maxc0415@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Amiga Universe II) (02/08/91)
Hello World! I like to compress executable files on my startup disk; This allow me to put considerable more stuffs on it. So I used PowerPacker and Imploder to acheive this. But, which one is better? Both Imploder and PowerPacker now supports their own powerpacker.library and explode.library. But imploder claim that they have a better consideration on the system's environment. I don't know about powerpacker. Imploder have a nice bar graphic, and friendy interface. and I like that better then the powerpacker. If you used these programs. please leave me your opinions. Thank you. p.s. How do I use the 'music' option in the 'TurboImploder'?
algoa@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Gregory Bowers) (02/08/91)
maxc0415@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Amiga Universe II) writes: > Hello World! >I like to compress executable files on my startup disk; This allow me to put >considerable more stuffs on it. >So I used PowerPacker and Imploder to acheive this. But, which one is better? >Both Imploder and PowerPacker now supports their own powerpacker.library and >explode.library. But imploder claim that they have a better consideration on >the system's environment. I don't know about powerpacker. >Imploder have a nice bar graphic, and friendy interface. and I like that better >then the powerpacker. >If you used these programs. please leave me your opinions. Thank you. > p.s. How do I use the 'music' option in the 'TurboImploder'? I prefer Turbo Imploder, I believe v3.1 is now public domain. It seems to produce smaller archive files than PowerPacker, it is fast, merges hunks, does overlays. However, the new Powerpacker v3.0 may do everything that the Imploder does, and more, but the files are still a little bigger I think. So anyway, I prefer to use the Turbo Imploder. Amiga is die beste! 'n IBM is 'n rekenaar? Die Mac is net 'n vrot appel! algoa@eecs.cs.pdx.edu Portland TrailBlazers now 39-9 and KICKING ASS!
ez002266@monet.ucdavis.edu (02/08/91)
Definitely use Imploder instead of PowerPacker. Imploder compresses faster Imploder decompresses TWICE AS FAST Imploder consistently makes smaller compressed files Imploder is way cool! There is supposed to be an even more cool Version 4.0 of Imploder coming out soon. -bruce
doctorj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey W Davis) (02/08/91)
In article <1991Feb7.152324@monet.ucdavis.edu> ez002266@monet.ucdavis.edu () writes: >Definitely use Imploder instead of PowerPacker. >Imploder compresses faster >Imploder decompresses TWICE AS FAST >Imploder consistently makes smaller compressed files >Imploder is way cool! > >There is supposed to be an even more cool Version 4.0 of Imploder coming out >soon. > >-bruce Which version of PowerPacker are you referring to? PowerPacker Professional compresses files 40-50 times faster than PowerPacker 2.3b. It also compresses the files more. I recrunched my commands directory with PowerPacker Professional and recovered an additional 1.2Meg of space on the HD. Powerpacker also has several neat utilities for viewing compressed animations, reading crunched text, and code that you may incorporate into your own programs to utilize the crunched files. I don't notice any real difference in speed between the PowerPacker and Turbo Imploder v3.0. I trust the files produced by PowerPacker. Does anyone have any technical information about Imploder? Does it achieve its speed illegally? If someone can give a more technical report on Imploder, I may start using it occasionally also. These are my opinions and experiences. No Flames! *********************************************************** * Jeff Davis * Relax! And get into /// * * doctorj@en.ecn.purdue.edu * the STRESS!!! /// * * * \\\///030 * * * -Gigahertz!- Amiga\XX/ 882 * *********************************************************** -=[ In Stereo Where Available ]=-
GUTEST8@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be (Ives Aerts) (02/11/91)
In article <1991Feb7.152324@monet.ucdavis.edu>, you say: > >Definitely use Imploder instead of PowerPacker. >Imploder compresses faster >Imploder decompresses TWICE AS FAST >Imploder consistently makes smaller compressed files >Imploder is way cool! > >There is supposed to be an even more cool Version 4.0 of Imploder coming out >soon. > >-bruce Could you mention which version of PowerPacker you're comparing to ? The 3.0b version that I have is zillions of times faster than the PD 2.3b version. Keep an eye on comp.sys.amiga.announce to get a feature list of the latest version (I just love the 2.0 look PP has on my 1.3 Amiga) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ives Aerts | IBM definition SY-34378 GUTEST8@BLEKUL11.BITNET | A signature consists of sequences of gutest8@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be | non-blank characters separated by blanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
ajbrouw@neabbs.UUCP (ALBERT-JAN BROUWER) (02/12/91)
Jeff Davis writes: > Does anyone have any technical information about Imploder? Does it > achieve its speed illegally? Me if anybody. Illegally? Never. The speed is due to a highly optimized decompression algorithm (Peter's baby) and some smart design choices. > If someone can give a more technical report on Imploder, I may start > using it occasionally also. I programmed the bloody thing. Trust me. Technical report? Uhm, I could rant on for ages, better ask something specific. Besides, there should be quite some tech info in the documentation. Be sure to read it before you use hunk-merge, overlay or library stuff. Jim Graham writes: > Has anyone managed to get the music feature of this utility to work? > I have frequently tried to turn "Music On" by selecting it from the > pulldown menu, yet it remains "stuck" on "Music Off". Version 3.1 has no music. V3.1 is an interim version with a few minor enhancements that should have shortly preceded 4.0. As it stands, 4.0 still hasen't been released due to lack of time, though we hope to be able to wrap things up shortly. Anyways, 4.0 will have some quite amazing new music by Paul van der Valk, some enhanced features, batch mode etc. Also lots of support utilities and improved documentation. -Albert "Want to program the Amiga? RTFRKRM's!"
