hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) (02/22/91)
Someone in one of these groups recently asked what the best Amiga demo ever made is. I think I can answer with a "here's my opinion of the best Amiga demo made SO FAR"... it's a 3 minute "rock" video called "Change Myself" created on ten Video Toaster-equipped Amigas by Todd Rundgren. The story I have on "Change Myself" is that Todd, who worked a lot with Macs, heard about the Toaster, bought himself one, got hooked on the LightWave 3D software, and decided to do an entire video using this combination. He consulted with LightWave 3D author Allen Hastings for technical assistance from time to time, and acquired 9 more Amigas+Toasters to finish the entire production in around five weeks. It should now be playing on both VH-1 and MTV in the US via your local cable channels. It is, to put it mildly, an amazing effort, and NO Amiga owner should miss it. Three minutes of constantly moving and wildly animated Amiga 3D graphics and swirling backgrounds, with Todd singing his song and his moving image mapped to different objects as they fly about the screen including leaves, a sailboat's sail, chess pieces, morphing rocks and molecules... well words fail to describe it properly. "Change Myself" is going to be analyzed and discussed by computer animation fiends and Amiga owners for a long time. Don't miss it.
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (02/23/91)
In article <7682@crash.cts.com> hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) writes: >The story I have on "Change Myself" is that Todd, who worked a lot with >Macs, heard about the Toaster, bought himself one, got hooked on >the LightWave 3D software, and decided to do an entire video using >this combination. He consulted with LightWave 3D author Allen Hastings In fact the feature of texture mapping image sequence (animations) onto surfaces was a Todd Rundgren request that Allen added. %~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~% % ` ' Mark Thompson % % --==* RADIANT *==-- mark@westford.ccur.com % % ' Image ` ...!{decvax,uunet}!masscomp!mark % % Productions (508)392-2480 (603)424-1829 % % % ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (02/25/91)
hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) writes: >The story I have on "Change Myself" is that Todd, who worked a lot with >Macs, heard about the Toaster, bought himself one, got hooked on >the LightWave 3D software, and decided to do an entire video using >this combination. He consulted with LightWave 3D author Allen Hastings [using ten Amiga/Toaster sets to finish in five weeks] A bit discouraging to think that a three minute video would take a full year of the one machine user's time, but that aside, how do I get a copy of this puppy into my dealer's hands and start really boosting Amiga multimedia sales? In the heart of Silicon Valley, where most people have more money than sense, this would really move a lot of CBM & Newtek hardware. mark@calvin.westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: > In fact the feature of texture mapping image sequence (animations) > onto surfaces was a Todd Rundgren request that Allen added. You guys want to mail me a copy of this puppy, I'll deliver it to HT Electronics (since I don't own a TV) myself, just to see the demo once, if you haven't already gotten a copy to them. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) (02/26/91)
In article <1953@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl> vansark@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl (Wilfried_van_Sark) writes: (about Todd Rundgren's Amiga-made "Change Myself" video...) > >WHere o WHere can this demo be found ???? > > Bye > It's not a "demo" that you can get on disk and load into your Amiga. (It would take hundreds of disks! :-) It's a "music video" currently running on VH-1 (and perhaps also MTV) on USA cable television. In the Netherlands, look wherever you normally see American music videos on television and if they're not running it, call and request it! Harv Laser {anywhere}!crash!hrlaser "Park and lock it. Not responsible." People/Link: CBM*HARV
hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) (02/27/91)
