bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar26.033433.28060@m.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael Schwager) writes:
=-
=-Hi,
=-My name is Mike and I upload Fish disks to ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59).
=-Lionel Hummel is the person who gets them, and he forwards them on to me
=-for uploadage. The subscription has nearly run out, and up till now Lionel
=-and/or I (mostly Lionel) had provided the money for the Fish disks. Now
=-Lionel wants to bow out of the process, and I am willing to keep on
=-uploading, but I'm not willing to invest as much financially (50 bucks
=-maybe; but a subscription costs $300 for 100 disks [the cheapest rate]).
=-So, now we'd like to ask you in the Amiga Internet-community-at-large if
=-you'd like to contribute some bux to this noble cause. If so, make checks
=-payable to me, Michael (my friends call me "Mike") Schwager, and send to:
=- Mike Schwager
=- 403 S. Coler St.
=- Urbana, IL 61801
=-(this address valid until August, 1991). I'm suggesting $20, and we'll see
=-how it goes from there. But whatever you wanna contribute is fine. I have
=-no idea what kind of response we'll get. Anything over $250 I figure ought
What you otter do is to collect donation pledges in a way almost, but
not entirely unlike the way usenet votes are collected. Just asking people to
send you money is too haphazard; you might get $0, and you might get $40,000 or
so, with which amount we don't entirely trust you. :-) Also, potential donors
are more likely to contribute if they're allowed to see what others are
contributing, and how the overall effort is going. Otherwise even the most
well-intentioned of us will rationalize away that check that was almost in the
mail. This is one of the reasons PBS stations run the dreaded pledge drives.
Here's a plan: Set a goal of, say, $300, and post an announcement that you are
soliciting EMAIL PLEDGES (NOT actual contributions) of the following form:
My Name (maximum amount I am willing to contribute)
to be submitted by some suitable deadline (say within four weeks). If after
some period of time (say two weeks) the total of all pledges falls short of the
goal, post a summary of all the pledges received to date, along with a request
for additional pledges.
Once the deadline has passed, if the total amount pledged exceeds the goal, then
those who pledged are obliged to send you a donation in proportion to the amount
of their pledge, e.g. if the goal was $300, and $400 was pledged, then each
person should send you 75% of the amount they pledged.
Limiting the amount you collect in this way is very important; an "I'll take all
I can get" policy discourages people from pledging the maximum they feel they
can afford, and may make them wary of sending their pledge early for fear that
they'll be taking on more than their fair share of the burden. By
proportionally limiting the amounts of the actual donation, the burden is
equitably distributed, and the more people pledge, the less each one has to pay,
which is ideal in this case, since, unlike with charities, the cost of the
venture is fixed.
It's not necessary to calculate each person's contribution for them, just keep a
mailing list and broadcast a message stating the percentage owed when the time
comes. You might want to tack a "deadbeat factor" of 5% or so onto the amount
of the goal when calculating---not everyone who pledged will send in their
donation.
To keep things simple, you might stipulate that each pledge whould be for a
fixed amount, say $5, but this might not be a good idea. Also, you can set a
floor on the amount of each actual donation, to keep from having to ask for a
ridiculous number of 12-cent checks in the end.
Finally, you may want to get someone else to handle all this, since you're
already handling the disks. Now where is that pain in the ass who loves
collecting votes so much that he inflicted a herd of new comp.sys.amiga.*
newsgroups upon the world? :-)
I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great
convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the
first $10.
Who's next?bpv9073@sjfc.UUCP (Brett VanSprewenburg) (03/29/91)
>=- Mike Schwager >=- 403 S. Coler St. >=- Urbana, IL 61801 > >I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great >convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the >first $10. > >Who's next? Count me in for $10...next? ==Brett
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) (03/29/91)
In article <296@mohawk.cs.utexas.edu> bryan@cs.utexas.edu writes: >In article <1991Mar26.033433.28060@m.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael Schwager) writes: }=- }=-Hi, }=-My name is Mike and I upload Fish disks to ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59). }=-[plea for funds to buy more fish disks deleted] }=-[send money here:] }=- Mike Schwager }=- 403 S. Coler St. }=- Urbana, IL 61801 }=-(this address valid until August, 1991). I'm suggesting $20, and we'll see }=-how it goes from there. But whatever you wanna contribute is fine. } }[pledge idea deleted -- go read the original if you haven't already] } }I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great }convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the }first $10. } }Who's next? I think this is an outstanding idea. I bet if everyone who ever grabbed a couple of megs or more off of ux1 sent in $5, they could probably buy a lifetime subscription, and the disk space to hold it... :-) I'll be second to pledge $10. -- Dave Schaumann | dave@cs.arizona.edu | Short .sig's rule!
jonabbey@cs.utexas.edu (Jonathan David Abbey) (03/29/91)
>Count me in for $10...next?
I guess that would be me, seeing as I just got off downloading from ux1.. 8-)
I'll pledge $10.
(Hope Mike is catching these..)
