cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) (03/30/91)
I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. Could someone either point out where it is, either in a usenet archive or a ftp site, or e-mail the serial.device (don't forget uuencode) to me. I seem to remember (from somewhere) that workbench 1.3.2 fixed a bug in workbench 1.3's serial.device and I think it may fix some crashes I get when using my serial port. Thanks for any help, Corey -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Corey Gehman | "you will get to watch the Amiga | | cg377170@lion.eng.clemson.edu | FIREWORKS_DISPLAY mode." | | cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu | - Intuition Reference Manual |
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (03/31/91)
cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) writes: >I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, >either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. >Could someone either point out where it is, either in a usenet archive >or a ftp site, or e-mail the serial.device (don't forget uuencode) to me. >I seem to remember (from somewhere) that workbench 1.3.2 fixed a bug in >workbench 1.3's serial.device and I think it may fix some crashes I get >when using my serial port. If i remember correctly 1.3.2 was NOT to be made available via normal PD sources. (Why?) However.... I just got 1.3.3 (Even Newer eh?) From my local dealer. No idea what it fix's tho, some libraries/handlers ect are a little bigger. -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu aka Willis F York aka Squid on IRC The only thing that Apple invented is the idea to borrow Xerox-invented ideas. (Hope THIS sig don't insult anyone!) :^)
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (04/03/91)
In article <1991Mar29.205911.5199@hubcap.clemson.edu> cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) writes: > >I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, >either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. >Could someone either point out where it is, either in a usenet archive >or a ftp site, or e-mail the serial.device (don't forget uuencode) to me. You will never find any Workbench or other Commodore system disk on a public server (on a *legal* one), because all this stuff is copyrighted. You have to *buy* this. It's called "1.3 Enhancer Kit". -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
poirier@ellerbe.rtp.dg.com (Charles Poirier) (04/16/91)
In article <1037@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >In article <1991Mar29.205911.5199@hubcap.clemson.edu> cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) writes: >> >>I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, >>either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. >You will never find any Workbench or other Commodore system disk on >a public server (on a *legal* one), because all this stuff is >copyrighted. You have to *buy* this. It's called "1.3 Enhancer Kit". >Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... >Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk Excuse me if I am confused, but when I purchased the "1.3 Enhancer Kit", I got 1.3 flat, not 1.3.2. The latter was an incremental patch of some sort distributed as freeware by someone from Commodore. I believe this patch did contain a copyright notice specifying permission to redistribute, under very reasonable conditions. Certainly one is required to *buy* 1.3 before the 1.3.2 patch can be applied; I don't think the original poster meant to imply otherwise. I think I got my copy off PeopleLink's Amiga Zone. Cheers, Charles Poirier poirier@dg-rtp.dg.com
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr15.184408.1575@dg-rtp.dg.com> poirier@ellerbe.rtp.dg.com (Charles Poirier) writes: ]In article <1037@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: ]>In article <1991Mar29.205911.5199@hubcap.clemson.edu> cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) writes: ]>> ]>>I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, ]>>either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. ] ]>You will never find any Workbench or other Commodore system disk on ]>a public server (on a *legal* one), because all this stuff is ]>copyrighted. You have to *buy* this. It's called "1.3 Enhancer Kit". ] ]>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... ]>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk ] ]Excuse me if I am confused, but when I purchased the "1.3 Enhancer Kit", I ]got 1.3 flat, not 1.3.2. The latter was an incremental patch of some sort ]distributed as freeware by someone from Commodore. I believe this patch did ]contain a copyright notice specifying permission to redistribute, under very ]reasonable conditions. Certainly one is required to *buy* 1.3 before the ]1.3.2 patch can be applied; I don't think the original poster meant to imply ]otherwise. ] I got my copy off a local BBS. The following is the relevant portions of the file named LICENCE, which was included with the archive: ---- begin inclusion ---- ] SINGLE COMPUTER END-USER ] SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ] ] ]PLEASE CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS BEFORE USING THIS ]SOFTWARE. ANY DOWNLOADING, REPRODUCTION, COPYING OR OTHER USE OF THE ]SOFTWARE WILL CONSTITUTE ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU ]DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM YOU SHOULD DISCONTINUE THIS TRANSMISSION. ] ]I. LICENSE ] ] Commodore-Amiga, Inc. ("Commodore") makes this Software available ]subject to the following non-exclusive license. You are responsible ]for selecting the appropriate Software (computer programs and related ]documentation) to meet your needs, and for its installation, use and ]results. ] ] A. This license allows you to: ] ] 1. Use the Software only on a single AMIGA computer. ] You must obtain a supplementary license from Commodore before ] using the Software in connection with any other use; ] ] 2. Download the Software only on