In article <1991Feb25.092351.3084@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: > > hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) writes: > >>The story I have on "Change Myself" is that Todd, who worked a lot with >>Macs, heard about the Toaster, bought himself one, got hooked on >>the LightWave 3D software, and decided to do an entire video using >>this combination. He consulted with LightWave 3D author Allen Hastings >[using ten Amiga/Toaster sets to finish in five weeks] > >A bit discouraging to think that a three minute video would take a full >year of the one machine user's time, but that aside, how do I get a copy >of this puppy into my dealer's hands and start really boosting Amiga >multimedia sales? In the heart of Silicon Valley, where most people have >more money than sense, this would really move a lot of CBM & Newtek >hardware. Oh, I don't know how discouraging it would be to think that a sing le user using a single Toaster would need a year to render over 7000 frames of LightWave animation, not to mention the time it must've taken to build the hundreds of objects he used. Ask Eric "Dr. Gandalf" Fleischer how long it took him to create his "Upgrade" animaiton which fills up 6 disks, all ray-traced in Turbo Silver. Sometimes I sit here futzing with Imagine for an entire day just to get one single still ray trace I'm satisfied with. Just the _idea_ of designing, debugging, and rendering 7000 frames sends shivers up and down my back. If the credits on my copy of the video are REALLY true, and Rundgren DID do almost all of the modeling and animation himself, then he's a genius. > > mark@calvin.westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes: > >> In fact the feature of texture mapping image sequence (animations) >> onto surfaces was a Todd Rundgren request that Allen added. > >You guys want to mail me a copy of this puppy, I'll deliver it to HT >Electronics (since I don't own a TV) myself, just to see the demo once, >if you haven't already gotten a copy to them. > >Kent, the man from xanth. ><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> I'd love to copy the tape and send it to ya but when I got it from NewTek it came with specific instructions not to duplicate it. Whether this is because of the degeneration it would suffer after a copy or for some other reason, I don't know. They didn't say. They just said "don't copy it" and I'm not going to. Suggest you phone NewTek in Kansas and see if they'll send you a copy. If they won't listen to you, ask your dealer to call them. Or call VH-1 or MTV and ask when they have it scheduled to run. Even if you don't have a TV/cable surely you know someone who does. Harv Laser {anywhere}!crash!hrlaser "Park and lock it. Not responsible." People/Link: CBM*HARV
roddi@bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Roddi Walker) (02/28/91)
In <7745@crash.cts.com> hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) writes: [stuff deleted] >to build the hundreds of objects he used. Ask Eric "Dr. Gandalf" >Fleischer how long it took him to create his "Upgrade" animaiton which >fills up 6 disks, all ray-traced in Turbo Silver. [stuff deleted] Hum, a 6 disk ray-traced animation by the man himself, Dr. Gandalf. Well, I'll run the risk of being predictable and ask anyone out there in netland to tell me (or post) an ftp fite where I can score this sucker (assuming it runs on a 5 MB A2000HD :-) Thanks in Advance, Rod.
erik@mcrware.UUCP (Erik Johnson) (03/01/91)
As I was scanning this group, I noticed the name Todd Rundgren. In the late sixties (I think) there was a group named Nazz led by Todd Rundgren. If this is the same man, then I must see this video. Any clue as to how to obtain a copy of it? Erik R Johnson erik@mcrware.com
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (03/01/91)
In article <7745@crash.cts.com> hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) writes: > I'd love to copy the tape and send it to ya but when I got it from NewTek > it came with specific instructions not to duplicate it. That makes sense, simply from the copyrights involved. After the flak NewTek got for the first two NewTek demos (the first was a copyright violation by itself) it's no wonder they're being careful here. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb) (03/02/91)
In article <5168@mcrware.UUCP> erik@mcrware.UUCP (Erik Johnson) writes:
-As I was scanning this group, I noticed the name Todd Rundgren.
-In the late sixties (I think) there was a group named Nazz led by
-Todd Rundgren. If this is the same man, then I must see this video.
Yep...and where have you been? Todd has put out at least 20 albums
under his own names, and with groups (Runt, Utopia), as well as
producing dozens of artists, including Patti Smith, XTC, The
Psychedelic Furs and many, many others. Rhino records re-released
the old Nazz records a few years back...I think you can even get
them on CD!
Considering his abilities with both the technical and musical sides
of pop music, it doesn't surprize me that he is capable of mastering
computer animation. This is not his first video, either. All this
and he got to sleep with Bebe Buelle to boot. ;^)
-Any clue as to how to obtain a copy of it?
I don't know for sure if it is available yet, but lots of music videos
are being sold in music/cd stores these days...you might just call your
local cd or video store.
