king@motcid.UUCP (Steven King) (01/11/91)
ObGimme: If anyone has a *working* Apple emulator for the Amiga, please let
me know. I'm espcially interested in a //e emulator, but I won't turn up my
nose at one for the ][+. The reason I want this really is to run AppleWorks
on my Amiga. AppleWorks is far superior to anything I've seen on the Amiga,
which is a real pity. (NO FLAMES! I said it's superior to anything *I'VE
SEEN* on the Amiga.) Besides, I've already got AppleWorks and I rather like
it. Why spend money on something new, eh?
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| ...uunet!motcid!kingjeremym@brahms.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) (01/12/91)
In article <6118@orchid3.UUCP> king@motcid.UUCP (Steven King) writes: >ObGimme: If anyone has a *working* Apple emulator for the Amiga, please let >me know. I'm espcially interested in a //e emulator, but I won't turn up my >nose at one for the ][+. The reason I want this really is to run AppleWorks >on my Amiga. AppleWorks is far superior to anything I've seen on the Amiga, >which is a real pity. (NO FLAMES! I said it's superior to anything *I'VE >SEEN* on the Amiga.) Besides, I've already got AppleWorks and I rather like >it. Why spend money on something new, eh? > >-- >like squishy things between their toes. | Motorola Cellular > | ...uunet!motcid!king Ok Mr. King... I've got the solution to run appleworks and have been doing it for over a year. It's called ][ in a Mac. This software can be purchaced (pretty cheap, relitively)..in the back of MacWoe or anyother mac mag. Now, the trick is this. YOU MUST HAVE AMAX!!!! If you have amax, and the APPLE drive, not AmigaTosh or some crap like that, then the drive can read our prodos disks and run appleworks. I use it a lot...and love doing it. When I show them I can run appleworks it makes three types of people green. My appple //e people go gran, my mac people go green and my amiga people go green. I go out. Out of the room that is, because of fear of death. But to sumerize: With Amax II or I, ][ in a Mac along with a mac drive ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY works running. I know, I've done it.. It is good! Well...not great. It's about 1/2 the apple ]['s speed. That's not because you're an Amiga, Running a Mac, running an Apple...its because you're a MAC running an apple. It's the MAC's fault, not the amiga. I called them, I checked ... it's the mac.... So...hapy hunting..and reply if you have troubles... I'm always here to help. -Monitor of c.s.a.emulations -- E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or Unix // jeremy@freezer.it.udel.edu (line 1 = jeremym) \\ // --->Monitor of comp.sys.amiga.emulations<--- \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs...
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (01/15/91)
In article <17583@brahms.udel.edu> jeremym@brahms.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: >In article <6118@orchid3.UUCP> king@motcid.UUCP (Steven King) writes: >>ObGimme: If anyone has a *working* Apple emulator for the Amiga, please let >>me know. I'd like to help you. I am the author of the original ST Xformer emulator (for the Atari ST) which emulates the Apple II, Atari 800, Atari 130XE, and Commodore 64 emulators. Fully working versions of the Apple II and C64 emulators were never released to the public, while the Atari 800 and Atari 130XE emulators were released as shareware. The spec of the ST Xformer is roughtly this: on an 8MHz Atari ST it emulates the 6502 at about 50% normal speed. This is about twice as fast as other 6502 emulators I have seen (such as the C64 emulators for the Amiga). By changing the image of the ROMs and making minor changes in the hardware emulation code, the emulator can be made to emulate almost any 6502 based computer. To allow for easy file transfers, I developed a special cable, known as the Xformer Cable, which connects an Atari 800 disk drive directly to an Atari ST and allows you to boot the Atari 800 software without having to copy it to ST disks first. I have seen that a similar cable already exists for connecting Commodore 64 disk drives to the Amiga. Recently, I ported the ST Xformer to an IBM PC and now it is possible to emulate either the Apple II or Atari 800 on any PC at 20% to 500% the speed of the real 6502 (depending on whether you have a PC, XT, AT, 386 or 486). Having stumbled onto this newsgroup, I see that the interest in 6502 emulators for Amigas may be even higher than the interest in 6502 emulators on the Atari ST. So if there is someone really interested in seeing my emulator ported to the Amiga, I'd be interested in doing that. My only problem is that I don't own an Amiga, so I would need to hook up with someone here in the Seattle area that has an Amiga development system. Given the similarities between the ST and Amiga, an emulator of similar speed can be written for the Amiga. I would especially be interested in getting my hands on an Amiga 3000 to write a 68030 version of the emulator, since after years of waiting, I have become fed up with Atari's inability to ship a 68030 machine. - Darek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka (206)-885-5893 All views expressed are my own. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
