jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) (05/05/91)
0. The dealer was *out* of all 3000 models ("We sold two in two
days with this program."). Also, they're the only dealer in
the greater Houston Area, so stock could be a problem...
1. I bought: A3000/25-50 at "Power Up" price and a 1950 monitor
for $3024 (tax included).
2. If I had wanted to by the 1950 educational, I would have had
to wait a couple of weeks and do the typical edu paperwork.
3. Edu discounts apparently don't require the purchase of a
cpu. Want a periph at edu prices? Just go buy one.
--
J. Eric Townsend - jet@uh.edu - bitnet: jet@UHOU - vox: (713) 749-2120
Skate UNIX or bleed, boyo...
(UNIX is a trademark of Unix Systems Laboratories).es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (05/05/91)
In article <1991May5.003042.29062@menudo.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes: > >2. If I had wanted to by the 1950 educational, I would have had >to wait a couple of weeks and do the typical edu paperwork. > I hope your dealer didn't tell you that cause it is totally untrue. There is one page which doesn't require a signature. You fill it out, show the dealer your ID, pay by credit card, and walk out of the store with your monitor 10 minutes later. This is also why you now have to pay tax. -- Ethan "Brain! Brain! What is Brain?"
mwills@x102a (wills ms 01309) (05/10/91)
In <1991May5.003042.29062@menudo.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes: >1. I bought: A3000/25-50 at "Power Up" price and a 1950 monitor >for $3024 (tax included). My dealer quotes his "Power-Up" flyer: A3000/16-50 $1849 w/user manual cover (which one? RKM, DOS Ref... :-) A3000/25-50 $2249 Pretty grey 3-hole user man :-( A3000/25-100 $3199 inciting these questions: 1. What would be involved in a later upgrade from 16MHz to 25MHz? I'm told IBMers must swap entire motherboards. Could it be only a faster cpu and different clock (new crystal or is it solid state?) here? 2. What's involved in going from 50MB HD to 100MB or greater? Is there room and controller support for an additional drive? Whose? 3. What's needed to upgrade to Unix? I gather that it's not available (at least unbundled) yet from comp.unix.amiga... Are all the guys who have it developers? 4. Which DOS ROMs will I find in a new A3000/25-50? 2.0X ? -- - Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. Scott Wills, Mail Stop: 102-4844 INTERNET: mwills@x102a.ess.harris.com Harris Corporation UUCP: uunet!x102a!mwills Government Aerospace Systems Division CCMail: harris.mwills1 P.O. Box 94000 FAX: 407-729-3211 Melbourne, Florida 32902 Voice: 407-729-3283 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
xgr39@isuvax.iastate.edu (Marc Barrett) (05/15/91)
In article <6246@trantor.harris-atd.com>, mwills@x102a (wills ms 01309) writes: >1. What would be involved in a later upgrade from 16MHz to 25MHz? I'm >told IBMers must swap entire motherboards. Could it be only a faster >cpu and different clock (new crystal or is it solid state?) here? In all of the A3000 models, the CPUs (68030 and 6888x) are soldered and surface mounted. The crystals are also soldered. This means that the direct upgrade (by replacing the CPUs and the crystal) is very, very difficult. However, I have an upgrade for the A3000/16 that would make you much happier than a simple upgrade from 16Mhz to 25Mhz. The 16Mhz and 25Mhz versions of the A3000 only differ in the CPUs and the crystal. If you have a card for the CPU slot that has its own 25Mhz clock, and you plug this card into the A3000/16, your 16Mhz A3000 instantly becomes a 25Mhz machine! This means that you can buy the A3000/16 now to save money, and then upgrade to a 25Mhz 68040 system with Commodore's 68040 card for the A3000 when it comes out. > >4. Which DOS ROMs will I find in a new A3000/25-50? 2.0X ? The A3000 currently comes with AmigaDOS 2.0, but not in ROM. 2.0 has not been committed to ROM yet, for any Amigas. When 2.0 is committed to ROM, all A3000s will come with the 2.0 ROMs (and, as a result, 512K more of usable memory). >-- > > - Scott >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >M. Scott Wills, Mail Stop: 102-4844 INTERNET: mwills@x102a.ess.harris.com >Harris Corporation UUCP: uunet!x102a!mwills >Government Aerospace Systems Division CCMail: harris.mwills1 >P.O. Box 94000 FAX: 407-729-3211 >Melbourne, Florida 32902 Voice: 407-729-3283 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------- / Marc Barrett -MB- | BITNET: XGR39@ISUVAX.BITNET / / ISU COM S Student | Internet: XGR39@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU / ------------------------------------------------------------ \ ISU : The Home of the Goon / \ Who wants to Blow Up the Moon / -------------------------------------------------------
ewilts@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (Ed Wilts) (05/15/91)
