manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) (02/02/91)
Commodore Amiga 3000UX - BORN TO RUN UNIX SVR4
----------------------------------------------
When it comes to computers for professionals today, two facts stand
out indisputably.
One fact is that, across the board, from super-computers to single-
user workstations, UNIX System V Release 4 is simply the standard
to adopt. For system portability. For user friendliness. For
networking. For compatibility of architecture. For future Growth.
The other fact is that the new Commodore Amiga 3000UX is the computer
that put UNIX SVR$ on your desk right now. Affordably. Reliably.
Ergonomically. With a completeness of design that already has the
industry experts raving.
To the world, perhaps, the emergence of the Amiga 3000UX is a stunning
revelation; a pratical UNIX System V Release 4 workstation that
outperforms systems many times its cost. To us at Commodore, however,
it is the culimination of a long and careful process. We developed
and marketed earlier versions of UNIX System V, and we were one of
the first companies to demonstrate UNIX SVR4. While others boasted
of their achievements, we at Commodore have quietly and determinedly
gone about the business of putting all of the strategic advances of
SVR4 into a box that you can plug in and turn on.
And we've done it. The Amiga 3000UX is proving itself in offices,
classroom and laboratories nationwide. And, like all Commodore
solutions, it stands alone in capability for its price class.
Prove it to yourself. Turn the page.
It begins with power. More specifically, 8 MB fast RAM -- or optionaly
16 MB fast RAM -- of power, packed into a 32-bit Motorola processor.
Giving you all the power you need to run UNIX System V Release 4,
along with the X Window System (tm) and the Open Look (tm) Graphical
User Interface, which are both provided on every pre-loaded Amiga
3000UX system. Plus such standard networking capabilities as
NFS, TCP/IP and Ethernet (tm).
And we're talking about an ABI-compliant industry standard UNIX SVR4,
not some proprietary implementation. This is not just another hardware
clone. The Amiga 3000UX is the real thing.
READY TO RUN. OUT OF THE BOX.
Open the box, plug in the Amiga 3000UX, and you have a complete
Release 4 system up and running on your desktop. With no installation
delays or unplanned reconfigurations. It's that simple. We designed
the Amiga 3000UX to be a totally integrated system that provides all
of the tools of SVR4 as standard equipment.
When we say the Amiga 3000UX system comes complete, we mean complete.
With built-in multi-format floppy disk drive. Internal and external
disk capacity. A 94-key keyboard. An available color or monochrome
display. A mouse. RAM expansion capability to 18 MB on the mother-
board. And full system software, including thousands of on-line
UNIX manual pages.
EVERYTHING UNIX HAS TO GIVE
The Amiga 3000UX was concieved by and for the users of UNIX System
V Release 4. If you can do it with Release 4, you can do it with
the Amiga 3000UX. And probably do it better. That includes the
following capabilities:
- The X Window System and all SVR4 graphic functions without
modification.
- Open Look Graphical User Interface and Tool Kit.
- Bourne Shell, Berkeley Shell, Korn Shell, Restricted Shell,
Remote Shell and Job Control Shell.
- RFS and NFS networking utilities which, when used with Virtual
File Format, make it easier to build large, heterogenous
system.
- elm, making electronic mail simple for even a new user.
- Emacs and vi, to provide a variety of text and program
editing options.
But having full command of UNIX SVR4 is just the beginning of what
you can do with the Amiga 3000UX. It is, after all, the progeny of
long line of systems famous for their graphic, multitasking and
multi-media talents. And that means built-in access to AmigaDOS(tm)
and Amiga high-resoultion graphics. Control of color fonts, character
size and other display elements. Overscanning screen size. The
ability to drive high-resolution, megapixel displays.
Internationalization for foreign keyboards. And a host of other
advantages that only an Amiga user can take for granted.
If you really want to know how the Amiga 3000UX brings UNIX System
V Release 4 to the workstation, you should ask the people who use
it. So we did. Listen to what Amiga 3000UX users at some of the
nation's leading institutions, and a leading publication, have to
say.
"The Amiga just far outperformed the others."