rshaw@theborg.mlb.fl.us (Ron) (02/12/91)
I too have tried the latest verions of power packer vs the latest version of
Imploder. If I do get power packed files, I immediately un-power pack them and
implode them. on my 2000/GVP 030 imploder seems to do a little better job
imploding the files (not much but in some instances as much as 5K) and they
sure load a hell of a lot faster. I use power packer for crunching text only.
WIth imploder you can combine hunks without crunching the file. thats another
nice feature
Ron Shaw..... The only good 8 bit computer is a
Dead 8 bit compter....
-----------------------------Mathematics is a state of mind,
Electronics is a state of being.rshaw@theborg.mlb.fl.us (Ron) (02/13/91)
The music feature of imploder works nice. I enjoy the music in the bkgnd (for
a while) but sometimes on my system (68030-GVP) it gets stuck on
Ron Shaw..... The only good 8 bit computer is a
Dead 8 bit compter....
-----------------------------Mathematics is a state of mind,
Electronics is a state of being.dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) (02/13/91)
In article <565260@neabbs.UUCP>, ALBERT-JAN BROUWER writes: > Version 3.1 has no music. V3.1 is an interim version with a few minor > enhancements that should have shortly preceded 4.0. > > As it stands, 4.0 still hasen't been released due to lack of time, though > we hope to be able to wrap things up shortly. > Anyways, 4.0 will have some quite amazing new music by Paul van der Valk, > some enhanced features, batch mode etc. Also lots of support utilities > and improved documentation. > So, is this Imploder a program that one buys, or is it shareware [:-/] or is it PD? Just curious. I find that -executable- packers are a waste of time and effort on any reasonably sized HD. :-) (Though I use LHARC a lot to compress stuff that I don't normally access). > -Albert > > "Want to program the Amiga? RTFRKRM's!" Yeah! Twice. Dac -- _l _ _ // Andrew Clayton. Canberra, Australia. I Post . (_](_l(_ \X/ Send mail to dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au . . I am.
cseaman@sequent.UUCP (Chris "The Bartman" Seaman) (02/15/91)
ajbrouw@neabbs.UUCP (ALBERT-JAN BROUWER) writes: < Jeff Davis writes: < > If someone can give a more technical report on Imploder, I may start < > using it occasionally also. < < I programmed the bloody thing. Trust me. Technical report? Uhm, I < could rant on for ages, better ask something specific. Besides, there < should be quite some tech info in the documentation. Be sure to read < it before you use hunk-merge, overlay or library stuff. Maybe you can answer a question for me. I found Imploder 3.1 on ab20, and tried it on Photon paint and Dpaint III, with odd results. Both are overlayed, and appeared to work when compressed. Yet, when I 'uncrunch' them, the files are different than the original (pre-crunch) versions. Why? Also, even though I added explode.library to libs: (I even tried using loadlib to make it 'resident'), I can't get the 'Library' gadget un-ghosted. Thanks, Chris -- Chris (Insert phrase here) Seaman | ___-/^\-___ cseaman@gateway.sequent.com <or> | //__--\O/--__\\ nI' yIyIn 'ej yIchep. ...!uunet!sequent!cseaman | // \\ The Home of the Killer Smiley | `\ /'
etxtomp@eos.ericsson.se (Tommy Petersson) (02/15/91)
In article <rshaw.0533@theborg.mlb.fl.us> rshaw@theborg.mlb.fl.us (Ron) writes: >I too have tried the latest verions of power packer vs the latest version of >Imploder. If I do get power packed files, I immediately un-power pack them and >implode them. on my 2000/GVP 030 imploder seems to do a little better job >imploding the files (not much but in some instances as much as 5K) and they >sure load a hell of a lot faster. I use power packer for crunching text only. >WIth imploder you can combine hunks without crunching the file. thats another >nice feature > >Ron Shaw..... The only good 8 bit computer is a > Dead 8 bit compter.... >-----------------------------Mathematics is a state of mind, >Electronics is a state of being. I'm not arguing, just asking: You say that you have tried the latest versions of both the programs. Which are the version numbers of the programs? Is it the PowerPacker commercial version? Does any of the programs have a feature the other one lacks?
