1991May22.015227.24550@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: >>> In article <1991May21.204508.3427@HQ.Ileaf.COM> ltaylor@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Laura Taylor) writes: >>>>I called Plato Computers myself to find out if they were >>>>offering monitors with their A3000s for the Power Up Upgrade >>>>and they said that no they weren't. They said that they did >>>>this for a few people, but aren't doing it anymore. >>> >>> This is true guys. I am sorry to say that Commodore stopped him from >>> continuing the offer. It appears that a few dealers caught wind of this and >>> through a fit to Commodore. >> >> Gee, I wonder why? Maybe the fact that the dealer kit from Commodore >>contained one letter from the distributor stating that the deals couldn't be >>mixed, and another from the Vice President of CBM sales stating that the >>Power up deal couldn't be mixed with any other promotions made them wonder >>what PLATO was doing? Dealers weren't supposed to be confused when they began >>to lose customers to another place offering something that their contracts >>expressly forbid them from offering? > > Thats bogus bull! Havn't you been reading the net before posting. A few > messages back is an article stating the someones dealer (NOT Plato) stated > they too could have offered the deal, they just didn't want to loose the > extra $500.00 profit. He admitted it to his customer!!! > >> >> Their fault? I doubt it. If the dealer had read his contract >>carefully enough, or listened to people who called him questioning the deal, he >>might have done better. Instead he spread misinformation and tried to pull a >>fast one over on Commodore and his distributor. > Pull a fast one over on his distributor, his distributor was the one who > pointed out the deal in the first place. He is the one that made it possible. > >> >>>The bottom line is, the >>> winers won. >> >> Oh really? Sounds to me like you don't care where the deal comes from, >>as long as its cheap. I assume you wouldn't have cared if the monitors had >>been stolen from other dealers (essentially they were)? It didn't bother you > > Stolen: Get real, Commodore Gave them to him. Better watch your accusations. > >>that by scamming his distributor this guy was selling at a figure that was >>probably BELOW dealer cost? > As I said, his distributor made it possible. He was loving it, he made > money too. > >>Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting >>misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every > > My guess is that you are NOT one of the 15 that got the free monitor. > Bummer, sorry your so upset. As far as misinformation goes, I simply passed > on what my dealer told me. The deal existed, now it don't. Don't blame me, > I was just trying to help the folks on the net. I GOT NOTHING FROM THIS!!!! > NOT ONE LOUSY CENT!!! So get off my back. Mike, I'm sorry, but your wrong, plain wrong. I told you you were mistaken from the start, and I find your incessent refusal to believe the truth frustrating. Here's the deal. I understand why your frustrated; Plato lied to you too, and thats probably why your confused. I'll type in a letter from the Power Up dealer pack to help you get the picture. If you want, I can mail you a xerox copy (I'll have to check with my boss first on that, though.) Here goes: ----- April 29, 1991 Dear Commodore Authorized Reseller: Commodore is pleased to announce a special offer on Amiga 3000-16/50 and 1950 monitors. From now until June 30, 1991, or until supplies last, you will receive a FREE 1950 monitor with every A3000-15/50 purchased at your regular dealer cost. This program is not valid in conjunction with any other Commodore dealer incentive, promotion or special pricing program. That includes the Power Up program. Amiga 3000s purchased on a Power Up order form, at a reduced dealer price, wil not be shipped with a free 1950 monitor. If you have any questions regarding the program, please contact your Commodore Sales Representative. Sincerely, Ronald E. Stanczak Vice President, Sales. ----- If Plato was an authorized dealer, then they should have received one of these. In fact, I called them and told them that the deals couldn't be mixed more than once. They, like you, ignored me. > >>dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? >>There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer >>received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and >>asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID >>his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both >>deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you >>flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally >>undercutting them. > > Illegally undercutting them, give me a break, if it was so illigal, how come > Commodore honored the 15 that he already sold? Why didn't they throw him in > jail for stealing the monitor from the other dealers (as you put it)? I was speaking figuratively-- if dealers buy from the distributor, and he steals monitors from them (via scam or their own ignorance) it is the other dealers who will have to pay in the end, through higher costs. Your right in a way, though, because some of those costs would have probably been passed on to the customers. I guess it was more like stealing from the customers and the dealers... > > What > a joke, grow up, all is fair in love and retail!! I think that sums up your attitude best. I guess it didn't matter who suffered, as long as someone got something on the cheap. > >> >> Doug >> SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU > > > -- > ============================================================================= > Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) > UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk > ============================================================================= Doug SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU
sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (05/29/91)
In article <1991May23.211215.26729@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: > In article <1991May23.134944.589@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sbkrys@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Barry Kryshka, MN) writes: >>> Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting >>> misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every >>> dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? >>> There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer >>> received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and >>> asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID >>> his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both >>> deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you >>> flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally >>> undercutting them. >>> >>> Doug >>> SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU >> >> >> >>P.S. Doug is a dealer. > Figures!!! >> >>-- >>Barry Kryshka at Macalester College-a feisty but small liberal arts place >>sbkrys@macalstr.edu Minnesota > > > -- > ============================================================================= > Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) > UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk > ============================================================================= Sigh. First, I don't actually own a dealership, I just work in one. I had thought that the fact that I mentioned the contents of the CBM Power Up mailing to dealers might indicate that I worked at a dealer, but I guess someone felt the need to point it out again. I assume the fact that I work part time on a non-comission basis means that I'm a disgusting capitalist pig. Please. Everything I've told you is true. It became frustrating to us when our customers would call us up, tell us about Plato, and accuse us of stealing from them, because of the psuedo-information you posted, and because of Plato's attempt to scam their distributor. Listen, if anyone wants more information, I have it. The dealer's never got the free monitor with the power up. There was no consipracy on the part of every dealer in the country except for Plato to screw the customer. I find it ironic that to some, they look like heros because they tried to sell a ton of Amiga's in violation of contract at the expense of those who played by the rules (and didn't break the law.) If you have any more questions, e-mail me. Doug SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU
ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) (05/29/91)
In article <1991May28.182036.606@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: >In article <1991May23.211215.26729@swbatl.sbc.com>, ammrk@swbatl.sbc.com (Mike R. Kraml) writes: >> In article <1991May23.134944.589@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sbkrys@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Barry Kryshka, MN) writes: >>>> Gee Mike, maybe you should have thought before you started posting >>>> misinformation all over the nets. Aren't you the user who told use every >>>> dealer got the free monitor, but that only PLATO was giving them away free? >>>> There was a tasty bit of misinformation, considering the fact that NO dealer >>>> received the free monitor with the power up deal. When I called Plato and >>>> asked what was up, the guy on the other end of the phone told me how STUPID >>>> his distributor was, how if he filled out seperate forms, he could get both >>>> deals. Doesn't sound very honest, does it? Maybe you should think before you >>>> flame every dealer in the country for trying to find out who was illegally >>>> undercutting them. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU >>> >>> >>> >>>P.S. Doug is a dealer. >> Figures!!! >>> >>>-- >>>Barry Kryshka at Macalester College-a feisty but small liberal arts place >>>sbkrys@macalstr.edu Minnesota >> >> >> -- >> ============================================================================= >> Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) >> UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk >> ============================================================================= > >Sigh. First, I don't actually own a dealership, I just work in one. I had >thought that the fact that I mentioned the contents of the CBM Power Up mailing >to dealers might indicate that I worked at a dealer, but I guess someone felt >the need to point it out again. I assume the fact that I work part time on a >non-comission basis means that I'm a disgusting capitalist pig. Please. >Everything I've told you is true. It became frustrating to us when our >customers would call us up, tell us about Plato, and accuse us of stealing from >them, because of the psuedo-information you posted, and because of Plato's >attempt to scam their distributor. Listen, if anyone wants more information, I >have it. The dealer's never got the free monitor with the power up. There was >no consipracy on the part of every dealer in the country except for Plato to >screw the customer. I find it ironic that to some, they look like heros >because they tried to sell a ton of Amiga's in violation of contract at the >expense of those who played by the rules (and didn't break the law.) > >If you have any more questions, e-mail me. > > Doug > SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU -- ============================================================================= Mike Kraml - Manager-Finance MECHANIZATION - SWBT - (the HARD Hack) UUCP: {uunet, bellcore, texbell}...!swbatl.sbc.com!ammrk =============================================================================
