Mario_Capellari@turtle.stgt.sub.org (Mario Capellari) (05/17/91)
Ist there any Shareware or Public Domain Version of UNIX avaible for the Amiga? I know that some people would laugh, and also I`ve never heard about it, but who kows it, if nobodys asks??? so long, -- Via DLG Pro v.96 Beta mario capellari | BBS`s for Amiga greetings.... 7000 Stuttgart 1 | ++49 711 6407689 the FRG | ++49 711 6498429 TurtleSystems UseNet:!aragon!tyrell!turtle!mario | 24H a day
s8922967@ipc02.tmc.edu (Murray John GILBERT) (05/20/91)
In article <Mario_Capellari.3450@turtle.stgt.sub.org> Mario_Capellari@turtle.stgt.sub.org (Mario Capellari) writes: >Ist there any Shareware or Public Domain Version of UNIX avaible for the >Amiga? You could try minix (by Andy Tanenbaum) availiable from Prentice Hall for $169 I think. No official support for Hard drives (Amiga MINIX) though there are some PD ones ? I haven't used Amiga Minix, but I have used IBM minix on 286s and 386s, its ok I suppose for the UNIX experience and learning OS stuff and runs quite nicely, but you really need a harddrive to use it well if not then you need lots of memory so you can put you most commonly used commands in ram. Changing bits of the Minix Kernel for our comp327 assignment was a real pain if you could only get hold of a 2MB machine in the lab, It was great when you could get one of the 33MHz 8MB 386 clones. Another thing IBMminix is all text unless you get the MINI-X graphics thingo from someone in Canberra, Australia (forget his name and email). MINI-X requires a 386 though, I don't have a clue about its compatability with/ transformability to Amiga Minix. Have a look on comp.os.minix for more inf ormation adios, Murray o
dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) (05/21/91)
In article <Mario_Capellari.3450@turtle.stgt.sub.org> Mario_Capellari@turtle.stgt.sub.org (Mario Capellari) writes: >Ist there any Shareware or Public Domain Version of UNIX avaible for the >Amiga? > >I know that some people would laugh, and also I`ve never heard about it, but >who kows it, if nobodys asks??? > >so long, > >-- Via DLG Pro v.96 Beta > >mario capellari | BBS`s for Amiga greetings.... >7000 Stuttgart 1 | ++49 711 6407689 the >FRG | ++49 711 6498429 TurtleSystems >UseNet:!aragon!tyrell!turtle!mario | 24H a day Not really, yet. However, there are three major moves towards a 100% freeware UNIX. (1) MACH, from Carnegie Mellon (forgive me if I got the spelling wrong). Currently the kernel core is freely available. No complete device drivers or UNIX command utilities that I know of yet, though. (2) GNU GNU is, I believe, working on a UNIX based on Mach. GNU already has many freely available UNIX utilities online including their C compiler, GCC. (3) BSD Berkeley is making a move to remove all AT&T code from BSD UNIX, perhaps for 4.4 (?) I don't know. They have already released several berkeley utilities as freeware. They may be basing either 4.4 or the one after on a Mach III core but I am not sure of that. I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner implementation of UNIX than Sys VR4. The current limitations, those relating to VM management (no shared memory or file mapping) should be removed by 4.4, I have heard they are redoing the entire VM subsystem. -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 891 Regal Rd. uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Berkeley, Ca. 94708 USA
jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) (05/21/91)
In article <906@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> s8922967@ipc02.tmc.edu (Murray John GILBERT) writes: >You could try minix (by Andy Tanenbaum) availiable from Prentice Hall for >$169 I think. No official support for Hard drives (Amiga MINIX) though there > are some >PD ones ? Some people at cs.vu.nl have A590/A2091 drivers running and available (beta?) A3000 will be along, I believe they have it running now. -- Randell Jesup, Keeper of AmigaDos, Commodore Engineering. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com BIX: rjesup Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion. Thus spake the Master Ninjei: "To program a million-line operating system is easy, to change a man's temperament is more difficult." (From "The Zen of Programming") ;-)
sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy) (05/22/91)
In article <21747@cbmvax.commodore.com>, jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes: |> In article <906@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> s8922967@ipc02.tmc.edu (Murray John GILBERT) writes: |> >You could try minix (by Andy Tanenbaum) availiable from Prentice Hall for |> >$169 I think. No official support for Hard drives (Amiga MINIX) though there |> |> Some people at cs.vu.nl have A590/A2091 drivers running and available |> -- Which people have these? I really want to use MINIX on my 2500 and I have the 2091. Where is the software found? Who has it? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott C. Kennedy (sck@watson.ibm.com) | "All we are saying ... Distributed High Performance Computing | is give peace a chance..." I.B.M. Thomas J. Watson Research Facility | John Lennon - Dec. 8, 1980 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
jmw@sdchemg (John M. Wright) (05/22/91)
In article <1991May21.172327.11881@watson.ibm.com> sck@biko.watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy) writes: >In article <21747@cbmvax.commodore.com>, jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes: >|> >|> Some people at cs.vu.nl have A590/A2091 drivers running and available >|> -- > Which people have these? I really want to use MINIX on my 2500 and I have >the 2091. Where is the software found? Who has it? >-- To answer your question, I am posting the following from comp.os.minix (I suggest you check out comp.os.minix if you are interested in minix; much lower volume than the various ami groups, so not difficult! For some reason, almost no amiga minix material gets posted to comp.unix.amiga. The amiga minix has come a long way since it appeared; it runs on 68020/68030 systems, supports at least one hard drive interface (the A590/A2091), and the filesystem on floppys is stable (none of these were true of the original release!, at least on 2000's!) ]From: sreiz@cs.vu.nl (Steven Reiz) ]Newsgroups: comp.os.minix ]Subject: Re: WHAT AMIGA HARD DRIVES ARE SUPPORTED UNDER MINIX!!!??? ]Date: 27 Mar 91 12:45:46 GMT ]jeremym@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes: ]]Well.. I hear that there is no *OFFICIAL* HD support for ]]Minix, and the only thing keeping me from buying it ]]is a HD patch for my Trumpcard... ]]Is it supported? If not, what *ARE*?? ]Eh, nope. The Commodore A590, with SCSI and/or XT disks connected, is ]supported. The Commodore A2091 hd controller and the A3000's harddisk ]may be supported as well. I'm saying it that careful because I'm not ](yet) sure how well our most recent version of minix works with those ]controllers. ] Steven ]PS. Our most recent version can be ftp-ed from ftp.