Last year, after years of using Apple Macintosh systems, Virginia
Tech's Computer Science Department decided to change suppliers for
their student computers. The school's computer science majors
are required to buy UNIX-based systems, and fron now on, the
Department says, they'll be buying Amigas.
The decision was not a hasty one. The department carried out an
exhaustive review of systems from all the major UNIX players --
nearly 20 in all -- before making a choice. And the winner was
the Amiga 3000UX. Why? Ask James Arthur, Associate Professor
of Computer Sciences at Virginia Tech and Chairman of the
department's PC selection commitee.
The Amiga 3000UX, Arthur says "was head and shoulders above the
other machines. The Amiga just far outperformed the others. We
could have been conservative and gone with the IBM or the Epson, or
we could go out on a limb and get a lot more machine for the money."
"We have been using Amiga almost from day one."
At Westinghouse Science and Technology Center's Human Sciences
Department in Pittsburgh, the Amiga is an indispenable part of
the company's advanced research efforts. Lab Manager Gary Sherwin
is crystal-clear about the reasons.
"We have been using the Amiga for advanced scientific research
almost from day one," says Sherwin. "I like the solidity of
UNIX and the usefulness of being able to run multiple operating
systems on the same machine."
"The most complete implementation of UNIX SVR4."
YOu may have seen Ben Smith's review of the Amiga 3000UX in the
December, 1990 issue of Byte magazine. In this article, titiled
"A UNIX Graphics Workstation for the Rest of the World," Smith had
this to say about the Amiga 3000UX:
"This workstation is the most complete implementation of the new
AT&T UNIX System V Release 4. ...[It] is not a clone, nor a work-alike,
nor a toy. It is no-nonsense workstation that is impressive and
compact.... The Amiga 3000UX greatly outperforms the equivalent
NeXT and Macintosh with A/UX... it is an obvious choice as a low-end
workstation."
"As slick an implementation as any I've seen"
At the University of Southern California, Amiga 3000UXs are up and
running after being connected with the school's existing network.
How does USC Director of Systems Maqrk Brown rat the Amiga's
connectivity? Listen:
"[It is] as slick an implementation as any I've seen," Brown says.
"We took it out of the box, switched it on and connected it to our
network. It worked fine."
"Amiga UNIX is impressive implementation of System V Release 4."
Richard A. Miner, Research Manager at the University of Lowell's
Center for Productivity Enhancement, makes these observations about
the Amiga 3000UX as a research tool:
"Here at Lowell, we run an industry-conscious center where we
conduct research and development of hardware and software for
Fortune 500 companies. We have been working with the Amiga UNIX
System since the early prototype stage, and have produced a significant
number of applications and development tools. The robust implementation
of the operating system and environment, along with the availablity
of standards in Amiga UNIX, have enabled us to integrate with our
other systems and port numerous applications. Amiga UNIX is an
impressive implementation of System V Release 4."
SITE SERVICE CONTRACT
If you think the Amiga 3000UX itself is something to get excited
about, wait until you see the Amiga guarantee; if you have any
problems or questions about your Amiga 3000UX system, we will do
everything we can to solve the problem -- even making a hardware
service visit to your site, at no additional cost, for the first
year from the date of purchase.
Here's how it works:
When you have a question or problem, you call our tool-free number
where a trained Amiga customer service specialist, seated at an
Amiga 3000UX just like yours, will help you solve your problem.
If that doesn't do it, we'll connect you with an engineer who will
continue working with you. And if it's a hardware problem that we
can't solve through our customer service system, we'll send a
technician out to your location to solve it. At no additonal
cost for the first year.
All of which means that when you come in to see the Amiga 3000UX
for yourself, we can guarentee that you'll come away happy.
We're now selecting Advanced Systems Dealers to represent the
Commodore UNIX range of systems. For the one nearest you, call
our toll-free number, 1-800-66-AMIGA.
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Item to Note:
The last page showed a 3 button Commodore mouse! :-)
Folks this is one NICE flyer!