FINEBERG@WUMS2.WUSTL.EDU (Charlie Fineberg) (05/30/91)
In following the conversation between Doug and Mike, I don't think that Doug realizes that Mike and I know Plato computers and know that they wouldn't intentionally jeopardize their relatively newly one Commodore dealership. During the GAC (Gateway Amiga Club) meeting on May 1st, the representative from Plato computers mentioned that if you bought a 3000/16 system, Commodore was giving a monitor to the dealer. Since he has a new dealership he thought the publicity was worth the loss of Commodore's gift and he would be willing to pass the monitor on to the user. The other dealers, even those at the meeting, did not find it hard to say "thats his perogative". Later that evening some members of the club asked him to call C= about adding the 1950 to the power up deal. He said he would check, but didn't, before a large group of Amiga enthusiasts, say he would do it. I didn't hear of his deal until a week later. Why decide to "steal" from people after your best opportunity has passed? I can only conclude that he did as he said. He checked with C=. He'd been doing that a lot anyway to make sure he was meeting at least the minimum requirements to keep his dealership. If C= and Plato had problems in communication (obviously he either did not get the quoted letter, or did not get by the time he started giving 1950 monitors away) whos fault is that? When on the phone did you ask if he had gotten the letter of April 29th? He was learning of incentive plans strictly on the phone at that time. Or through the other dealers in town. (Who were probably just as pissed when he added the two deals together.) So for almost a week Plato offered a deal which Commodore didn't intend on offering, but ARE supporting, and a few people got cheaper 3000/16's. It seems to me that when C= saw the mistake they corrected it and did the right thing. They said no more, but we're not going to lose this new dealer. So lets mellow out, there's not just one heavy and a posse of good guys. There was miscommunication and a willingness for the Amiga market not to think about the good of all involved. Charlie P.S. I have no affiliation with Plato and didn't buy one of the packages in question. -- Charlie Fineberg Biochemistry Dept., Wash. U. Sch. of Medicine (WUMS) Box 8231, 4566 Scott Ave. BITNET: FINEBERG@WUMS St. Louis, MO 63110 internet: fineberg@wums2.wustl.edu
monty@sagpd1 (05/30/91)
In article <1991May28.180142.605@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: > >Dear Commodore Authorized Reseller: > > >Commodore is pleased to announce a special offer on Amiga 3000-16/50 and 1950 >monitors. From now until June 30, 1991, or until supplies last, you will >receive a FREE 1950 monitor with every A3000-15/50 purchased at your regular >dealer cost. > >This program is not valid in conjunction with any other Commodore dealer >incentive, promotion or special pricing program. That includes the Power Up >program. Amiga 3000s purchased on a Power Up order form, at a reduced dealer >price, wil not be shipped with a free 1950 monitor. > Doug, The way I read this is if a dealer ordered A3000-15/50 at their normal dealer cost that a A1950 would be included free. Now this states that the A3000's bought for the Powerup program were at a different cost. If so why would it be wrong for the dealer to buy both types and pass on the monitor to the previous C= customer, as long as he bought the correct amount of each type? Sounds to me like a dealer that thought more of previous customer than new customers and I say good for him! If this is what happened then please do like the wolf and give up on the "sour grapes". Monty Saine
sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (05/31/91)
In article <1991May29.231628.28917@sagpd1>, monty@sagpd1 writes: > In article <1991May28.180142.605@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdfusc@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: >> >>Dear Commodore Authorized Reseller: >> >> >>Commodore is pleased to announce a special offer on Amiga 3000-16/50 and 1950 >>monitors. From now until June 30, 1991, or until supplies last, you will >>receive a FREE 1950 monitor with every A3000-15/50 purchased at your regular >>dealer cost. >> >>This program is not valid in conjunction with any other Commodore dealer >>incentive, promotion or special pricing program. That includes the Power Up >>program. Amiga 3000s purchased on a Power Up order form, at a reduced dealer >>price, wil not be shipped with a free 1950 monitor. >> > > Doug, > > The way I read this is if a dealer ordered A3000-15/50 at their normal > dealer cost that a A1950 would be included free. Now this states that > the A3000's bought for the Powerup program were at a different cost. > If so why would it be wrong for the dealer to buy both types and pass > on the monitor to the previous C= customer, as long as he bought the > correct amount of each type? Sounds to me like a dealer that thought > more of previous customer than new customers and I say good for him! > > If this is what happened then please do like the wolf and give up > on the "sour grapes". > > Monty Saine You are 100% correct. If that was what happened, I would have no right complain. It isn't. He would have had to stock the excess, full price 3000s and give away the monitors to the power up types. Nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't the case; this dealer was trying to get his distributor to send him the free monitors with machines bought at the power up price. That is why Commodore shut him down. Doug SDFUSC@MACALSTR.EDU PS- If you want to flame, just e-mail me!