In article <6246@trantor.harris-atd.com>, mwills@x102a (wills ms 01309) writes: > inciting these questions: > > 1. What would be involved in a later upgrade from 16MHz to 25MHz? I'm > told IBMers must swap entire motherboards. Could it be only a faster > cpu and different clock (new crystal or is it solid state?) here? It's a motherboard swap. The crystal is clocked faster, plus the cpu chip is faster and the floating point chip becomes a 68882 instead of a 68881. These are not user-replaceable parts. > 2. What's involved in going from 50MB HD to 100MB or greater? Is > there room and controller support for an additional drive? Whose? You can add almost anybody's 3.5" SCSI drive in one of the 2 additional drive bays in the A3000 case. 5 1/4" drives can go into an expansion case. There is an external SCSI port on the A3000. > 4. Which DOS ROMs will I find in a new A3000/25-50? 2.0X ? You'll find Kickstart images on the hard drive; one with 2.0x (probably 2.02 or 2.03) and another with 1.3. You can select from either of these via a boot menu. The default out of the box is to load the Kickstart image from the devs directory of the WB_2.x: partition. 2.0 ROMS are not available yet. > -- > M. Scott Wills, Mail Stop: 102-4844 INTERNET: mwills@x102a.ess.harris.com -- .../Ed Preferrred: Ed.Wilts@BSC.Galaxy.BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA Ed Wilts Alternate: EdWilts@BCSC02.BITNET (604) 389-3430 B.C. Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (05/15/91)
In article <1991May14.153727.8216@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca> ewilts@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (Ed Wilts) writes: >In article <6246@trantor.harris-atd.com>, mwills@x102a (wills ms 01309) writes: >> inciting these questions: >> >> 1. What would be involved in a later upgrade from 16MHz to 25MHz? I'm >> told IBMers must swap entire motherboards. Could it be only a faster >> cpu and different clock (new crystal or is it solid state?) here? > >It's a motherboard swap. The crystal is clocked faster, plus the cpu chip is >faster and the floating point chip becomes a 68882 instead of a 68881. These >are not user-replaceable parts. > The whole point is kinda moot. It looks like about $850 for an 040 board that will take over the bus and boost the clock to 25MHz. -- Ethan GEORGE BUSH MURDER ASSASSINATE PENTAGON CAPITOL WHITE HOUSE Greetings to the loyal Americans working at the NSA! Enjoy.
metahawk@aix01.aix.rpi.edu (Wayne G Rigby) (05/15/91)
In article <6246@trantor.harris-atd.com> mwills@x102a (wills ms 01309) writes: > >1. What would be involved in a later upgrade from 16MHz to 25MHz? I'm >told IBMers must swap entire motherboards. Could it be only a faster >cpu and different clock (new crystal or is it solid state?) here? Presently, there is no other way besides a motherboard swap, but there should be plethora of 25 MHz accelerator cards for both the '030/882 and '040 processors out any time now. >2. What's involved in going from 50MB HD to 100MB or greater? Is >there room and controller support for an additional drive? Whose? The built in SCSI controller allows up to 7 more drives to be daisy-chained externally. Also, there is one unoccupied internal bay, in which you could place an internal 3.5 inch SCSI hard drive in place of one of the external 7 drives allowed. Other drive options include hard cards which are hard drives on cards that fit into an Amiga expansion slot. These are more expensive since they also have a drive controller built in, whereas SCSI drives don't. >3. What's needed to upgrade to Unix? I gather that it's not available >(at least unbundled) yet from comp.unix.amiga... Are all the guys who >have it developers? Commodore's UNIX bundle (not yet released, but very soon). Includes a Q150 tape with all the software needed, UNIX ROMs to be inserted on the A3000 mother board, and manuals. (Note: these are just my observations from the general news I've heard and not exactly what the bundle might contain.) >4. Which DOS ROMs will I find in a new A3000/25-50? 2.0X ? None. There is a patch ROM installed which causes the computer to load the DOS from hard drive. The actual 2.0X ROMS are suppose to be out "soon." 2.03 (disk) is available to A3000 owners, and 2.04 (Beta) is available to developers. >-- > > - Scott >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >M. Scott Wills, Mail Stop: 102-4844 INTERNET: mwills@x102a.ess.harris.com >Harris Corporation UUCP: uunet!x102a!mwills >Government Aerospace Systems Division CCMail: harris.mwills1 >P.O. Box 94000 FAX: 407-729-3211 >Melbourne, Florida 32902 Voice: 407-729-3283 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wayne Rigby Computer and Systems Engineer (in training) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute metahawk@rpi.edu
terjepe@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Pedersen) (05/16/91)
Not that important anymore.. I just got a kickstart 2.0 that works on a A500 and WB 2.0 works great! TP