pashdown@javelin.es.com (Pete Ashdown) (01/15/91)
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: >Having stumbled onto this newsgroup, I see that the interest in 6502 emulators >for Amigas may be even higher than the interest in 6502 emulators on the Atari >ST. So if there is someone really interested in seeing my emulator ported to >the Amiga, I'd be interested in doing that. My only problem is that I don't >own an Amiga, so I would need to hook up with someone here in the Seattle area >that has an Amiga development system. Yes, yes, yes Darek! I'm very surprised and impressed to see you pop up in here. I don't know if you've noticed, but your name has been passed a bit in here already. >Given the similarities between the ST and Amiga, an emulator of similar >speed can be written for the Amiga. I would especially be interested in >getting my hands on an Amiga 3000 to write a 68030 version of the emulator, >since after years of waiting, I have become fed up with Atari's >inability to ship a 68030 machine. What do you think the possibilities of a Apple //GS emulator are? It would seem to me that because of the similarity in pallettes and screen modes, it would be easier to do on the Amiga than any other machine. The sound would probably have to be cut down, but nevertheless, a //GS emulator with Apple //e sound wouldn't be too shabby at all. It would be a nice slap in the face to Apple who seem to think that a card is needed for //e emulation on a 20 mhz 68020. >- Darek -- "No, no, no! It is an empirical law of physics that the heat flux at any point is proportional to the temperature gradient at that point." - Claudia Schiffer, over breakfast. Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (01/16/91)
In article <1991Jan10.195940.1136@javelin.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com writes: > >I got a few requests to upload that Apple II emulator for the ST somewhere. >Well, originally, I found it on an ST ftp site. Its still there. > >terminator.cc.umich.edu 141.211.164.8 >/atari/applications/appleemu.arc I should add one further note about the Apple II emulator. Whichever version you have, IT IS ILLEGAL to post the emulator with the APPLSOFT.BIN file because that file contains an image of the Apple II ROMs. If someone uploaded a fully working copy to the net, then that person as well as the site holding the file could hear from Apple's lawyers. Please delete APPLSOFT.BIN to avoid any problems. Also, there are several versions of the Apple II emalator. If you are using one dated October 1986, do not use it. It is a beta version that was leaked out (by a pirate Atari dealer of all people). There is a January 1987 release which should be considered the "first" release of the emulator, and it runs at about 15%-20% the speed of an Apple II. I suspect that this is the version that is floating around. There was a second release in ST Xformer 2.1, which runs at about 40% the speed of an Apple, which was released in 1988. Past that, I have not released Apple compatible versions of ST Xformer since then, since the Atari ST community was mainly interested in Atari 800 and Atari XE emulation. The current speed is about 50% the speed of the 6502, so that is about 3 times faster than the version people are using. The offer that I posted yesterday still stands. If someone here in Seattle is willing to let me borrow their Amiga development system, I would be willing to port the latest version of ST Xformer to the Amiga. Give me a call at (206)-885-5893, evenings. Developers only, please. - Darek p.s. - I would also be interested in seeing the Atari ST emulator for the Amiga. Does it run on the Amiga 3000? If so, it's funny to think that Amiga owners can run ST software on a 68030 before Atari even releases the TT! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka, author of ST Xformer. All views expressed are my own. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (01/16/91)
Where is the PC version of the Apple II emulator available?
tegen@isy.liu.se (Tegenf{lt) (01/16/91)
Regarding Apple II emulator on the Amiga... YES! I would be delighted to have a fast Apple II emulator (or better yet, an Apple IIe). I saw a post of an emulator for unix written in C a week back or so. I was just beginning to examine that code for ev. port to the Amiga. I am sorry to say that I don't have any time to help with this project, but I would like to keep getting progress reports from all who puts effort on this subject... /CT, Linkoping University, Sweden
jmauric@hubcap.clemson.edu (AMIGA users group) (01/18/91)
From article <3806@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson):
> Where is the PC version of the Apple II emulator available?
yeah.. tell me too please. thanks.