-mark=
+--------+ ==================================================
| \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision"
| /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu
| / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA"
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yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (02/02/91)
Gee from the sounds of a 3000ux I know what i want when i graduate from Purdue.. Not a New car.. A 3000UX!! Questions tho: 1) Whats "openlook" I've seen/used suntools/X11/Openwin (I like Openwin best) But haven't seen Openlook. 2) DOes anyone know if "GRASS" will run well on a 3000UX.. GRASS is a "PD" (Goverment owned) Geographicial Resource Analysys System Software. With it ya can input a LOT of data, Like Land ownership, SoilPh, Soiltype, Slope, ect.... ANd MORE.. and then get back Maps showing the layers and relationships.. The reason i ask is my Major is Drifting Toward GRASS type programs.. and the Program is "PD" (I think that's the "best" term) ps: I think they should install TEX on the 3000ux too.. :^) ------ The 3000UX, a machine to PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT that the amiga is MORE THEN JUST GOOD AT PLAYIN GAMES... . -- yorkw@ecn.purdue.edu Willis F York says: IF ya meat an Amiga Owner that says: "I got my amiga Just to play games...: there's only one thing to do... Give him a Boot to the head... Then repeat .... Then repeat...
giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) (02/02/91)
You know, one of the things I'd be interested in hearing about is how
the Virginia Tech students are getting along with their Amigas, and
how the Dept. of CS there feels about them at this point in time....
--
Eric Giguere giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
Quoth the raven: "Eat my shorts!" --- Poe & Groeningzerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (02/02/91)
In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >Commodore Amiga 3000UX - BORN TO RUN UNIX SVR4 >---------------------------------------------- Ulch. What marketroid dweeb spewed this? It's complete with overstatements: >When it comes to computers for professionals today, two facts stand >out indisputably. Overstatements. >One fact is that, across the board, from super-computers to single- >user workstations, UNIX System V Release 4 is simply the standard >to adopt. Misleading statements (AT&T hasn't officially released SYS5R4 yet, as far as I've heard). >For system portability. For user friendliness. Unix? User friendly? Hah! Even the NeXT isn't really user friendly when you have to do real system administration. >For >networking. For compatibility of architecture. For future Growth. > >Affordably. Reliably. >Ergonomically. With a completeness of design that already has the >industry experts raving. Wow! Three then four sentence fragments in a row! Do marketing people really think that poor grammar impresses computer professionals? > >"The Amiga just far outperformed the others." > Look! Blurbs! >compact.... The Amiga 3000UX greatly outperforms the equivalent >NeXT and Macintosh with A/UX... it is an obvious choice as a low-end >workstation." What do you mean by "outperforms?" The equivalent NeXT has a 68040 and inarguably better sound and screen resolution (no color, though). Good thing this is in a quote. I'm sure the 3000UX is a wonderful machine, and I'm certainly going to try to upgrade my 3000 to run Unix one of these days, but this marketing tripe makes me sick. Hype like this really doesn't belong verbatim on Usenet. At least I'm glad to see that the machine is going to be agressively marketed. Just so I don't have to put up with it.... Followups to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.
guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (02/03/91)
>1) Whats "openlook" I've seen/used suntools/X11/Openwin (I like Openwin best) > But haven't seen Openlook. OPEN LOOK is a look and feel specification for window system applications and window managers. I assume "Openwin" refers to Sun's Open Windows X11/NeWS stuff; if so, it conforms to the OPEN LOOK L&F specification - it uses the "olwm" window manager (originally developed by Crucible in Santa Cruz, according to the comments in the source, and now presumably maintained by Sun), which is an OPEN LOOK window manager, and the XView and OLIT toolkits, both OPEN LOOK toolkits. XView is a descendant of SunView (which is, in turn, a descendant of SunWindows/"suntools"), and OLIT is an AT&T-developed (originally, although there may be some Sun work in it now) OPEN LOOK "Xt"-based widget set. AT&T also, for some unknown and rather obnoxious reason, seems to want to call some of *their* X11 stuff "OPEN LOOK" - I suspect that refers to the OLIT toolkit and *their* OPEN LOOK window, workspace, and file managers, while "XWIN" refers to their X11 server and lower-level libraries and applications. S5R4 includes, in some sense, X11/NeWS and OPEN LOOK - I think the GUI stuff is a separate part of S5R4 - in that you get the Sun X11/NeWS server (and, I think, the AT&T XWIN server) as part of the source (although you may get it on a separate tape, which you may have to order and even pay for separately), along with the OLIT and XView toolkits and, presumably, AT&T's OPEN LOOK window/workspace/file managers (and, I suspect, the XWIN versions of Xlib and Xt). Given that, Commodore's S5R4 probably includes some amount of that stuff.
guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (02/03/91)
>>One fact is that, across the board, from super-computers to single- >>user workstations, UNIX System V Release 4 is simply the standard >>to adopt. > >Misleading statements (AT&T hasn't officially released SYS5R4 yet, as >far as I've heard). Well, the "across the board" stuff does come across a bit of marketingspeak, although there are a lot of vendors who are adopting S5R4 (including both workstation/PC vendors such as Sun, Commodore, and various PClone vendors, and possibly supercomputer vendors as well). However, if you haven't heard that AT&T's officially released S5R4, it's time to clean out your ears; a number of vendors are selling S5R4 *NOW* for various PClones, and ICL is, I think, selling their SPARC-based DRS6000 *NOW* running S5R4. I don't remember whether the Sun "developer's release" of SunOS/S5R4 is out yet.
guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (02/03/91)
>- Bourne Shell, Berkeley Shell, Korn Shell, Restricted Shell, > Remote Shell and Job Control Shell. On the other hand, this is rather silly, althoguh maybe that's what you want in a blurb. The "Berkeley Shell" is presumably the C shell, or at least that's what everybody *I* know calls it (if nobody else calls it the "Berkeley Shell", perhaps it's *NOT* a good name to use in a marketing blurb!). The "Job Control Shell", the "Restricted Shell", and the "Bourne Shell" are, as far as I know, all implemented by the *SAME* binary. If you run it as "sh", it's the Bourne shell; if you run it as "jsh", it's the "Job Control Shell" (i.e., Bourne shell with job control); if you run it as "/usr/lib/rsh", it's the "Restricted" shell (although I've heard it's not quite as secure as some might think). The "Remote Shell" is now what "rsh" is, the "Restricted Shell" being sent off to "/usr/lib" so that BSDites won't have to think of the remote shell as being "remsh" (as it is in some existing S5 systems). I wouldn't count it as an *additional* shell, though; i.e., the list of shells given there really has only three shells in it: Bourne, C, and Korn - or 2 1/2, if you think of the Korn shell as a Bourne shell superset.
manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) (02/03/91)
In article <1991Feb2.053655.20343@maytag.waterloo.edu>, giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes: > You know, one of the things I'd be interested in hearing about is how > the Virginia Tech students are getting along with their Amigas, and > how the Dept. of CS there feels about them at this point in time.... On of our computer science instructors went on a mission to Va. Tech to find out this information himself. This instructor returned with tales of glory and happiness. We are working hard to remove some of the blinders that some of the folks have at this university. I suspect there are Amiga 3000UX systems in our future! > > -- > Eric Giguere giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA > Quoth the raven: "Eat my shorts!" --- Poe & Groening -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================
jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) (02/04/91)
In article <5692@auspex.auspex.com> guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) writes: >Korn - or 2 1/2, if you think of the Korn shell as a Bourne shell >superset. Why doesn't C= stick GNU-BASH in there? It'd be an easy thing to add, and easy to port. I've used it on the FSF machines, here, and the BYU machines. (I had to compile the one at BYU myself...) -- // Joseph Hillenburg, Secretary, Bloomington Amiga Users Group \X/ joseph@valnet.UUCP jph@irie.ais.org jph@ai.mit.edu "Only Apple could slow down a 68030 chip" --Computer Shopper
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (02/05/91)
In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >Commodore Amiga 3000UX - BORN TO RUN UNIX SVR4 >READY TO RUN. OUT OF THE BOX. >Open the box, plug in the Amiga 3000UX, and you have a complete >Release 4 system up and running on your desktop. With no installation >delays or unplanned reconfigurations. That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// ps: I feel sorry for the marketroid that had to write all that drivel. As a long-time UNIX sysadmin, it made me feel ill. But perhaps it'll bring in the buyers....
