andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) (03/06/91)
Hello All! I am currently pricing a new system (A3000, et al). I called Montgomery Grant and they quoted me prices that were CHEAPER than the educational discount program! A friend of mine said that M.Grant has might actually deal in the grey market (used PCs). Anyone have experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? They quoted me a price of $2,450 (or close to) for a 25Mhz 50M HD A3000. They also quoted me $3,400 (oct) for the 100M HD w/5M memory version. They also had the Sharp JX300 for only $1689 (much cheaper than the $2299 that some of the other mail orders quote me). Please send me replies since this is such a major purchase. (Just for your info, I will probably still go with the ed. discount since I would probably get better service). But I would still get the scanner from Mont Grant. Thanks in advance, -Rich -- // Rich | "Truth is disputable; not taste." - Hume \X/ Andrews | "180 degrees from sick is still sick" - J. Bradshaw
tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) (03/07/91)
In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: > Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have > experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? Argh! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! Does this answer your question? :-) ------///------------------------------------------------------------ /// Tyler "Ty" Sarna E-Mail: tsarna@polar.bowdoin.edu \\\/// "So you see, the overhead gets underfoot..." --\XX/---------------------------------------------------------------
higgin@cbmvax.commodore.com (Paul Higginbottom - CATS) (03/07/91)
In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
$I am currently pricing a new system (A3000, et al). I called
$Montgomery Grant and they quoted me prices that were CHEAPER than the
$educational discount program! A friend of mine said that M.Grant has
$might actually deal in the grey market (used PCs). Anyone have
$experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me?
My only comment to you is that Montgomery Grant is not an authorized
reseller of Commodore products.aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) (03/07/91)
In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: >In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of >comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: >> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have >> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? >NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER >Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! But why? Sure prices look way too good to be true, but if they are that bad, how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines and havent been sued yet? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Alejandro Liu |EMail: aliu@usc.edu |All mispellings are intentional 3131 Mc Clintock #151F |Voice: 213-745-2372 |Anything mentioned here is not Los Angeles, CA 90007 |Data: 213-475-2371 |necessarily true.
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (03/07/91)
In article <15564@chaph.usc.edu> aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) writes: >In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: >>In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of >>comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: >>> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have >>> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? >>NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER >>Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! > >But why? > >Sure prices look way too good to be true, but if they are that bad, >how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines and havent >been sued yet? > Who's to say they haven't been sued? Facts: 1) They have charged below dealer price 2) They aren't an authorized dealer 3) Commodore has signled them out to specifically state that you will not get a warranty if you buy from them 4) People have gotten used computers when buying from them An individual can sue for money, but can't close down the business. That requires governmental action and that is very rare. Have you ever seen their "store"? They are in the middle of Penn Station, railroad station. The entire area smells of urine and vomit. This isn't a store. It is a rip-off joint. I went in with someone to help him buy a machine (a long time ago). They were either very ignorant or liars. Either way they don't deserve your business. The most telling thing is that they sell below dealer cost. >-- >_____________________________________________________________________________ >Alejandro Liu |EMail: aliu@usc.edu |All mispellings are intentional >3131 Mc Clintock #151F |Voice: 213-745-2372 |Anything mentioned here is not >Los Angeles, CA 90007 |Data: 213-475-2371 |necessarily true. -- Ethan Upon leaving office, Ronald Reagan began renting an office in the penthouse of the Fox Plaza, the Los Angeles high-rise used as the location for the terrorist movie "Die Hard".
UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) (03/08/91)
In article <1991Mar7.065847.21534@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) says: > >3) Commodore has signled them out to specifically state that you > will not get a warranty if you buy from them This isn't quite true. The warranty *starts* when a dealer sells the machine to a "customer." Mont. Grant is NOT a dealer. Therefore, the warranty starts when Mont. Grant buys the machine from whoever it buys it from. (Usually a dealer who has too many and will take a loss to get rid of a few.) Then MG sells the machine to *you*. Guess what? You don't get a warranty from Commodore. MG has a warranty from Commodore, but that doesn't do you much good.
