[comp.unix.amiga] NeXT vs. Amiga 3000UX?

brsmith@cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) (03/20/91)

In <1991Mar19.003209.6819@kessner.denver.co.us> david@kessner.denver.co.us (David Kessner) writes:

>I am at the point where I'd find the extra money to buy a
>SPARC/NEXT/486 rather than getting a A3000UX-- but I think I'm just
>used to the higher performance of these machines (ie, I'm spoiled)...

EXTRA money?  Educational prices:
  NeXTstation with 105meg disk, 8meg ram, floppy:	$3,221
    (Through U of MN bookstore.)
  Amiga 3000/UXB - 100meg disk, 4meg ram, (floppy?):	$4,003

Other differences?

The NeXTstation comes with a MegaPixel grayscale display.  (Color is a
mere (HA!) $1,200 more.)  The Amiga?  I must admit I'm not sure of the
monitor in the package, but you KNOW it's got the color hardware
onboard.  So it's a matter of choice - it's easier to get a honking
B&W monitor for the NeXT, and easier to get color for the Amiga.
(Personally, I live for screen area, and grayscale stays sharper over
time...)

NeXT, of course, runs NeXTstep.  Which isn't X.  (This being the major
reason I don't own one, and probably won't get one.)

Amiga runs S5R4, which is supposed to have 4.3BSD compatibility.  NeXT
runs 4.3BSD on a Mach kernel.  NeXT is probably more stable - having
been out longer.  (And 4.3 > 5, IMHO...)

Ok - maybe it's an apples and oranges comparison.  But, being somewhat
poor, those are THE low-end Unix workstations available to me.  (No, I
don't consider {3,4}86 based ex-DOS machines worth the bother.)  I
can't help but WISH that either NeXT would get off their horse and use
X, or that Commodore would up the default memory to 8meg and offer a
humongous grayscale monitor without the extra $$$....
--
Brian  (Yet another lost soul looking to dump an Apple IIgs.)

david@kessner.denver.co.us (David Kessner) (03/20/91)

In article <1991Mar19.184812.4218@cs.umn.edu> brsmith@cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes:
>>I am at the point where I'd find the extra money to buy a
>>SPARC/NEXT/486 rather than getting a A3000UX-- but I think I'm just
>>used to the higher performance of these machines (ie, I'm spoiled)...
>
>EXTRA money?  Educational prices:
>  NeXTstation with 105meg disk, 8meg ram, floppy:	$3,221
>    (Through U of MN bookstore.)
>  Amiga 3000/UXB - 100meg disk, 4meg ram, (floppy?):	$4,003

Sorry.  I was thinking more along the lines of a A3000UX compared to a SPARC
Clone.  Using non-educational pricing:  approx $7000 for 8meg, 200meg HD 
A3000UX vs approx $8000-9000 for a SPARC (8 meg, 200 meg HD, ethernet, and
16" 1280x1024x256 display).  

I do not consider the A3000UXB an option.  It's 4 meg RAM and 100 meg HD is
not large enough for any real work.  Keep in ming that it takes 15-20 meg
just to build EMACS (which has 10 meg of source code)!  Unix and X itself 
takes about 60meg of the hard drive, and then there are the manuals...  

Also, the A3000 and the next use the 030-- which is too slow.  (I think that
was the 030 NeXT you mentioned above.)

>Ok - maybe it's an apples and oranges comparison.  But, being somewhat
>poor, those are THE low-end Unix workstations available to me.  (No, I
>don't consider {3,4}86 based ex-DOS machines worth the bother.)  I
>can't help but WISH that either NeXT would get off their horse and use
>X, or that Commodore would up the default memory to 8meg and offer a
>humongous grayscale monitor without the extra $$$....

Hmmm.  UNIX on a 386 is vrey nice-- except X on a VGA display is slow.  But
34010 boards are in the less than $1000 range, and there are some at $600!  
This makes then much more attractive...

>Brian  (Yet another lost soul looking to dump an Apple IIgs.)

Hey, I have a VIC-20 here!  Anyone looking for a VIC-20?

						- David K
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geff@iastate.edu (Underwood Geoffrey Dale) (03/21/91)

In article <1991Mar19.222210.11393@kessner.denver.co.us> david@kessner.denver.co.us (David D. Kessner) writes:
>In article <1991Mar19.184812.4218@cs.umn.edu> brsmith@cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes:
>>>I am at the point where I'd find the extra money to buy a
>>>SPARC/NEXT/486 rather than getting a A3000UX-- but I think I'm just
>>>used to the higher performance of these machines (ie, I'm spoiled)...
>>
>>EXTRA money?  Educational prices:
>>  NeXTstation with 105meg disk, 8meg ram, floppy:	$3,221
>>    (Through U of MN bookstore.)
>>  Amiga 3000/UXB - 100meg disk, 4meg ram, (floppy?):	$4,003
>
>Also, the A3000 and the next use the 030-- which is too slow.  (I think that
>was the 030 NeXT you mentioned above.)
	No.  The 030 NeXTs haven't been made for months, and there never was
a 030 NeXTstation (well, there might be some prototype I never heard of, but
there was never any 030 NeXT computer sold besides the original cube, which
has been discontinued).  The NeXT listed above uses a 68040, as does every
other NeXT computer still being built.
	BTW, did I mention that NeXT aren't using the 030 anymore?  :)

>>Brian  (Yet another lost soul looking to dump an Apple IIgs.)
>
>Hey, I have a VIC-20 here!  Anyone looking for a VIC-20?
>
>						- David K
>-- 
>David Kessner - david@kessner.denver.co.us            | do {
>1135 Fairfax, Denver CO  80220  (303) 377-1801 (p.m.) |    . . .
>If you cant flame MS-DOS, who can you flame?          |    } while( jones);

		Geff Underwood
		geff@iastate.edu

jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Darc Tangent) (03/21/91)

In article <1991Mar19.184812.4218@cs.umn.edu>, brsmith@cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes:
> In <1991Mar19.003209.6819@kessner.denver.co.us> david@kessner.denver.co.us (David Kessner) writes:
> 
> EXTRA money?  Educational prices:
>   NeXTstation with 105meg disk, 8meg ram, floppy:	$3,221
>     (Through U of MN bookstore.)
>   Amiga 3000/UXB - 100meg disk, 4meg ram, (floppy?):	$4,003

Well, I would list the hard drives as the same size since both machines use the
same Quantum drive and I would list the UXB at 5 megs RAM since you can use
chip RAM.  Of course, RAM prices are such that the difference in RAM sizes is
ignorable.

While the NeXTStation's 68040 is very nice, I wouldn't buy one because of the
lack of expandability (zero slots compared to the Amiga's four) and because I
do not like the NeXT as a development system from my two year's experience
with them; however, I have no experience with the A3000UXB so I don't know that
it would be better, but I do like my AmigaOS development system much better
than the NeXT's.

> Brian  (Yet another lost soul looking to dump an Apple IIgs.)

Ah, I remember having that problem :-).  Good luck.

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