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (02/05/91)
In article <KD9+DW-@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >Why doesn't C= stick GNU-BASH in there? I'll take a guess -- it's too new and largely undocumented. The most recent version (1.05, by my watch) has bugs and comes with no real docs. (Bug example: type "history". Core dump. Yes, we reported it.) More than any other program, a shell has to be bug-free. Text editors and compilers run a *very* close second. IMHO. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) (02/05/91)
In article <7475@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: > In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >>Commodore Amiga 3000UX - BORN TO RUN UNIX SVR4 >>READY TO RUN. OUT OF THE BOX. >>Open the box, plug in the Amiga 3000UX, and you have a complete >>Release 4 system up and running on your desktop. With no installation >>delays or unplanned reconfigurations. > > That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has > got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually > comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. > You know, I flamed you over in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and I guess I get to do it again. Sigh. > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Somehow I am not laughing... > > Dan > > //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | > | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | > | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// > > ps: I feel sorry for the marketroid that had to write all that > drivel. As a long-time UNIX sysadmin, it made me feel ill. > But perhaps it'll bring in the buyers.... It did not make me ill, it was just what it seemed to be... an advertisement. Perhaps instead of acting the fool you might want to suggest a better advertisement. Better yet, why don't you just write it up and post it. We will see how well you do, we of course will use the same standards you use to judge advertising. There is a difference in a "advertisement" than a information type flyer. This was a "advertisement". I kinda doubt that this ad was directed at you. It was directed to the general semi-tech public. -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================
andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) (02/05/91)
In article <7475@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: > That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has >got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually >comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. Thank you; it was a tough job, but they did it. Did we remember to tell you about your new name ? >:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > Dan new sig for your convienence: > //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >| guest , Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | :-) andy -- andy finkel {uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "God was able to create the world in only seven days because there was no installed base to consider." Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
bairds@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Shawn L. Baird) (02/06/91)
manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >In article <7475@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >> In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >> That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has >> got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually >> comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. >> >You know, I flamed you over in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and I guess I >get to do it again. Sigh. C'mon, get a life. Just because someone else is having fun joking about the content of the article, which from my viewpoint was marketroid gibberish. Relax step back and try not to kill people for having different viewpoints. Anyways, from what I've seen of your postings, flaming must be one of your hobbies. Personally, I don't like flaming, but I felt it was important enough to rewrite this twice already due to our cranky news server. If we're going to waste net bandwidth, at least I'm going to get to waste some of it. >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) >Somehow I am not laughing... That's because the joke is on you. >> | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | >> | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | >> | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | >> >> ps: I feel sorry for the marketroid that had to write all that >> drivel. As a long-time UNIX sysadmin, it made me feel ill. >> But perhaps it'll bring in the buyers.... >It did not make me ill, it was just what it seemed to be... an advertisement. >Perhaps instead of acting the fool you might want to suggest a better >advertisement. Better yet, why don't you just write it up and post >it. We will see how well you do, we of course will use the same standards >you use to judge advertising. > >There is a difference in a "advertisement" than a information type flyer. >This was a "advertisement". I kinda doubt that this ad was directed >at you. It was directed to the general semi-tech public. > I think the fact sheet was more what I want my advertisements to be like. But hey, if it convinces the rest of the public to buy the machine I really don't care. However, I feel they are speaking down to their prospective market, most of whom I would assume already have a decent working knowledge of Unix and want some convincing on why they should by this box over the others. I also appreciate the tech notes, which contained valuable material. > +--------+ ================================================== > | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" > | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu > | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" > +--------+ ================================================== You say make up your own mind, but your view seems a little limited. Maybe it should be "Mr. AmigaBlind". I think even people from Commodore will have a bit of a laugh over his response. Loosen up a little, sheesh. | Shawn L. Baird | Or via US Snail: | | bairds@eecs.ee.pdx.edu | 17650 SE Cason Rd. | | ...uunet!tektronix!psueea!eecs!bairds | Gladstone, OR 97027 |