media that is ] compatible with the AMIGA; Clearly, this (along with the previous mention of downloading) clearly implies this should be freely available. ] 3. Make one copy of the Software in any machine ] readable form for backup purposes. The Software is protected by ] United States copyright law. You must reproduce the Commodore ] copyright notice on any copy of the Software; [...] ] ] ] [...] YOU SPECIFICALLY AGREE NOT TO ] DECOMPILE, MODIFY, NETWORK, RENT, LEASE, LOAN, SELL OR DISTRIBUTE ] THE SOFTWARE, OR ANY COPY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ] UNAUTHORIZED REPRODUCTION OF A COPY OF THE SOFTWARE OR UNAUTHORIZED ] TRANSFER OF ANY COPY OF THE SOFTWARE MAY SUBJECT YOU TO A LAWSUIT ] FOR DAMAGES, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, AND ATTORNEY'S FEES. Unfortunately, this seems to imply that I can't pass it along. (Which makes no sense at all to me.) I'd put it on an ftp site, except that it seems like it would be a violation of "YOU ... AGREE NOT TO ... DISTRIBUTE THE SOFTWARE, OR ANY COPY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART." I have no intention of violating this agreement, so anyone who needs this, I suggest you call/mail/or whatever Commodore about getting yourself a copy. You might also try your local dealer. [more legal paranoia and butt-covering deleted, including (no kidding) stuff about countries in groups Q, S, W, Z, and Y] -- Dave Schaumann | We're so sorry, Uncle Albert. But the kettle's dave@cs.arizona.edu | on the boil, and we're so *easly* called away...
bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson) (04/16/91)
In article <1404@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >In article <1991Apr15.184408.1575@dg-rtp.dg.com> poirier@ellerbe.rtp.dg.com (Charles Poirier) writes: >>In article <1037@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >>>In article <1991Mar29.205911.5199@hubcap.clemson.edu> cgehman@hubcap.clemson.edu (Corey Gehman) writes: >>>> >>>>I'm looking for workbench 1.3.2. I thought it was released on the net, >>>>either by anonymous ftp or a usenet group, but I can't find it anywhere. >> >>>You will never find any Workbench or other Commodore system disk on >>>a public server (on a *legal* one), because all this stuff is >>>copyrighted. You have to *buy* this. It's called "1.3 Enhancer Kit". >> >>>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... >>>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk >> >>Excuse me if I am confused, but when I purchased the "1.3 Enhancer Kit", I >>got 1.3 flat, not 1.3.2. The latter was an incremental patch of some sort >>distributed as freeware by someone from Commodore. I believe this patch did >>contain a copyright notice specifying permission to redistribute, under very >>reasonable conditions. Certainly one is required to *buy* 1.3 before the >>1.3.2 patch can be applied; I don't think the original poster meant to imply >>otherwise. >I got my copy off a local BBS. The following is the relevant portions >of the file named LICENCE, which was included with the archive: > >> SINGLE COMPUTER END-USER >> SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ... >> [...] YOU SPECIFICALLY AGREE NOT TO >> DECOMPILE, MODIFY, NETWORK, RENT, LEASE, LOAN, SELL OR DISTRIBUTE >> THE SOFTWARE, OR ANY COPY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT >> UNAUTHORIZED REPRODUCTION OF A COPY OF THE SOFTWARE OR UNAUTHORIZED >> TRANSFER OF ANY COPY OF THE SOFTWARE MAY SUBJECT YOU TO A LAWSUIT >> FOR DAMAGES, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, AND ATTORNEY'S FEES. The fact that you got it from a BBS already constitutes a violation of the both the "can't distribute" clause and the "single computer end user" clause (which the bbs operator is not.) The BBS was distributing this illegally. If I understand it correctly, CBM did an experiment with the distribution of the 1.3.2 upgrade to 1.3. It was licensed for electronic distribution on GEnie, PeopleLink, BIX, (others?). Andy can undoubtedly address this more factually than I can but it is not a simple matter of "uploading it to the net." There are all these lawyers in the way. CBM wants to control the distribution channels for the OS so that users can go to a given place and feel fairly sure that they got the "real thing" and not some cracker's version of the OS. >Unfortunately, this seems to imply that I can't pass it along. (Which makes >no sense at all to me.) It makes sense if you look at it froom CBM's point of view. bj >Dave Schaumann | We're so sorry, Uncle Albert. But the kettle's ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brian Jackson Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga Inc. GEnie: B.J. | | bj@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com or ...{uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj | | "Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only better." | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (04/17/91)
In article <1404@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave P. Schaumann) writes: >[License deleted] >Clearly, this (along with the previous mention of downloading) clearly >implies this should be freely available. >] [...] YOU SPECIFICALLY AGREE NOT TO ... DISTRIBUTE THE SOFTWARE... >Unfortunately, this seems to imply that I can't pass it along. Not only that, it implies that whoever put it on that BBS (where you got it) broke the law. And you have received stolen property, in a sense. (Suppose it were a copy of LEMMINGS on-line that you downloaded; you'd still have an illegal copy, even if you don't distribute it any further.) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
ayrjola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ari Yrj|l{) (04/17/91)
In article <20693@cbmvax.commodore.com> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson) writes:
If I understand it correctly, CBM did an experiment with the distribution
of the 1.3.2 upgrade to 1.3. It was licensed for electronic distribution on
GEnie, PeopleLink, BIX, (others?).
