pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) (04/25/91)
This is going to be a long one. First of all, I just bought a 80 MB harddisk
from gvp; it's for my A500, and I think it's called Impact Series II or Impact+
or something like that. There's a bootselector on front of it, in case that
helps to specify it(selects whether the A500 should boot from the harddisk
or not.). It was formatted to one, autobooting partition, when I got it, and
newest workbench/extras was on it.
So to the first questions: I've been told, that since it's WB 1.3, I should do
fastfilesystem. But also, that an autobooting partition can't be fastfilesystem. Therefore:
#Is it true, that since it autoboots on this partition, I don't do ffs on it
currently?
#Should I reformat it in two or more partitions, having a small autoboot part-
ition and one or several more ffs partits ?
#Is this ffs system any good ? Does it give an increase like 1% and therefore
isn't the extra work, or is it desirable?
#What good is partitions ? Why not have only one ? In userinterface, several
partitions means
you get several Disk Icons on the workbench screen(instead of having them
in the first drawer, since I presume I'll put different things in them, like
system on one, applications on a second and my "work" files on the third, or
something like that)
#If several partitions are needed/desirable, how do YOU organize your system?
previously, on floppys, I've had no need for this. But I know from Unix,
that i'd like a good structure for this. So this question is mostly,
about if 20 MB wb/autoboot, rest app/data in ffs would be a good splitup,
or what would be.
#the previous question leads to my final problem: How is the application/
workfiles/utilities deal handled ? I'll give some examples:
Texts, like readmes, are given a default tool. I've both seen
:more , :C/more and SYS:utilities/more
which one did Commodore intend ? It is further complicated by things as
how it should work with applications: DeluxePaint, Amigabasic, Documents
for wordprocessors, anims and modules.
A solution to some of it is when you can select both the application and your
own file(with shift) and then doubleclick, but I'm only glad this works. I
really want it to work just by clicking on the documenticon.
#is there an assign/link option for files, like applications(instead of drawers, like fonts: and SYS: ? If there is, I could solve the application problem
by writing :deluxepaint etc. in the default tool.
#Is there a way to change the line applications add to their datafiles? Two
examples: I want amigabasic to put another default tool in the icons it
creates, and the same goes for deluxePaint. Right now, I think they
put :Amigabasic and :Dpaint as default tools.
#How does : work ? I used to think of it as root, like / on unix, but now I'm
not quite sure.
#where should one put applications like deluxe paint, so they''ll work nicest?
That is to solve the :Amigabasic :Dpaint problem.
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right now, I have l, libs, c, s and all the other NoIcon directories in the root.
And a drawer called WB, in which I've put Tools, System, Utilities, and the
rest of the IconDrawers. So S: Fonts: l: etc are assigned to root, and
SYS: assigned do Harddisk:WB. This works allright now, but I expext to be
dirty, and wrong. In the root window, I therefore have three drawers: WB, App
and Usr. You guess what I put in each; DpaintIII goes in App as an example, and
so does games.
Sorry for this awful messy, long posting, but I really need some info on
organizing the system on a harddisk.
E-mail or post, as you find appropriate.
--
From the notorious
Jakob Gaardsted, Computer Science Department
Bed og arbejd ! University of Aarhus, Jylland (!)