-Erik R Johnson erik@mcrware.com
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Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: <...!mcnc!aurgate!whitcomb>
(919) 850-6231 I'm not a software engineer,
Raleigh, NC but I play one on TV.
hrlaser@crash.cts.com (Harv Laser) (03/02/91)
In article <5168@mcrware.UUCP> erik@mcrware.UUCP (Erik Johnson) writes: >As I was scanning this group, I noticed the name Todd Rundgren. >In the late sixties (I think) there was a group named Nazz led by >Todd Rundgren. If this is the same man, then I must see this video. >Any clue as to how to obtain a copy of it? > >Erik R Johnson erik@mcrware.com Yup, it's the same Todd. Right now your best bet to catch his Amiga/Toaster-made video "Change Myself" is via the cable music video channel "VH-1" - they're running it occasionally in the evening. Their phone nbr is 212-258-8000 and I hear they are receptive to requests such that if enough people call and ask for a particular video the chances of it being played more often will increase. {hint hint} Harv Laser {anywhere}!crash!hrlaser "Park and lock it. Not responsible." People/Link: CBM*HARV
Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com (03/04/91)
> A bit discouraging to think that a three minute video would take a > full year of the one machine user's time, but that aside, ... Ack! Unfortunately, animators and videographers have utterly failed in educating the public in how long it takes to do these things!!!!! (If they told the truth people would probably shy away from their services, so instead they burn themselves out by working 37-hour days and not making any money ...) Just to give you a dose of reality, many of the showcase computer-animated videos required: - about half a million dollars worth of equipment - a team of 3 - 12 people - 1 to 2 years of development for a not-uncommon cost of about $2,000,000 - $3,000,000 for 2 or 3 minutes of movie magic. No kidding. Just ask Pixar (who should know because they're still around), and Vertigo (who know even better, because they're not, along with a long sad littany of computer animation companies who slipped into the past because of the high cost/low time ratios associated with this business). Todd and Allen can be proud of how quickly this video was put together. / \ / / \\\' , / // \\\// _/ //' __ _________________________________________ \_-//' / //<' /// Julie Petersen (LadyHawke@cup.portal.com \ /// <//' /// Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com) / >> \\\` __ /// (This bird is my own original creation /,)-^>> _\` \\\ /// and those of you who are ripping it off (/ \\ / \\\ \\/// could at least credit me as the artist.) // //\\\ ---------------------------------------------------- ((`
zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (03/04/91)
In article <39765@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes: > >Ack! Unfortunately, animators and videographers have utterly >failed in educating the public in how long it takes to do these >things!!!!! Hideous amounts of time for professionals and CPU's. >for a not-uncommon cost of about $2,000,000 - $3,000,000 for 2 or >3 minutes of movie magic. No kidding. Just ask Pixar (who should >know because they're still around), and Vertigo (who know even >better, because they're not, along with a long sad littany of >computer animation companies who slipped into the past because of >the high cost/low time ratios associated with this business). Depending on the quality of the anim, this sounds about right. One of those flashy "flying logos" for sports programs or the Sunday Night Movie or whatever has a standard charge of 1 megabuck. Here's something for the rumor mill: Pixar is in big trouble. Their adventure into hardware was obsolete before it was released. Programmers are quitting the company. They haven't produced anything since "Knick-Knack". Expect them to go belly up sometime soon, leaving Pacific Data Images as the only professional computer 3-D animation company around. Their problem is the same as all the other animation companies. It's just too damn expensive to produce those things. A pity, because I love Pixar's work (especially Luxo, Jr.). Disclaimer: The above information is as reliable as its author, who is not reliable at all. Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.
nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) (03/05/91)
In article <8477@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) writes: > > Their adventure into hardware was obsolete before it was released. > Programmers are quitting the company. They haven't produced anything > since "Knick-Knack". Expect them to go belly up sometime soon, > leaving Pacific Data Images as the only professional computer 3-D > animation company around. Their problem is the same as all the other > animation companies. It's just too damn expensive to produce those > things. A pity, because I love Pixar's work (especially Luxo, Jr.). > > Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 > Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers. Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody know where their work is available. It seems like somebody posted a source a year or two back for a tape with three of the biggies (Luxo, Jr., Red's Dream, Tin Toy). Sure love to get these if still available. ---Mike -- -------- o A herd of bagels | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD | | -- oo o o escaping from a deli. | DLA Systems Automation Center | | -- ooo oo Looking for Lox in | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil -------- o o all the wrong places | CIS: 73777,360
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) (03/06/91)
In article <3003@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) writes: >Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >know where their work is available. It seems like somebody posted a source >a year or two back for a tape with three of the biggies (Luxo, Jr., Red's >Dream, Tin Toy). Sure love to get these if still available. Leave us not also forget Knickknack. I too would like to know if there is a place to get a video tape of these creations. Recently, _The 3rd Animation Celebration_ went through town, and they were handing out flyers which gave ordering information on pervious animation celebrations (& other stuff, too) on tape. The cost was kinda high, though: $40-$60 per tape, and they only ship to the US & Canada. For more information, write to: Animation P.O. Box 25547 L. A., CA 90025 Please note that I have no affiliation with this group, and no knowledge of them beyond what I got off of the flyer. All disclaimers apply... -- Dave Schaumann dave@cs.arizona.edu 'Dog Gang'! Where do they get off calling us the 'Dog Gang'? I'm beginning to think the party's over. I'm beginning to think maybe we don't need a dog. Or maybe we need a *new* dog. Or maybe we need a *cat*! - Amazing Stories
c315-25@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) (03/06/91)
In article <1041@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >In article <3003@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) writes: >>Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >>know where their work is available. It seems like somebody posted a source >>a year or two back for a tape with three of the biggies (Luxo, Jr., Red's >>Dream, Tin Toy). Sure love to get these if still available. > >Leave us not also forget Knickknack. > >I too would like to know if there is a place to get a video tape of these >creations. Yes there is. If you check out the monthly posting in comp.sys.graphics, it says where to get all of the pixar films. If I recall, they are not all that cheap, considering their length. Ken c315-25@manning.cs.ualberta.ca
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) (03/06/91)
In article <1991Mar6.024725.23890@cs.UAlberta.CA> c315-25@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes: >In article <1041@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >>I too would like to know if there is a place to get a video tape of these >>creations. [Pixar animations] > >Yes there is. If you check out the monthly posting in comp.sys.graphics, it Maybe you mean comp.graphics.digest? This is the only other "graphics" group we have, besides comp.sys.amiga.graphics... [fodder] [mudder] -- Dave Schaumann | dave@cs.arizona.edu | Short .sig's rule!
lou@vaxsc (03/07/91)
In article <39765@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes: >Ack! Unfortunately, animators and videographers have utterly >failed in educating the public in how long it takes to do these >things!!!!! (If they told the truth people would probably shy >away from their services, so instead they burn themselves out by >working 37-hour days and not making any money ...) > > [censors hard at work] > >for a not-uncommon cost of about $2,000,000 - $3,000,000 for 2 or >3 minutes of movie magic. No kidding. Just ask Pixar (who should > > [do the letters 'rm -i *' mean anything to you?] > >Todd and Allen can be proud of how quickly this video was put >together. > / > \ / / > \\\' , / // > \\\// _/ //' > __ _________________________________________ \_-//' / //' > /// Julie Petersen (LadyHawke@cup.portal.com \ /// //' > /// Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com) / >> \\\` > __ /// (This bird is my own original creation /,)-^>> _\` > \\\ /// and those of you who are ripping it off (/ \\ / \\\ > \\/// could at least credit me as the artist.) // //\\\ > ---------------------------------------------------- ((` Speaking of all this about computer animation, music videos and such, I have a question for all the animation freaks out there, be it computer animation or otherwise. Who (if anybody) remembers the Alan Parsons Project video (from the early 80's) "Don't Answer Me"? I believed it was subtitled "The adventures of Mike and Nikki". I'm sure it wasnt done using Amiga's, they werent released at that time, I'm not even sure if it was computer generated at all, but given Parson's genius, I wouldnt be surprised. If anyone remembers this, or knows more info on it, I'd love to hear about it. I haven't seen this video in years, but it was a terrific animation, and I'd like to get a copy. ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Lou Williams Via Bitnet : william8@niehs.bitnet Via Internet: lou@vaxsc.niehs.nih.gov Computer Sciences Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Sometimes in order to feel better about yourself, you have to make others feel bad, and I'm tired of making others feel good about themselves. -Homer Simpson. ----------------------------------------------------------------
c315-25@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) (03/07/91)
In article <1051@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >In article <1991Mar6.024725.23890@cs.UAlberta.CA> c315-25@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes: >>In article <1041@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >>>I too would like to know if there is a place to get a video tape of these >>>creations. [Pixar animations] >> >>Yes there is. If you check out the monthly posting in comp.sys.graphics, it > >Maybe you mean comp.graphics.digest? This is the only other "graphics" group >we have, besides comp.sys.amiga.graphics... Oops. I meant 'comp.graphics' not comp.graphics.digest. comp.graphics. Sorry for the confusion... Ken c315-25@manning.cs.ualberta.ca
zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (03/07/91)
In article <3003@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) writes: >Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >know where their work is available. It seems like somebody posted a source >a year or two back for a tape with three of the biggies (Luxo, Jr., Red's >Dream, Tin Toy). Sure love to get these if still available. My graphics professor mentioned this. He said that you can get it by contacting Pixar and buying it from them -- for about $25,000 (ouch!). BTW, he also said that he recognized a couple of TV ads as Pixar's work -- a boxing Listerine bottle and a bouncing straw piercing an orange. I have doubts about the Listerine ad, since that one did NOT do refraction and attenuation properly, but the straw one had the classic eyes on the straw that Pixar likes to use. If Pixar is putting out Ads like these, maybe the company is doing ok after all.... Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.
farren@sat.com (Michael J. Farren) (03/08/91)
dave@cs.arizona.edu writes: >>Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >>know where their work is available. >I too would like to know if there is a place to get a video tape of these >creations. It's not video tape (it's better!), but... Pacific Arts has put out a number of laser disks of computer animation. I've seen "Luxo, Jr.", "Andre and Wally B.", and parts of "Tin Toy" on the two I've seen (STATE OF THE ART OF COMPUTER ANIMATION and another title I just can't recall offhand). It's entirely possible the others are on other titles. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael J. Farren farren@sat.com | | He's moody, but he's cute. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (John Davis) (03/08/91)
In article <46746@nigel.ee.udel.edu>, lou@vaxsc writes: > Speaking of all this about computer animation, music videos and such, I have a > question for all the animation freaks out there, be it computer animation or > otherwise. > > Who (if anybody) remembers the Alan Parsons Project video (from the early 80's) > "Don't Answer Me"? I believed it was subtitled "The adventures of Mike and Nikki". > I'm sure it wasnt done using Amiga's, they werent released at that time, I'm > not even sure if it was computer generated at all, but given Parson's genius, > I wouldnt be surprised. If anyone remembers this, or knows more info on it, > I'd love to hear about it. I haven't seen this video in years, but it was a > terrific animation, and I'd like to get a copy. I've never seen the aforementioned Alan Parsons video, but my nomination for all time best computer generated rock video of that period would have to be The Rolling Stones 'hard woman' video. This came out not long after Dire Straits did 'Money for Nothing' and was _far_ superior technically (in spite of this, the dire straits video got all the attention).'Hard Woman' had all sorts of nice texture mapped raytracing in it - I'd really love to get more info on the people who did (and of course _what_ they did it on). Meanwhile I'll keep on keeping on, hoping that this new Todd Rundgren video makes it out here to the edge of the world, sooner rather than later.. ----------------------------------------------------------- | o John Davis - CHEM194@canterbury.ac.nz o | | o (Depart)mental Programmer,Chemistry Department o | | o University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand o |
nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) (03/08/91)