--john
jmauric@hubcap.clemson.edurkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) (04/15/91)
I have a friend who is beginning work on an Apple Emulator for the Amiga (for his senior project). My question is this: Has anyone seen or heard if there is anyone else out there who is doing the same thing? I've found limited source for an Apple II emulator on 'ab20.larc.nasa.gov' which is definetely helpful, but appears to be lacking significant code... -- Rick Kent // Only California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu AOL: RickK10
kopnicky@elf.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr14.231528.512@nic.csu.net>, rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: |> I have a friend who is beginning work on an Apple Emulator for |> the Amiga (for his senior project). My question is this: Has |> anyone seen or heard if there is anyone else out there who is |> doing the same thing? I've found limited source for an Apple II |> emulator on 'ab20.larc.nasa.gov' which is definetely helpful, but |> appears to be lacking significant code... |> |> -- |> Rick Kent // Only |> California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! |> Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu |> AOL: RickK10 Yeah... the apple II emulator on ab20 wasn't written for the Amiga. It was written for some computer I've never heard of by this guy in Finland, and the compiler he used had an include called <term.h> which contains who knows what mysterious stuff. I've found this out through some friend of the author. The guy was going to write a new version but I think he gave up on it. It sounds like a lost cause to me so maybe you're writing the only apple II emulator going. - Quantum Seep
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/16/91)
rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: > I have a friend who is beginning work on an Apple Emulator for > the Amiga (for his senior project). My question is this: Has > anyone seen or heard if there is anyone else out there who is > doing the same thing? I've found limited source for an Apple II > emulator on 'ab20.larc.nasa.gov' which is definetely helpful, but > appears to be lacking significant code... All you need is Amax and then you get the Mac program Apple2 in a Mac. Runs just fine. > -- > Rick Kent // Only > California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! > Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu > AOL: RickK10 -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr15.213329.8809@rice.edu> kopnicky@elf.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes: >In article <1991Apr14.231528.512@nic.csu.net>, rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: >|> I have a friend who is beginning work on an Apple Emulator for >|> the Amiga (for his senior project). My question is this: Has >|> anyone seen or heard if there is anyone else out there who is >|> doing the same thing? I've found limited source for an Apple II >|> emulator on 'ab20.larc.nasa.gov' which is definetely helpful, but >|> appears to be lacking significant code... >|> >|> -- >|> Rick Kent // Only >|> California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! >|> Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu >|> AOL: RickK10 > Well, me and this guy from microsoft were yapping about creating an Apple II emulator for the amiga, as he has already created a 6502 emulator for the Atari ST. It works quite well I might add, too. But the crux of the whole thing - after a couppla weeks - is that he has a 368 but no amiga to play with - so if he ever goes for a full scale Apple //e emulator - expect it on a PC *WAY* before any amiga code will be written by him. btw: his benchmarks were actually quite varied in some of his benchmarks vs. ][ in a Mac on my 68000 A2000.... Hm... Ie: Some tests were faster and some tests were slower... So... you can all find this guy's address by going to TERMINATOR.CC.something -ot other.. (cant remember) and go to the atari St section and finding his 6502 emulaot - obviously, his microsoft address is in there... Keep on it guys. I would love (ahem, PAY!) to see an Apple ii emulator that rocks... I mean, hardware too.. I want it so that I can pop in my 400 apple disks and 399 will run.. get it? I want DOS and PRODOS support.. I want.... Sure... ok... nice dream... >or is it?< Monitor of comp.sys.amiga.emulations -jeremy -- E Pluribus // Contacts: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu or jeremym@chopin.udel.edu or Unix // jeremym@freezer.acs.udel.edu -amiga clasic 2000- \\ // --->Monitor of comp.sys.amiga.emulations<--- \X/ 2001 Dalmations - My stars, its full of dogs...
