ben@epmooch.UUCP (Rev. Ben A. Mesander) (03/03/91)
>In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: > >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. ^^^^^^^^ Note DATACOMM with two 'M's. >comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info. > >Xref: leland.Stanford.EDU news.lists:298 news.groups:7937 >Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups >Subject: BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY (FEB 91) >Message-ID: <1991Mar3.142519.19888@pa.dec.com> > >BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY >A companion posting explains the statistics and the algorithms that produced >them. > > +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. > | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population > | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all > | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) > | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) > | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage > | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader > | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders > | | | | | | | | who read this group. > V V V V V V V V >[...] >730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit >731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE ONE 'M'. >732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak > >Too bad we didn't beat out talk.bizarre.rabbit! I think comp.sys.amiga.datacom with one "m" may have been a bogus newgroup. -- ben@epmooch.UUCP ben%servalan.UUCP@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu {chinet,uokmax}!servalan!epmooch!ben (Ben Mesander)
ben@epmooch.UUCP (Rev. Ben A. Mesander) (03/03/91)
>In article <1991Mar03.225909.5025@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> goodwinm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Michael Goodwin) writes: >In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: [...] >>730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit >>731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom >>732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak >> >>Too bad we didn't beat out talk.bizarre.rabbit! A pity. >I can't believe that they would say that c.s.a.datacomm has only one message >per month. That is real lying through statistics if I ever saw it. I see at >least 20 messages a day! "They" DIDN'T say that c.s.datacomm has only one message per month. "They" did say that c.s.a.datacom (with one 'm') does. "They" have no reason to be lying about the statistics, btw. Are you a paranoid? -- ben@epmooch.UUCP ben%servalan.UUCP@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu {chinet,uokmax}!servalan!epmooch!ben (Ben Mesander)
bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) (03/04/91)
Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation.
comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info.
Xref: leland.Stanford.EDU news.lists:298 news.groups:7937
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups
Subject: BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY (FEB 91)
Message-ID: <1991Mar3.142519.19888@pa.dec.com>
BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY
A companion posting explains the statistics and the algorithms that produced
them.
+-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
| +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
| | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
| | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
| | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
| | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage
| | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader
| | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders
| | | | | | | | who read this group.
V V V V V V V V
[...]
730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit
731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom
732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak
Too bad we didn't beat out talk.bizarre.rabbit!
Xref: leland.Stanford.EDU news.lists:299 news.groups:7938
Subject: BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY PROPAGATION (FEB 91)
Message-ID: <1991Mar3.142547.19962@pa.dec.com>
BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY PROPAGATION
A companion posting explains the statistics and the algorithms that produced
them.
+-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
| +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
| | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
| | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
| | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
| | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage
| | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader
| | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders
| | | | | | | | who read this group.
V V V V V V V V
713 8300 180 26% 261 370.8 2% 0.02 0.6% rec.music.video
714 7300 158 26% 1 1.2 100% 0.00 0.5% comp.sys.amiga.unix
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
!!! Only 26% of the sites carry it with 100% crossposting?
This has to change...
[...]
730 4900 106 11% 1 0.9 100% 0.00 0.3% rec.food
731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom
732 2400 52 9% 1 2.2 100% 0.00 0.2% alt.fan.dice-man
Of course, this is the same survey that said that comp.sys.next had 42000
readers worldwide. That's a giggler.
A demain,
Dave Hopper | /// Anthro/CS Creep | Academic Info Resouces, Stanford
|__ /// | Macincrap/UNIX Consultant
bard@jessica. |\\\/// Wouldn't it be fun |
Stanford.EDU | \XX/ to dose Barb Bush? | All typos/opinions are my own ;-)bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) (03/04/91)
In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> I wrote: >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. >comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WRONG! [...] >714 7300 158 26% 1 1.2 100% 0.00 0.5% comp.sys.amiga.unix > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >!!! Only 26% of the sites carry it with 100% crossposting? >This has to change... This is the BOGUS group that has appeared in some sites, NOT comp.unix.amiga. What an idiot! Who lets random jerks like this creep post anyway? >Dave Hopper | /// Anthro/CS Creep | Academic Info Resouces, Stanford Ah, well, *ahem* never mind... Dave Hopper | /// Anthro/CS Creep | Academic Info Resouces, Stanford |__ /// | Macincrap/UNIX Consultant bard@jessica. |\\\/// Wouldn't it be fun | Stanford.EDU | \XX/ to dose Barb Bush? | All typos/opinions are my own ;-)
goodwinm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Michael Goodwin) (03/04/91)
In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: > >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. >comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info. > >Xref: leland.Stanford.EDU news.lists:298 news.groups:7937 >Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups >Subject: BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY (FEB 91) >Message-ID: <1991Mar3.142519.19888@pa.dec.com> > >BOTTOM 20 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY >A companion posting explains the statistics and the algorithms that produced >them. > > +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. > | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population > | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all > | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) > | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) > | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage > | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader > | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders > | | | | | | | | who read this group. > V V V V V V V V >[...] >730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit >731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom >732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak > >Too bad we didn't beat out talk.bizarre.rabbit! I can't believe that they would say that c.s.a.datacomm has only one message per month. That is real lying through statistics if I ever saw it. I see at least 20 messages a day!
thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan) (03/04/91)
In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: > >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. >comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info. >[...] Nope, you got it wrong: those two groups you cited are bogus newsgroups. READ the list (you posted) again: comp.sys.amiga.datacom ^ missing second "m" comp.sys.amiga.unix not valid; the "unix" group is comp.unix.amiga Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]
goodwinm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Michael Goodwin) (03/05/91)
In article <ben.5172@epmooch.UUCP> ben@epmooch.UUCP (Rev. Ben A. Mesander) writes: >>In article <1991Mar03.225909.5025@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> goodwinm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Michael Goodwin) writes: >>In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: >[...] >>>730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit >>>731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom >>>732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak >>> >>>Too bad we didn't beat out talk.bizarre.rabbit! > >A pity. > >>I can't believe that they would say that c.s.a.datacomm has only one message >>per month. That is real lying through statistics if I ever saw it. I see at >>least 20 messages a day! > >"They" DIDN'T say that c.s.datacomm has only one message per month. "They" >did say that c.s.a.datacom (with one 'm') does. "They" have no reason >to be lying about the statistics, btw. Are you a paranoid? > Sorry, but my display was only 80 columns wide, and I thought that there was a second 'm' there. If you notice, the single 'm' was against the edge, I thought that it was really there and it fell off.
jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) (03/05/91)
In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: > >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. No it isn't. >731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom > >[...] > >731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom Now look what you posted: The group in question, second-to-last, is not comp.sys.amiga.datacomm but "comp.sys.amiga.datacom" which doesn't even exist! A few weeks ago someone accidentally posted a multi-group article with the last "m" missing in "datacomm", so I suspect that this is what got counted. -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Glittering prizes and Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises 37 Brook Street | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | shatter the illusion of Montgomery, PA 17752 | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!" (Rush)
cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) (03/05/91)
In article <1991Mar3.173028.9049@leland.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes: > (Regarding the BOTTOM 20 Usenet newsgroups, which the following posting claims include c.s.a.datacom and c.s.a.unix...) >Well, c.s.a.datacomm is second-to-last for both popularity and propagation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >comp.unix.amiga is down there also. Ah well. See news.lists for more info. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ herein lie the errors... > +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. > | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population > | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all > | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) > | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) > | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage > | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader > | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders > | | | | | | | | who read this group. > V V V V V V V V >[...] >730 1300 29 13% 39 65.5 8% 0.01 0.1% talk.bizarre.rabbit >731 1300 28 11% 1 1.0 0% 0.00 0.1% comp.sys.amiga.datacom >732 1000 22 22% 34 95.1 6% 0.04 0.1% trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak >713 8300 180 26% 261 370.8 2% 0.02 0.6% rec.music.video >714 7300 158 26% 1 1.2 100% 0.00 0.5% comp.sys.amiga.unix > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >!!! Only 26% of the sites carry it with 100% crossposting? >This has to change... > >Of course, this is the same survey that said that comp.sys.next had 42000 >readers worldwide. That's a giggler. > Alas, we have befallen a Gross Error of Penultimate Magnitude. To paraphrase Python's Book Shop sketch: "No, that's comp.sys.amiga.datacom with _one_ 'm', the nonofficial and unsupported newsgroup." It should come as no surprise to readers herein that comp.sys.amiga.datacomm with _two_ m's receives more than one kilobyte of interplay per month. I'm using up my fair share of it in this single message. And I've already used up our alleged one message per month. Good thing I'm in c.s.a.d with two m's. Ditto for comp.sys.amiga.unix. This group shouldn't exist, some nitwit jumped the gun and continues to pollute the net with bogus newsgroups. For Amiga Unix news, complete with a lot of involvement by the Commodore Unix team, check out comp.unix.amiga, the REAL Amiga Unix group. If you receive c.s.a.unix, stop. >A demain, >Dave Hopper | /// Anthro/CS Creep | Academic Info Resouces, Stanford make that two demains... Thom Cleland tcleland@ucsd.edu
bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) (03/06/91)
Yeah, yeah. Enough already. The flesh from my back is flayed and lying in neat
little piles on the floor. I have contacted the nearest monkery and plan to get
myself hence promptly.
I should never have quoted the fallacious c.s.a.datacom.with.one.m statistic.
Now kindly get off my bleeding, raw back.
Dave Hopper | /// Anthro/CS Creep | Academic Info Resouces, Stanford
|__ /// | Macincrap/UNIX Consultant
bard@jessica. |\\\/// Wouldn't it be fun |
Stanford.EDU | \XX/ to dose Barb Bush? | All typos/opinions are my own ;-)