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (03/08/91)
In article <91066.130659UH2@psuvm.psu.edu> UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) writes: >In article <1991Mar7.065847.21534@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, >es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) says: >> >>3) Commodore has signled them out to specifically state that you >> will not get a warranty if you buy from them > >This isn't quite true. The warranty *starts* when a dealer sells the >machine to a "customer." Mont. Grant is NOT a dealer. Therefore, the My point was that Commodore has specifically mentioned Montgomery Grant to say that they don't have a warranty for you. They mentioned MG by name, the problems with them were so numerous. -- Ethan Upon leaving office, Ronald Reagan began renting an office in the penthouse of the Fox Plaza, the Los Angeles high-rise used as the location for the terrorist movie "Die Hard".
rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) (03/10/91)
In article <15564@chaph.usc.edu> aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) writes: >In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: >>In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of >>comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: >>> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have >>> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? >>NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER >>Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! >But why? >Sure prices look way too good to be true, but if they are that bad, >how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines and havent >been sued yet? 1. They are no longer a Commodore authorized distributor. 2. Magazines stay alive through paid advertising. They can't be too picky. 3. Over the last year or so it has been documented here on the net that MG will sell you a used machine as new. MG has terrible service, and it is a great hassle to get them to replace anything defective. If you buy a machine from MG, Commodore won't touch it with a ten foot pole. You pay your money, and you take your chances. Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP frog!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) (03/12/91)
In article <15564@chaph.usc.edu> of comp.sys.amiga.misc, "Alex C. Liu" <aliu@aludra.usc.edu> writes: > In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: > >In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of > >comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: > >> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have > >> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? > >NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER > >Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! > But why? Because they are only out to rip you off. When I was looking to buy a 2000 I called around a bit. I talked to MG first, since they advertised the lowest prices. I called them up and asked a few questions. At one point the guy mentioned that it "also includes the mouse and keyboard". When I said "of course it does!", the guy responded "Oh...". I also asked if it included the 1.3 ROM (1.3 had come out a few months before) and he said "I don't know, let me look..." After about 5 minutes he came back and said "No, it doesn't. That would be $125 extra" So I called another place. When I asked if the 1.3 ROM was included, the guy said "sure it is, who was trying to sell you one without? They [C=] have been shipping them with 1.3 ROMS for over a month now!" When I mentioned MG he responded "It figures", and gave me the whole run-down on them. If I had bought from MG, by the time I bought a 1.3 ROM and fatter Agnus from them, the aditional several hunderd dollars added on their advertised price would have actually made it cost more than an equivalent machine from any of the reputable mail-order firms. That's assuming the machine from MG actually worked and was in good condition. Since then I have met several people who haven't been as lucky. Several have received dented/scratched/non-functional equipment with various items (mouse/keyboard/disks/manuals/origional boxes) not included. Two actually lost money because they had orders in when MG went bankrupt one of its many times. > Sure prices look way too good to be true, That's because they are. > but if they are that bad, > how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines Because AmigaWhirled and co. don't really want to turn down those nice, expensiv,e two-page, 3-color ads. > and havent been sued yet? Who's to say they haven't been sued? ------///------------------------------------------------------------ /// Tyler "Ty" Sarna E-Mail: tsarna@polar.bowdoin.edu \\\/// "Welcome to the Late Show/Starring Null and Void" - Men@Work --\XX/---------------------------------------------------------------
lou@vaxsc (03/13/91)
In article <9103091142.55@rmkhome.UUCP>, Rick Kelly <rmkhome!rmk> writes: >In article <15564@chaph.usc.edu> aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) writes: >>In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: >>>In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of >>>comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: >>>> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have >>>> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? >>>NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER >>>Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! >> >>But why? >> >>Sure prices look way too good to be true, but if they are that bad, >>how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines and havent >>been sued yet? [edited] >2. Magazines stay alive through paid advertising. They can't be too picky. Let me take a moment to say that AmigaWorld stays alive via more than just paid advertising. At $29.95 (us) for a magazine that SMALLER than the WEEKLY Macweek publication, and with approximately the same number of adverts? Don't get me wrong, they have some good articles, I just find them a bit pricey for no more information than they have. BTW this ties in because they FREQUENTLY run full 2-page ads for Montgomery Grant, with no disclaimer in the back about MG not being an authorized dealer. Of course, this is only conjecture and should not be taken as gospel. ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Lou Williams Via Bitnet : william8@niehs.bitnet Via Internet: lou@vaxsc.niehs.nih.gov Computer Sciences Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Sometimes in order to feel better about yourself, you have to make others feel bad, and I'm tired of making others feel good about themselves. -Homer Simpson. ---------------------------------------------------------------- All of the above is only my opinion, and likely warped ones at that.
terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts) (03/13/91)
In article <47367@nigel.ee.udel.edu> lou@vaxsc writes: >Let me take a moment to say that AmigaWorld stays alive via more than just >paid advertising. At $29.95 (us) for a magazine that SMALLER than the >WEEKLY Macweek publication, and with approximately the same number of >adverts? >Don't get me wrong, they have some good articles, I just find them a bit >pricey for no more information than they have. >BTW this ties in because they FREQUENTLY run full 2-page ads for Montgomery >Grant, with no disclaimer in the back about MG not being an authorized >dealer. I think what is needed here is a letter writing campaign to the magazines complaining about these ads. I once wrote to .info about it & was told that they kept running the ad because they had no complaints. These magazines need to be told what a diservice they are doing to the Amiga community by accepting ads from Montgomery Grant. I get upset every month when I see that ad and wonder how many other people are going to order from them because the ad is in a reputable magazine. Terry | Terry Ricketts | Internet: terry@helios.ucsc.edu | Senior Electronics Engineer | loel@helios.ucsc.edu | Lick Observatory Electronics Lab | Phone: 408-459-2110 | University of Calif, Santa Cruz |
jimmy@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan) (03/14/91)
In article <13382@darkstar.ucsc.edu> terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts) writes: > I think what is needed here is a letter writing campaign to the magazines >complaining about these ads. I once wrote to .info about it & was told that >they kept running the ad because they had no complaints. These magazines need >to be told what a diservice they are doing to the Amiga community by accepting >ads from Montgomery Grant. I get upset every month when I see that ad and >wonder how many other people are going to order from them because the ad is in >a reputable magazine. > Terry While you send notes to the magazines, you should also include a note to the Better Business Bureau of the state that Montgomery Grant is operating from. Instead of only trying to get them out of the magazines, it might be much easier/better to close them down for unfair business practices.
fstuart@eng.auburn.edu (Frank Stuart) (03/14/91)
In article <11943@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> jimmy@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan) writes: >In article <13382@darkstar.ucsc.edu> terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts) writes: >> I think what is needed here is a letter writing campaign to the magazines >>complaining about these ads. I once wrote to .info about it & was told that >>they kept running the ad because they had no complaints. These magazines need >>to be told what a diservice they are doing to the Amiga community by accepting >>ads from Montgomery Grant. I get upset every month when I see that ad and >>wonder how many other people are going to order from them because the ad is in >>a reputable magazine. >> Terry > >While you send notes to the magazines, you should also include a note to >the Better Business Bureau of the state that Montgomery Grant is operating >from. Instead of only trying to get them out of the magazines, it might be >much easier/better to close them down for unfair business practices. This is a very good idea. I've had problems with Mibro in the past, and didn't get any action at all until I called the Better Business Bureau (Mibro even hung up on me...avoid like the plague!). You might also check your state agencies (look in the phone book under Alabama, state of, for example). If you have a specific complaint, E-Mail me the details, and I'll keep it on file and add a tick on my list of amiga mail order dealers. --Frank fstuart@eng.auburn.edu
dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) (04/09/91)
In article <9103091142.55@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes: >In article <15564@chaph.usc.edu> aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex C. Liu) writes: >>In article <46741@nigel.ee.udel.edu> tsarna@pooh (Tyler Sarna) writes: >>>In article <Mar.5.22.30.07.1991.1704@tubes.rutgers.edu> of >>>comp.sys.amiga.misc, Rich Andrews <andrewsr@tubes.rutgers.edu> writes: >>>> Montgomery Grant [...] Anyone have >>>> experiences with them that they could briefly mention to me? >>>NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER >>>Do business with Montgomery Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! > >>But why? > >>Sure prices look way too good to be true, but if they are that bad, >>how come they keep advertising in "reputable" magazines and havent >>been sued yet? > > >1. They are no longer a Commodore authorized distributor. > >2. Magazines stay alive through paid advertising. They can't be too picky. > >3. Over the last year or so it has been documented here on the net that MG > will sell you a used machine as new. MG has terrible service, and it is > a great hassle to get them to replace anything defective. > 4. They are desparate for your business. They are even open on Sundays! 5. They are in New York City. Enough said! :) > >If you buy a machine from MG, Commodore won't touch it with a ten foot pole. >You pay your money, and you take your chances. > > > >Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP frog!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP -- David Tiberio SUNY Stony Brook 2-3481 AMIGA DDD-MEN -- Any students from SUNY Oswego? Please let me know! :)
grmg6820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Geoffrey R. Mason) (04/11/91)
I once called Montgomery Grant looking for good prices for Hard Drives... The guy on the phone was rude and curt to me... There was a HUGE "installation cost" added on to plop my HD into the controller peripheral box... They would not answer questions! This was an order line! Sheesh! -- Geoffrey R. Mason | grmg6820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Department of Psychology | gmason@s.psych.uiuc.edu University of Illinois | x9999bng@maple.circa.ufl.edu