skrenta@amix.commodore.com (Rich Skrenta) (04/16/91)
[email to the original author bounced] kopnicky@elf.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes: > It sounds like a lost cause to me so maybe you're writing the only apple II > emulator going. No, there are quite a few out there. I had sources to several when I wrote my Apple II emulator; they were quite helpful. Getting the basics of the emulator working was pretty easy, but getting the last bugs out of the emulation took quite a while. Neither of the two working emulators I had did perfect emulation. There would be subtle bugs in some instructions which would case Integer basic to barf on such and such... Anyway. I've got an emulator which does o Perfect 6502 emulation (no bugs) to my knowledge o Catches DOS, Prodos and ROM calls for speed o Raw Disk II interface, so even if you application doesn't use DOS it will still run. You just make a disk image and "boot" it in the emulator. o A nifty command line interface which lets you dissassemble, set trace regions, breakpoints, etc. o Alas, no graphics. Send me diffs if you add them. I just added a crude printer to it as well, so I could print stuff out in my emulator and have it go to a Unix file. I posted it to alt.source some time ago, so perhaps it's archived somewhere. I'll email it to anyone who asks (or repost it if there is a large response). Rich -- skrenta@amix.commodore.com
skrenta@amix.commodore.com (Rich Skrenta) (04/16/91)
Wait...I think my emulator might be available for anonymous FTP on accuvax.nwu.edu. I don't have anon FTP access, so I can't check this... Rich -- skrenta@amix.commodore.com
aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri-Man) (04/17/91)
In article <eVZH11w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: [senior project of apple][ emulator] >All you need is Amax and then you get the Mac program Apple2 in a Mac. All????? Lets see here, Amax costs around 180 dollars? The emulator, lets would be around 100 or something. 280 dollars for an Apple][ emulator? Nah. :) Sri
BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu (04/17/91)
In article <1991Apr14.231528.512@nic.csu.net>, rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) says: > >I have a friend who is beginning work on an Apple Emulator for >the Amiga (for his senior project). My question is this: Has >anyone seen or heard if there is anyone else out there who is >doing the same thing? I've found limited source for an Apple II >emulator on 'ab20.larc.nasa.gov' which is definetely helpful, but >appears to be lacking significant code... > >-- >Rick Kent // Only >California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! >Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu >AOL: RickK10 On ux1.cso.uiuc.edu in the pc/exec-pc directory is a file called apl2em.zip. This is an Apple][ emulator for IBM compatibles, and my friend tried it out and it works very well except for the disk drives. There is assembly language source code with it; even though it's for the 8088, I think that it's still helpful. I would really like to se a PD Apple][ emulator for the Ami, it would be a lot of fun for those of us who started out on Apple]['s. -Blaise
rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) (04/17/91)
In article <16929@chopin.udel.edu> jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: >Well, me and this guy from microsoft were yapping about creating >an Apple II emulator for the amiga, as he has already created >a 6502 emulator for the Atari ST. It works quite well I might add, too. > ...... >btw: his benchmarks were actually quite varied in some of his benchmarks >vs. ][ in a Mac on my 68000 A2000.... Hm... Ie: Some tests were faster >and some tests were slower... That reminds me. What is "][ in a Mac"? Is that an Apple II software emulator for the Mac? I have AMAX II and love it. I've even run the Soft PC IBM Emulator for the Mac under AMAX on the Amiga (just for kicks). Kinda fun to tell people you have an Amiga emulating a Mac emulating an IBM. Now if I could run Apple II software under an Apple II emulator under AMAX that might be pretty cool... -- Rick Kent // Only California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu AOL: RickK10
rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) (04/17/91)
In article <eVZH11w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: > >All you need is Amax and then you get the Mac program Apple2 in a Mac. > >Runs just fine. > Guess I should have read the next message. That's exactly what I wanted to know. How's the speed of this Apple II emulator? I'll be running it on AMAX II on an Amiga 3000 (25mhz). Will it run faster than a standard Apple II? Or about the same speed? -- Rick Kent // Only California State University, Bakersfield \X/ Amiga! Internet: rkent@sparc1.csubak.edu AOL: RickK10
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/17/91)
aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri-Man) writes: > In article <eVZH11w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindab > [senior project of apple][ emulator] > >All you need is Amax and then you get the Mac program Apple2 in a Mac. > > All????? Lets see here, Amax costs around 180 dollars? The emulator, lets > would be around 100 or something. 280 dollars for an Apple][ emulator? > Nah. :) > > Sri This type of attitude is exactly why we don't have a plethora of third-party developers doing work for the Amiga. If you can't get it for absolutely nothing, then you don't want it. The person wanted to know about any Apple // emulators for the Amiga. He didn't specify that it should cost nothing. I gave an answer showing there is a way to emulate the Apple // on the Amiga already. Also, if you don't want to pay for it, then call up your local pirate board, get the patched Amax II *with* the Mac ROMS in software and then get the pirated Apple2 in a Mac software an you have your whole she-bang for free! Of course, I don't condone the above conduct. It pisses me off to no end because I would like nothing better than to go out an purchase Quark Express for the Amiga or Microsoft Word for the Amiga. But I can't! It's because of people like the above who don't want to spend a single dime for anything that causes developers to shy away from the Amiga. -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/17/91)
rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: > That reminds me. What is "][ in a Mac"? Is that an Apple II software > emulator for the Mac? I have AMAX II and love it. I've even run the > Soft PC IBM Emulator for the Mac under AMAX on the Amiga (just for > kicks). Kinda fun to tell people you have an Amiga emulating a Mac > emulating an IBM. Now if I could run Apple II software under an Apple > II emulator under AMAX that might be pretty cool... ][ in a Mac is the Apple // software emulator that runs on the Mac. -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) (04/17/91)
bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: >> That reminds me. What is "][ in a Mac"? Is that an Apple II software >> emulator for the Mac? I have AMAX II and love it. I've even run the >> Soft PC IBM Emulator for the Mac under AMAX on the Amiga (just for >> kicks). Kinda fun to tell people you have an Amiga emulating a Mac >> emulating an IBM. Now if I could run Apple II software under an Apple >> II emulator under AMAX that might be pretty cool... >][ in a Mac is the Apple // software emulator that runs on the Mac. ..and a pathetic solution to Apple II emulation on the Amiga. Come on guys! "][ in a Mac" is LAME! Although its nicely setup, where's my color? It seems completely feasible to me to make a Apple //e emulator that would run at full speed on an unaccellerated Amiga. After all, what special hardware does an Apple have? NONE. No sprites. No wild-n-wacky sound generator. Nothing. As I understand it, this is what slows down the C64 emulators. You could probably do a full-speed or faster //GS emulator (minus sound) on an accellerated Amiga. I'm surprised that the Apple //e emulator wasn't the FIRST emulator for the Amiga. It seems to be the least complicated and the Amiga drives can read GCR encoding without any special hardware. -- / "Uhh" - Jon Bon Jovi \ THISSPACEHASBEENRENTEDTHISS \\ / AMGIA!! The computer for the mind. \X v// PAC SMiles! from Ilana EHA |XV [FREE CD'S! SEND ME MONEY!] X\/ SBEENRENTEDTHISPACEHASBEENR Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri-Man) (04/18/91)
In article <Jcoi17w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: >aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri-Man) writes: > >> All????? Lets see here, Amax costs around 180 dollars? The emulator, lets >> would be around 100 or something. 280 dollars for an Apple][ emulator? >> Nah. :) >> >> Sri > >This type of attitude is exactly why we don't have a plethora of >third-party developers doing work for the Amiga. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Do you think it is worth 200 dollars to shell out getting an Apple][ emulator by way of getting another emulator? I don't think its worth the money going out and getting Amax just so that you can get an apple][ . What I would like to see is just a plain apple][ emulator without going through another emulator. Thats just plain silly. That is what I was objecting too. No where did I state that I was looking for cheap software. How you ended up interpreting my message into something so offbase is puzzling. Anybody know how much a Apple][ cost? Then again, that is not what the original author wanted anyways, he just wanted to see some examples of how to do it. Which is fine. Anyways, if you want to dicuss it further, please go ahead and e-mail me. Sri
cs275rs@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Roy Sutton) (04/18/91)
If we're going to make an apple ][ emulator, why stop there...Why not go
ahead and make an Apple IIgs emulator...The screen size on the GS is
640X200 (sound familiar?) Support for the graphics modes shouldn't be
THAT difficult. Sound would be quite another thing tho...I suppose that the
perfect solution would be part hardware and software: It would include a
synthesizer chip like the GS and logic to control the apple disk drive. As
I see it, such a device could be used also as a simple way to read MAC format
disks and to play 16 channel sounds. (who would complain about this?)
Any thoughts? This summer I was going to polish some of that Apple emulator
code...Perhaps that EE degree won't go to waste after all.