(Pray and work!) AMIGA! | I'd rather play Moria.s902113@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Luke Mewburn) (04/30/91)
pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes: ->This is going to be a long one. First of all, I just bought a 80 MB harddisk ->from gvp; it's for my A500, and I think it's called Impact Series II or Impact+ ->or something like that. There's a bootselector on front of it, in case that ->helps to specify it(selects whether the A500 should boot from the harddisk ->or not.). It was formatted to one, autobooting partition, when I got it, and ->newest workbench/extras was on it. ->So to the first questions: I've been told, that since it's WB 1.3, I should do ->fastfilesystem. But also, that an autobooting partition can't be fastfilesystem. Therefore: ->#Is it true, that since it autoboots on this partition, I don't do ffs on it ->currently? If the disk you boot too is 80Mb in size, then, yes, you have only one partition. ->#Should I reformat it in two or more partitions, having a small autoboot part- ->ition and one or several more ffs partits ? If you don't have much on the HD, this is a good idea. ->#Is this ffs system any good ? Does it give an increase like 1% and therefore ->isn't the extra work, or is it desirable? It gives an extra ~5% in storage (ie, OFS gives 488 bytes/sector, and FFS gives 512 bytes/sector, so you get more storage space). It is, as the name says, fast (a lot faster than the old system used on floppies) ->#What good is partitions ? Why not have only one ? In userinterface, several ->partitions means ->you get several Disk Icons on the workbench screen(instead of having them ->in the first drawer, since I presume I'll put different things in them, like ->system on one, applications on a second and my "work" files on the third, or ->something like that) That is correct. ->#If several partitions are needed/desirable, how do YOU organize your system? ->previously, on floppys, I've had no need for this. But I know from Unix, ->that i'd like a good structure for this. So this question is mostly, ->about if 20 MB wb/autoboot, rest app/data in ffs would be a good splitup, ->or what would be. Well, a good organisation is this: - Small (maybe less than 1Mb, or even just 250K) OFS boot partition, which mounts the other FFS partitions, and transfers control to the second. - 2-5Mb FFS partition, with the workbench & extras disc (if you like the stuff on it :-) in it. So, you have LIBS: C: L: S: DEVS: etc. in here this is so the disc doesn't search thru 78Mb whilest looking for the 'LS' command. - one or two more partitions. Probably one. This contains the rest of the junk. Again, this is an FFS partition. Boot off the first partition, assign the vital stuff to the second partition (the 2 - 5 Mb one) [you can use a short program call 'MoveSYS' to do all the assigns like C: DEVS: L: LIBS: FONTS: SYS: (etc) to the second partition. ->#the previous question leads to my final problem: How is the application/ ->workfiles/utilities deal handled ? I'll give some examples: ->Texts, like readmes, are given a default tool. I've both seen ->:more , :C/more and SYS:utilities/more Best thing to do here is to put your favorite more program in sys:utilities/more, and then: duplicate it in C:, or make every text file point to the one in sys:utilities. ->which one did Commodore intend ? It is further complicated by things as ->how it should work with applications: DeluxePaint, Amigabasic, Documents ->for wordprocessors, anims and modules. ->A solution to some of it is when you can select both the application and your ->own file(with shift) and then doubleclick, but I'm only glad this works. I ->really want it to work just by clicking on the documenticon. ->#is there an assign/link option for files, like applications(instead of drawers, like fonts: and SYS: ? If there is, I could solve the application problem ->by writing :deluxepaint etc. in the default tool. Well, a quick trick is this: Put your apps in their respective drawers (eg. FH1:applications/dpiii/ for dpaint three on fh1:. Now, dpaint expects a file called deluxepaint:dpaintiii (ie, dpaintiii program on a disc called 'deluxepaint'. So, just do an assign deluxepaint: fh1:applications/dpiii (using the above references to locations.) ->#Is there a way to change the line applications add to their datafiles? Two ->examples: I want amigabasic to put another default tool in the icons it ->creates, and the same goes for deluxePaint. Right now, I think they ->put :Amigabasic and :Dpaint as default tools. <see above explaination.> ->#How does : work ? I used to think of it as root, like / on unix, but now I'm ->not quite sure. Well, you're right. : refers to the root on the current drive. <name>: refers to the root on disc <name> so, ':more' refers to a program called 'more' in the root directory. ->#where should one put applications like deluxe paint, so they''ll work nicest? ->That is to solve the :Amigabasic :Dpaint problem. <see above about 25 lines...