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In article <296@mohawk.cs.utexas.edu> bryan@cs.utexas.edu writes: >In article <1991Mar26.033433.28060@m.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael Schwager) writes: > >Here's a plan: Set a goal of, say, $300, and post an announcement that you are >soliciting EMAIL PLEDGES (NOT actual contributions) of the following form: > > My Name (maximum amount I am willing to contribute) > >to be submitted by some suitable deadline (say within four weeks). If after >some period of time (say two weeks) the total of all pledges falls short of the >goal, post a summary of all the pledges received to date, along with a request >for additional pledges. I think the plan was to "EMAIL" not POST. I would hate to start seeing 100 or so posts on this net just to send in $10 each! It would cost the net probably 10 times this for each post! Just E-mail if you can, Please. I don't want to wade through all of this and I would like to save bandwidth and net money. PS. I, too, am sending my $10! (just thought I would get that in) ---Stuff deleted- > >I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great >convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the >first $10. > >Who's next? -- Art Warner wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu Amiga makes it happen.......IBM, Mac, Sun, and Next make it expensive!
slassini@convex.cl.msu.edu (lassini stefano) (03/29/91)
bpv9073@sjfc.UUCP (Brett VanSprewenburg) writes: >>=- Mike Schwager >>=- 403 S. Coler St. >>=- Urbana, IL 61801 >> >>I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great >>convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the >>first $10. >> >>Who's next? >Count me in for $10...next? >==Brett You can count on my check too: 10$ pledge from slassini@convex.cl.msu.edu
kzyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (03/30/91)
I pledge $10.00
Edval Santos
esantos@macdlab.ee.cornell.educseaman@sequent.UUCP (Chris "The Bartman" Seaman) (03/30/91)
bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) writes: [ A very good idea to keep th Fish swimming :-) ] < To keep things simple, you might stipulate that each pledge whould be for a < fixed amount, say $5, but this might not be a good idea. Also, you can set a < floor on the amount of each actual donation, to keep from having to ask for a < ridiculous number of 12-cent checks in the end. Perhaps it would be logical to make the 'minimum donation' equal to the cost of one fish disk at the subscription rate. At the rate of $300 per 100 disks, the per disk cost of $3.00 should be easy for most people to bear. You could think of it as 'having a Fish disk dedicated in your name' :-). < I think that having the Fish library online at a U.S. ftp site is a great < convenience, and saves many of us a lot of time and money, so I'll pledge the < first $10. < < Who's next? Me. I'll kick in $6.00, since I rely heavily on the availability of the Fish at ux1. Not sure of who to mail the pledge to, though. Are we rolling yet? Regards, Chris -- Chris (Insert phrase here) Seaman | o\ /o See cseaman@sequent.com <or> | || "Attack of the Killer Smiley"! ...!uunet!sequent!cseaman | \vvvvvv/ Coming Soon | \____/ to a newsgroup near you!
drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) (03/31/91)
In article <1991Mar29.013328.1416@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> slassini@convex.cl.msu.edu (lassini stefano) writes: >>>Who's next? > >>Count me in for $10...next? > >>==Brett >You can count on my check too: 10$ pledge from >slassini@convex.cl.msu.edu $10 pledge from drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) [...pulling up soap.box...] Listen folks, anybody that downloads Fish stuff from ux1 on a regular, or even semi-regular basis, should contribute something to Mike. Having the latest Fish disks available for very little, if any, cost and with fast transfer speed is a great convenience. Lemme put it this way. A BBS here is Austin has every Fish disk available for download, but they want $50/yr., and limit access time to 1 hour per day. Think about it. Contribute. If I (a constantly broke college student) can find the moolah, so can you. -- Thanx, Internet: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Dustin R. Christmann Bitnet: DRXMANN@UTXVM "Mein ganzes Leben hab ich nicht an sie geglaubt - Ausserirdische haben mein Maedchen geraubt!" -Die Aertze
lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) (04/01/91)
In article <46461@ut-emx.uucp> drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) writes: >$10 pledge from drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) > >[...pulling up soap.box...] I shall officially become the second member of a most noble organization of this great university, the University Amiga Computer Society, to pledge my $10.00 (assuming they take checks). That's right folks -- when we reach the $1000 mark, we can end this break and return you to more great programming here [RING] on Public Television. Now we'd like to remind you that a pledge at the $10 level will get you [RING] into the 'Fred Fish' club. As an incentive, you'll get this special exclusive tempera[RING]ture-sensitive coffee mug that reveals a picture of a fish when you pour a hot liquid into it... (BTW, to the guy who suggested we e-mail -- where to? It's hard to e-mail when you don't have an address to e-mail to...) -Logan -- =----------------------------------------------------------------= | /\/ Logan Shaw "Come to Me, all who are weary and -+- \/\ lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." | =----------------------------------------------------------------= |
schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael Schwager) (04/02/91)
Please do not post here; send me email. Send it to schwager@mike.cs.uiuc.edu include the word "pledge" in your subject. Thanks -Mike
mtpins@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Firestar) (04/08/91)
From article <46461@ut-emx.uucp>, by drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann): > Listen folks, anybody that downloads Fish stuff from ux1 on a regular, or even > semi-regular basis, should contribute something to Mike. Having the latest Fish > disks available for very little, if any, cost and with fast transfer speed is > a great convenience. Lemme put it this way. A BBS here is Austin has every Fish > disk available for download, but they want $50/yr., and limit access time to > 1 hour per day. Think about it. Contribute. If I (a constantly broke college > student) can find the moolah, so can you. Or you could save yourself the money and get them from isca.icaen.uiowa.edu. I currently have 1-450 online, and will be putting up the rest in a few weeks. In the future I'll be sending them up as they come out. Firestar -- ***************************************************************************** * Michael Pins (Firestar) | Internet: mtpins@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu * * ISCA's Amiga Librarian | #include <std.disclaimer> * *****************************************************************************
bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht) (04/10/91)
In article <5357@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> mtpins@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Firestar) writes: >Or you could save yourself the money and get them from isca.icaen.uiowa.edu. >I currently have 1-450 online, and will be putting up the rest in a few weeks. >In the future I'll be sending them up as they come out. Unfortunately, isca.icaen.uiowa.edu is not accessable via BITFTP, so for those of us who are FTP-impaired, ux1 is about all that is publicly available. -- bruce@zuhause.mn.org