rodney@solar.card.inpu.oz.au (Rodney Campbell) (02/06/91)
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >In article <KD9+DW-@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>Why doesn't C= stick GNU-BASH in there? > I'll take a guess -- it's too new and largely undocumented. The >most recent version (1.05, by my watch) has bugs and comes with no real >docs. (Bug example: type "history". Core dump. Yes, we reported it.) > More than any other program, a shell has to be bug-free. Text >editors and compilers run a *very* close second. IMHO. I have 1.05.16 of bash and history works fine. I remember that this bug existed about 6 months ago and a patch was released. Rodney... _______________________________________________________________________________ Rodney Campbell - Telecom Aust |MHSnet: rodney@solar.card.inpu.oz.au Integrated Network Products |Snail : 8th Floor, 91 York Street, Sydney 2000. Customer Applications Research | or PO Box A226, Sydney South 2000, Australia. & Development |Phone : +61 (0)2 364 3346 Fax: +61 2 262 3813
jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) (02/06/91)
In article <7476@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >In article <KD9+DW-@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>Why doesn't C= stick GNU-BASH in there? > > I'll take a guess -- it's too new and largely undocumented. The >most recent version (1.05, by my watch) has bugs and comes with no real >docs. (Bug example: type "history". Core dump. Yes, we reported it.) > History has never core dumped on me. The latest is 1.06, BTW. Mail friedman@ai.mit.edu about it, as I'm not supposed to tell exactly WHERE and HOW I got it. (FSF sure can be picky sometimes...) > Dan > > //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >| Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | >| INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | >| COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// -- // Joseph Hillenburg, Secretary, Bloomington Amiga Users Group \X/ joseph@valnet.UUCP jph@irie.ais.org jph@ai.mit.edu "Only Apple could slow down a 68030 chip" --Computer Shopper
manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) (02/07/91)
In article <1455@pdxgate.UUCP>, bairds@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Shawn L. Baird) writes: > manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: > >>In article <7475@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >>> In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >>> That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has >>> got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually >>> comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. >>> > >>You know, I flamed you over in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and I guess I >>get to do it again. Sigh. > > C'mon, get a life. Just because someone else is having fun joking about the > content of the article, which from my viewpoint was marketroid gibberish. > Relax step back and try not to kill people for having different viewpoints. > Anyways, from what I've seen of your postings, flaming must be one of your > hobbies. Personally, I don't like flaming, but I felt it was important enough > to rewrite this twice already due to our cranky news server. If we're going > to waste net bandwidth, at least I'm going to get to waste some of it. I fear you have not followed this very well. The person whom I flamed flamed ME because I posted the material. I posted the material not for its technical merit but for its "interest", as it is the ONLY piece of paper that I have seen about UNIX for the Amiga. I think that it is wrong for people to take pot-shots at advertising. It is just that -- advertising. Further I believe that I contribute to the net. I do not flame people on a regular basis and if I do, it is for what I feel a good reason. I was taken to task on posting this ad. It took quite a while to type 214 lines from the advertisement. I would hope that people would _know_ that I was not posting it as fact. Sigh.. > >>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > >>Somehow I am not laughing... > > That's because the joke is on you. I believe you are wrong here. > >>> | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | >>> | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | >>> | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | >>> >>> ps: I feel sorry for the marketroid that had to write all that >>> drivel. As a long-time UNIX sysadmin, it made me feel ill. >>> But perhaps it'll bring in the buyers.... > > [unrelated material deleted] > > I think the fact sheet was more what I want my advertisements to be like. But > hey, if it convinces the rest of the public to buy the machine I really don't > care. However, I feel they are speaking down to their prospective market, most > of whom I would assume already have a decent working knowledge of Unix and > want some convincing on why they should by this box over the others. I also > appreciate the tech notes, which contained valuable material. > >> +--------+ ================================================== >> | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" >> | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu >> | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" >> +--------+ ================================================== > > You say make up your own mind, but your view seems a little limited. Maybe > it should be "Mr. AmigaBlind". I think even people from Commodore will have > a bit of a laugh over his response. Loosen up a little, sheesh. > I think that you are rude and mis-informed. > > | Shawn L. Baird | Or via US Snail: | > | bairds@eecs.ee.pdx.edu | 17650 SE Cason Rd. | > | ...uunet!tektronix!psueea!eecs!bairds | Gladstone, OR 97027 | -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================