> ->-------------------- ->right now, I have l, libs, c, s and all the other NoIcon directories in the root. ->And a drawer called WB, in which I've put Tools, System, Utilities, and the ->rest of the IconDrawers. So S: Fonts: l: etc are assigned to root, and ->SYS: assigned do Harddisk:WB. This works allright now, but I expext to be ->dirty, and wrong. In the root window, I therefore have three drawers: WB, App ->and Usr. You guess what I put in each; DpaintIII goes in App as an example, and ->so does games. It'll work if you do the assigns as suggested above. ->Sorry for this awful messy, long posting, but I really need some info on ->organizing the system on a harddisk. ->E-mail or post, as you find appropriate. ->-- ->From the notorious -> Jakob Gaardsted, Computer Science Department ->Bed og arbejd ! University of Aarhus, Jylland (!) ->(Pray and work!) AMIGA! | I'd rather play Moria. Don't worry, my explainations match your questions: 'orrible! hehehe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Luke Mewburn (Zak) | This side for rent... | | s902113@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au | |
nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Michael S Figg) (05/01/91)
In article <1991Apr30.000254.15229@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s902113@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Luke Mewburn) writes: > > Well, a good organisation is this: > - Small (maybe less than 1Mb, or even just 250K) OFS boot partition, which > mounts the other FFS partitions, and transfers control to the second. > . . . > Boot off the first partition, assign the vital stuff to the second partition > (the 2 - 5 Mb one) [you can use a short program call 'MoveSYS' to do all > the assigns like C: DEVS: L: LIBS: FONTS: SYS: (etc) to the second partition. What needs to be in the first (OFS) partition? Just S:? Is this changed with 2.0? Thanks, ---Mike, -- -------- o A herd of bagels | Michael Figg DSAC-FSD | | -- oo o o escaping from a deli. | DLA Systems Automation Center | | -- ooo oo Looking for Lox in | Cols, Ohio mfigg@dsac.dla.mil -------- o o all the wrong places | CIS: 73777,360
joshin@ucscf.UCSC.EDU (98896000) (05/03/91)
I have my entire hd on ffs including the boot partition. I have WB1.3.
david@starsoft.hou.tx.us (Dave Lowrey) (05/03/91)
In article <3187@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> nfs1675@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Michael S Figg) writes: > > In article <1991Apr30.000254.15229@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s902113@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Luke Mewburn) writes: > > > > Well, a good organisation is this: > > - Small (maybe less than 1Mb, or even just 250K) OFS boot partition, which > > mounts the other FFS partitions, and transfers control to the second. > > > . > . > . > > Boot off the first partition, assign the vital stuff to the second partition > > (the 2 - 5 Mb one) [you can use a short program call 'MoveSYS' to do all > > the assigns like C: DEVS: L: LIBS: FONTS: SYS: (etc) to the second partition. > > > What needs to be in the first (OFS) partition? Just S:? Is this changed > with 2.0? > > > Thanks, > > ---Mike, > Here is what is in my small OFS boot partition: System: System/FastMemFirst Trashcan: Trashcan.info bin: bin/MemPri c: c/Assign c/CD c/Dir c/Echo c/Mount c/NewCli c/Run c/SetCPU c/SetPatch c/StopClick c/execute c/if devs: devs/Mountlist devs/mountlist.hd devs/system-configuration l: l/Disk-Validator l/FastFileSystem libs: libs/arp.library libs/icon.library s: s/CardROMList s/small-start s/startup-sequence s/startupii This is a total of 110853 bytes. I have included a couple of non-necessary items, such as SetCpu, StopClick, MemPri, and Arp. The first few line of my startup sequence look like this: SetPatch >NIL: SYS:System/FastMemFirst :bin/MemPri -5 c00000 c:SetCPU fastrom CARDROM s:CardROMList verbose stopclick 3a0000 ; mount fh0: from devs:MountList.HD mount fh1: from devs:MountList.HD mount fh3: from devs:MountList.HD assign sys: fh0: assign c: SYS:c assign L: SYS:l assign FONTS: SYS:fonts assign S: SYS:s assign DEVS: SYS:devs assign LIBS: SYS:libs .... At this point, I am done with the boot disk. One other small point to remember....If you change preferences, you need to copy devs:system-configuration to the devs directory in your boot partition. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- These words be mine. The company doesn't care, because I am the company! :-) Dave Lowrey | david@starsoft.hou.tx.us Starbound Software Group | Houston, TX | "Dare to be stupid!" -- Weird Al Yankovic