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struct Roy {
long intelligence, wisdom, humor;
short patience; Prefer: suttonrv@vuctrvax
} Sutton; cs275rs@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
----------------------bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) (04/18/91)
rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: > In article <eVZH11w164w@graphics.rent.com> bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindab > > > >All you need is Amax and then you get the Mac program Apple2 in a Mac. > > > >Runs just fine. > > > Guess I should have read the next message. That's exactly what I wanted > to know. How's the speed of this Apple II emulator? I'll be running it > on AMAX II on an Amiga 3000 (25mhz). Will it run faster than a standard > Apple II? Or about the same speed? To tell you the truth, I didn't check the speed. It seemed to be about the same speed as a typical Apple //e running at [sic] 1mhz. I just think the old analogy applies here... "It's not how the bear dances but that he dances at all". -- Bob The Graphics BBS 908/469-0049 "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" ============================================================================ InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com | Raven Enterprises UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl | 25 Raven Avenue BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc | Piscataway, NJ 08854 Home #: 908/560-7353 | 908/271-8878
mt87692@cc.tut.fi (Mikko Tsokkinen) (04/18/91)
There is a apple II emulator for amax... deleted... > I'm surprised that the Apple //e emulator wasn't the FIRST emulator for the > Amiga. It seems to be the least complicated and the Amiga drives can read > GCR encoding without any special hardware. There are no appleIIs here... And who gives a shit about the emulator anyway... if you really need it there is a solution, or write your own... MIT -- Bubble Bobble
menelli@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Ron Menelli) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr17.130921.414@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes: >bobl@graphics.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm) writes: > >>rkent@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (rick kent stu) writes: > >>> That reminds me. What is "][ in a Mac"? Is that an Apple II software >>> emulator for the Mac? I have AMAX II and love it. I've even run the [stuff deleted] > >>][ in a Mac is the Apple // software emulator that runs on the Mac. > >..and a pathetic solution to Apple II emulation on the Amiga. Come on guys! >"][ in a Mac" is LAME! Although its nicely setup, where's my color? It >seems completely feasible to me to make a Apple //e emulator that would run >at full speed on an unaccellerated Amiga. After all, what special hardware >does an Apple have? NONE. No sprites. No wild-n-wacky sound generator. >Nothing. As I understand it, this is what slows down the C64 emulators. You >could probably do a full-speed or faster //GS emulator (minus sound) on an >accellerated Amiga. > >I'm surprised that the Apple //e emulator wasn't the FIRST emulator for the >Amiga. It seems to be the least complicated and the Amiga drives can read >GCR encoding without any special hardware. Actually, there is a bit of weirdness involved in the graphics department. The way bytes are mapped into pixels on the screen requires some work (is the palette bit set? Are we in an even or odd column? Is an adjacent pixel set, also?) All of these things have to be taken into consideration. Admittedly, not too bad, but it is time consuming. The disk reading is the really tricky part if you want it done at the lowest level (essential for lots of games), and there are plenty of other tricks Apple II programmers use that the emulator has to be able to deal with. I'm sure that between myself and the other emulator writers out there, there will be some very workable emulators coming soon. -Ron Menelli menelli@cs.uiuc.edu >-- > / "Uhh" - Jon Bon Jovi \ THISSPACEHASBEENRENTEDTHISS >\\ / AMGIA!! The computer for the mind. \X v// PAC SMiles! from Ilana EHA > |XV [FREE CD'S! SEND ME MONEY!] X\/ SBEENRENTEDTHISPACEHASBEENR >Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
iheitla@cs.vu.nl (Ilja Heitlager) (04/19/91)
> No fancy file manipulation
Just look at nanny.lysator.liu.se ftp/anonymous in /primos there you
find apple.tar.Z or something. The file contains two versions of a appleII
emulator in C.
Ilja,
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===================================================== uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) (04/20/91)
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I managed to get Rich Skrentas Apple ][ emulator running on my
A3000-25/100, under AmigaDOS. I compiled it with lattice C 5.10a,
using the m3 (030 code) and -O options. Results are that the
applesoft emulation is totally 100% true to the apple ][ series,
and speed is low.
I ran David Ahls old Creative Computing benchmark, in basic and
compared it to the old published apple //e results. This
benchmark tests both accuracy and speed. On the accuracy part
it was EXACTLY the same as the old apple //e computer, not a
bad feat since there is a lot of FP math in it.
Speed wise is another story:
Apple //e runs benchmark in 1 minute 53 seconds
Amiga 3000/25-100 emulating an apple //e takes 5 minutes 13 seconds.
So it is like a .4 Mhz 65C02
But it works!
The A3000/25 runs the same benchmark, in C, in 0.15 seconds, with
much greater accuracy.
Thanks to Rich Skrenta for the emulator!
-Roger
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