ajbrouw@neabbs.UUCP (ALBERT-JAN BROUWER) (02/16/91)
Firs proud owner of a 24mm/1.4L lens, which is far better (and unfortunately about ten times as costly). I suppose Nikon has the same differences in its own range of lenses. I'm sorry to say it, but getting the best lenses it not a question of which brand, but a question of saving some more money and buying a more expensive lens! Mark. #! rnews 496 Path: telmail!neabbs!driesb From: driesb@neabbs.UUCP (DRIES BESSELS) Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python Subject: monty game Message-ID: <569039@neabbs.UUCP> Date: 15 Feb 91 21:33:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: NEABBS multi-line BBS +31-20-5733533 (20x), Amsterdam, Holland. Lines: 6 Hi, I just downloaded the game of monty python. It is an arcade game which features mr Gumby going through a maze. Does anybody have more info on this game? Thanx Dries Bessels Amsterdam, The Netherlands #! rnews 2124 Path: telmail!neabbs!ajbrouw From: ajbrouw@neabbs.UUCP (ALBERT-JAN BROUWER) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: Imploder vs. PowerPacker Message-ID: <569055@neabbs.UUCP> Date: 15 Feb 91 22:42:46 GMT Distribution: world Organization: NEABBS multi-line BBS +31-20-5733533 (20x), Amsterdam, Holland. Lines: 45 First off: The Imploder V3.1 + documentation and support stuff may be found on Fish disk 422. We didn't release all that stuff in one release. Apperently somebody went through the effort of collecting the various items. It looks fairly complete so I guess it'll do until 4.0 comes along. We're not about to repeat past mistakes and do yet another incomplete release, confusing the hell out of everybody. The 4.0 distribution will be picture perfect. I'm afraid I'll have to refer people with basic queries to F422. I currently don't have affordable UseNet write access (so mailing manuals is out for sure). Chris Seaman wr
ajbrouw@neabbs.UUCP (ALBERT-JAN BROUWER) (02/20/91)
Apperently there was a slight problem with the mailing software at this site, so my previous postings got corrupted. Let's hope this time it gets through. -- The Imploder V3.1 + documentation and support may be found on Fish disk 422. No all things present there are from a single release; somebody went through the effort of collecting the various items. It looks fairly complete so I guess it'll do until 4.0 comes along. BTW, we're not about to repeat past mistakes and do yet another incomplete release, confusing the hell out of everybody. The 4.0 distribution will be picture perfect. I'm afraid I'll have to refer people with _basic_ queries to F422. I currently don't have affordable UseNet write access (so mailing manuals is out for sure). Andrew Clayton writes: > So, is this Imploder a program that one buys, or is it shareware > [:-/] or is it PD? Just curious. It used to be commercial. Discovery intl. died. So now it's free. 3.1 was only supposed to be released to a limited audience. Because it was an intermediate version the music etc. was removed. The "shareware" blurp was simply trying out how things might look. Unfortunately it got leaked. Still we endorse it as the next best thing to 4.0 (yet 2b released) > I find that -executable- packers are a waste of time and effort on > any reasonably sized HD. :-) (Though I use LHARC a lot to compress > stuff that I don't normally access). Mostly true. I only bother with the large executables/fonts/libraries and such. It does save some megs, but percentually much less so than on say a floppy system. Unfortunately even large harddrives have this odd tendency of filling up. Chris Seaman writes: > I found Imploder 3.1 on ab20, and tried it on Photon paint and Dpaint III, > with odd results. Both are overlayed, and appeared to work when compressed. > Yet, when I 'uncrunch' them, the files are different than the original > (pre-crunch) versions. Why? Before compression the Imploder preprocesses executables. It kicks out all the redundant stuff by merging subreloc tables referring to the same hunk, sorting relocs (improves compression), removing debug symbols etc. etc. So the uncrunched executable isn't guaranteed to be byte by byte identical as far as loadfile control codes are concerned. What is guaranteed is that the memory images created when the original, imploded and uncrunched program versions are loaded are identical. > Also, even though I added explode.library to libs: (I even tried using > loadlib to make it 'resident'), I can't get the 'Library' gadget > un-ghosted. That depends on what kinds of executables you're trying to crunch. Dpaint III is overlayed, and overlayed files can't be library imploded so the Imploder disables the 'Library' gadget when one of these is being processed. -Albert "Want to program the Amiga? RTFRKRMs!"