r_moore@vger.nsu.edu (02/07/91)
>>> In article <581.27a97594@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >>> That's wonderful! I don't know how you guys did it. This has >>> got to be the first UNIX implementation I have ever seen that actually >>> comes with my "barrett" user account and password already supplied. >>> > >>You know, I flamed you over in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy and I guess I >>get to do it again. Sigh. > There are more appropiate newsgroups for jokes...this is NOT one of them ! > C'mon, get a life. Just because someone else is having fun joking about the > content of the article, which from my viewpoint was marketroid gibberish. > Relax step back and try not to kill people for having different viewpoints. > Anyways, from what I've seen of your postings, flaming must be one of your > hobbies. Personally, I don't like flaming, but I felt it was important enough > to rewrite this twice already due to our cranky news server. If we're going > I think the fact sheet was more what I want my advertisements to be like. But > hey, if it convinces the rest of the public to buy the machine I really don't > care. However, I feel they are speaking down to their prospective market, most As a member of Amiga's prospective market I would like to inform you that I did not feel as if I had been spoken down to. It is an advertisement not a reference manual. > of whom I would assume already have a decent working knowledge of Unix and and yes I do have a "decent" working knowledge of Unix. > it should be "Mr. AmigaBlind". I think even people from Commodore will have "Mr. AmigaBlind" How long did it take you to think up that one ?? Richard
hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au (James Gardiner [hunter]) (02/07/91)
In <605.27ae77fe@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: >It did not make me ill, it was just what it seemed to be... an advertisement. >Perhaps instead of acting the fool you might want to suggest a better >advertisement. Better yet, why don't you just write it up and post >it. We will see how well you do, we of course will use the same standards >you use to judge advertising. > So some one with a general knowledge of UNIX, I did find the ADVERT a little hard to read, but I read on, trying to get any REAL info out of the Advert. What I want is a Information sheet on the 3000UX FROM a commodore person. Ie official document. Then I could read what it had and did not have with what extras and PD software. Then I could make my own decisions. If I find it interesting (which I already do) My next problem is to get my hands on one.. What does it FEEL like etc. I want to see it Doing all it is rumored to do infront of my eyes. The previous rumor flood in this network AND others I use, makes me very suspicious. James Gardiner. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Gardiner [Hunter][hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au] Expert Solutions Australia UUCP: ...!uunet!munnari!hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au ARPA: hunter%bacchus.esa.oz.AU@uunet.UU.NET
niklas@appli.se (Niklas Hallqvist) (02/07/91)
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >In article <KD9+DW-@irie.ais.org> jph@ais.org (Joseph Hillenburg) writes: >>Why doesn't C= stick GNU-BASH in there? > I'll take a guess -- it's too new and largely undocumented. The >most recent version (1.05, by my watch) has bugs and comes with no real >docs. (Bug example: type "history". Core dump. Yes, we reported it.) Both of these issues are fixed! The bad thing about the fixes are that they aren't wrapped in a new tar-file, but rather in a separate patch & doc-file (i.e two files) available at most sites archiving GNU software. (I don't remember the filenames for the moment. If you can't find it by yourself, drop me a note) > More than any other program, a shell has to be bug-free. Text >editors and compilers run a *very* close second. IMHO. I couldn't agree with you more... > Dan > //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >| Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | >| INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | >| COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// -- Niklas Hallqvist Phone: +46-(0)31-40 75 00 Applitron Datasystem Fax: +46-(0)31-83 39 50 Molndalsvagen 95 Email: niklas@appli.se S-412 63 GOTEBORG, Sweden mcsun!sunic!chalmers!appli!niklas
zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (02/08/91)
In article <hunter.665901101@thomas> hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au (James Gardiner [hunter]) writes: >What I want is a Information sheet on the 3000UX FROM a commodore >person. Ie official document. Then I could read what it had and >did not have with what extras and PD software. Then I could make >my own decisions. I posted one of these in comp.sys.amiga.announce. Did it make it to your site? I think it was exactly what you want. Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.