In article <1051@caslon.cs.arizona.edu>, dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: > In article <1991Mar6.024725.23890@cs.UAlberta.CA> c315-25@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes: > > > >Yes there is. If you check out the monthly posting in comp.sys.graphics, it > > Maybe you mean comp.graphics.digest? This is the only other "graphics" group > we have, besides comp.sys.amiga.graphics... > > Dave Schaumann | dave@cs.arizona.edu | Short .sig's rule! I didn't find a comp.sys.graphics either, but it is in comp.graphics, which is probably what was meant. I just found the old information about this offer and it looks like the same posting. Here is what was in the FAQ in comp.graphics ----------------------------------------------- The various John Lasseter / Pixar computer animated shorts are available on video tape. You can order them from Direct Cinema Limited: Film Price Luxo, Jr. $14.95 Red's Dream $19.95 Tin Toy $24.95 Knickknack $24.95 Luxo, Jr./Red's Dream/Tin Toy $49.95 All tapes are on 1/2" VHS NTSC. Add $10/tape for PAL format. Also available: Tin Toy T-shirt $15.00 Knickknack 3D T-shirt $15.00 (includes glasses) Add $5 S&H for the first tape or shirt, $2 for each additional tape or shirt. Foreign shipping, add $3/tape or shirt. Call 800/525-0000 (213/396-4774 international) to charge to your credit card. Call first to verify prices and availability. Or, just write to: Direct Cinema Limited 1749 14th Street Santa Monica, CA 90404-4342 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---Mike -- -------- o A herd of bagels | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD | | -- oo o o escaping from a deli. | DLA Systems Automation Center | | -- ooo oo Looking for Lox in | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil -------- o o all the wrong places | CIS: 73777,360
faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber) (03/09/91)
In article <1991Mar07.213510.1247@sat.com>, farren@sat.com (Michael J. Farren) writes: >dave@cs.arizona.edu writes: >>>Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >>>know where their work is available. > >It's not video tape (it's better!), but... Pacific Arts has put out a number >of laser disks of computer animation. I've seen "Luxo, Jr.", "Andre and >Wally B.", and parts of "Tin Toy" on the two I've seen (STATE OF THE ART OF >COMPUTER ANIMATION and another title I just can't recall offhand). It's >entirely possible the others are on other titles. >| Michael J. Farren farren@sat.com | Yeah, the attributions are pretty screwed up, but I missed the first question, so..... The videotapes are available from PIXAR for a few bucks, say O(15.00). At least they were a year or so ago. To get the addresses to send to: 1) Check the comp.graphics FAQ list 2) If it's not there post the question there - someone there knows. ( This is where I saw the address before, and PIXAR people read it frequently ) Happy viewing! Remember kids, if there's a loaded gun in the room, be sure that you're the one holding it. --- Captain Combat Ted
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (03/09/91)
In article <8501@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) writes: >In article <3003@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil ( Michael S Figg) writes: >>Everybody seems to like Pixar's work, particularily Luxo, Jr. Does anybody >>know where their work is available. >My graphics professor mentioned this. He said that you can get it by >contacting Pixar and buying it from them -- for about $25,000 (ouch!). Hardly necessary...... The various John Lasseter / Pixar computer animated shorts are available on video tape. You can order them from Direct Cinema Limited: Film Price Luxo, Jr. $14.95 Red's Dream $19.95 Tin Toy $24.95 Knickknack $24.95 Luxo, Jr./Red's Dream/Tin Toy $49.95 All tapes are on 1/2" VHS NTSC. Add $10/tape for PAL format. Also available: Tin Toy T-shirt $15.00 Knickknack 3D T-shirt $15.00 (includes glasses) Add $5 S&H for the first tape or shirt, $2 for each additional tape or shirt. Foreign shipping, add $3/tape or shirt. Call 213-652-8000 to charge to your credit card. I would suggest calling first to verify prices and availability. >BTW, he also said that he recognized a couple of TV ads as Pixar's >work -- a boxing Listerine bottle and a bouncing straw piercing an >orange. I have doubts about the Listerine ad, since that one did NOT >do refraction and attenuation properly, but the straw one had the >classic eyes on the straw that Pixar likes to use. Both are Pixar creations as well as the Lifesavers Holes comercial with the Holes playing on a playground. Why do you believe it can't be Pixar's if the refraction or attenuation are not done properly? Refraction is rarely used in comercial animation by anyone because the expense is too great for so little effect (it generally goes unnoticed in a fast paced 5-10 second comercial). In Pixar's last non-commercial prduction, Knickknack, the water filled glass bowl that the snowman was trapped in had no refraction whatsoever. In fact I can't think of an instance in which a Pixar film ever uses refraction (with the possible exception of the deformation of the baby's head when viewed through cellophane in Tin Toy). %~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~% % ` ' Mark Thompson % % --==* RADIANT *==-- mark@westford.ccur.com % % ' Image ` ...!{decvax,uunet}!masscomp!mark % % Productions (508)392-2480 (603)424-1829 % % % ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~