Andy can undoubtedly address this more factually than I can but it is
not a simple matter of "uploading it to the net." There are all these
lawyers in the way. CBM wants to control the distribution channels for
the OS so that users can go to a given place and feel fairly sure that
they got the "real thing" and not some cracker's version of the OS.
If Commodore would have TCP/IP connection to Internet they could
control the distribution to all over the world, not just USA.
I guess mac owners are very pleased being able to get the latest
system upgrade from ftp.apple.com, or admins who get bug fixes
for cisco terminal servers from cisco.com etc...
--
Ari Yrj|l{ Internet: ayrjola@hut.fi /
JMT 3B 231b BITNET : LK-AY AT FINHUT / Money talks -
02150 ESPOO UUCP : ..!mcsun!santra!ayrjola / but not to me
Finland, Europe VoiceNet: +358-(9)0-468 3088 :/ borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) (04/18/91)
In article <AYRJOLA.91Apr17154204@vipunen.hut.fi> ayrjola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ari Yrj|l{) writes: >If Commodore would have TCP/IP connection to Internet they could >control the distribution to all over the world, not just USA. [...] >Ari Yrj|l{ Internet: ayrjola@hut.fi / If a "me too" would help, then I'd say Me Too(i.e. could somebody at C= please think hard and long about setting up ftp@cbmvax.commodore.com to allow ftp-ing new system-programs/parts. There is next to none here in Europe that has access to things like BIX. I can only say please, please.) -- |/// borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Nost) B2000 rev 4.1 \\\| |// ...and then there was AMIGA... \\| |/ studying at the worlds northernmost university (Tromsoe, Norway) \|
al158305@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) (04/19/91)
I'm ov the same opinion, I think CBM should open a node
in internet with anonymous ftp access, and not just place
the last version of kickstart there, but any version available,
it happens when one *needs* a kickstart 1.0/1.1 for our latest
and greatest hardware hack, but... etc etc, see what I mean?
OR, the second-best thing, give permission to the guy at
ab20 to upload them to his machine, maybe in a directory like
/amiga/os/ with lotsa files inside, imagine something like:
/amiga/os/kickstart1.0
/amiga/os/kickstart1.1
.
.
/amiga/os/kickstart1.3.3 (wow!)
/amiga/os/workbench1.0
.
.
etc etc.. for extras disks too.
So, come one commodore!! You've already done the "send
the new distribution to nets" move, now send it to an open
net, like internet for access by everyone!! I have a question:
if I want to use kickstart 1.3 and dont have close access to
a software store, WHY DO I HAVE TO BUY A MODEM AND SUBSCRIBE
TO A PAY SERVICE TO GET THEM??? Gimme a break... :(
Gustavo
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+--------------------------------+------------------------------------+barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (04/19/91)
In article <3211@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> al158305@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes: >I have a question: >if I want to use kickstart 1.3 and dont have close access to >a software store, WHY DO I HAVE TO BUY A MODEM AND SUBSCRIBE >TO A PAY SERVICE TO GET THEM??? Oh, I dunno... Maybe because they are commercial products? Why do people expect to get free software from Commodore? It would certainly be NICE, but your loud complaint is uncalled for (IMHO). Also, a site like ab20 (just as an example, not picking on ad) is not necessarily a secure machine, with an Amiga archive run by volunteers. Compuserve/etc. are (I think) fairly secure pay network with run by salaried employees. If you were a company that had to support its software, and ensure that only legitimate copies were distributed, which of two sites would you choose? Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////