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.6], ]directory /pub/sreiz/minix. This is a beta version, and does not yet include diffs for the source code, but Reiz and company are reported to be working hard to whip it into shape for full release. I have a trumpcard, not a 2091, so I can't address how the hard drive support works, but it runs fine on my B2000 with A2620 board. John Wright Chemistry, MS 0314, UCSD, La Jolla, CA 92093-0314 jmw@chem.ucsd.edu jwright@ucsd (619) 534-3049
etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) (05/23/91)
In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: > I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a > year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin > to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner > -Matt Go for it Matt !!
swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) (05/25/91)
In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: ] ]In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: ]> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a ]> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin ]> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner ]> -Matt ] ]Go for it Matt !! But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) -- _. --Steve ._||__ Warren v\ *| V
mmm@reaper.Chi.IL.US (Michael Marvin Morrison) (05/25/91)
In article <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: >] >]In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >]> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a >]> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin >]> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner >]> -Matt >] >]Go for it Matt !! > >But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) > > _. >--Steve ._||__ > Warren v\ *| > V I don't know whether it would be Dnix, DUnix, DAmix, or DBSD. What scares me is if Matt keeps with his tradition, we would have 'dls' 'dgrep' 'dgcc' and the ever popular 'dddcp' (Dunix to Dunix DCP). And don't forget 'DX11R4', dsockets, DCP/IP, and your DInterNet.. People will go home saying 'Turn on the Dtv honey', and 'my Dcar isn't working'. Maybe we can also look forward to a DVMS.. :-) :-) -- Michael M Morrison /| |\ mmm@reaper.chi.il.us <or> | | Cold DSteel on DIce | | reaper!mmm@miroc.chi.il.us \| |/
rhealey@digibd.com (Rob Healey) (05/27/91)
In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: >In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a >> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin >> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner >> -Matt Ummm, I don't know about BSD being CLEANER, just first... I think non-english speaking UNIX people might have a problem with BSD as well. And it would take a REAL good argument to convince me that BSD sockets and Co. is cleaner than STREAMS and TLI or as flexible when it comes to code using multiple network types dynamically without recompilation. I grant youthat MOST network code is written to the BSD socket model and has a bent toward BSD OS model because BSD had good OS extentions before SV. I think it's QUITE a bit of a stretch to call BSD cleaner than R4 tho. Flames and religeous wars to e-mail, c.u.a doesn't need religous wars filling it's bandwidth... -Rob -- Rob Healey rhealey@digibd.com Digi International (DigiBoard) Eden Prairie, MN (612) 943-9020
bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) (05/27/91)
In <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) After 15 years, it should be :-) -- Bernd Felsche, _--_|\ #include <std/disclaimer.h> Metapro Systems, / sale \ Fax: +61 9 472 3337 328 Albany Highway, \_.--._/ Phone: +61 9 362 9355 Victoria Park, Western Australia v Email: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au
1013734@hydra.maths.unsw.OZ.AU (05/28/91)
In article <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: >] >]In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >]> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a >]> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin >]> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner >]> -Matt >] >]Go for it Matt !! > >But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) > Yes!! I am pretty sure that, we, the world are ready for Dnix. After all it is better than NoNIX :-) Sheehs, you don't know how long I've been waiting for UNIX that wouldn't cost me an arm and a leg and still work with goodies like the 68030 and a hard drive. Go Matt, go, Peter Urbanec 1013734@hydra.maths.unsw.oz.au s1013734@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au ---- The only sin is stupidity. ----
dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) (05/29/91)
In article <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: >] >]In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >]> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a >]> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin >]> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner >]> -Matt >] >]Go for it Matt !! > >But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) > >-- > _. >--Steve ._||__ > Warren v\ *| > V I was thinking 'dux' :-) -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 891 Regal Rd. uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Berkeley, Ca. 94708 USA
dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) (05/29/91)
In article <1991May26.212136.20643@digibd.com> rhealey@digibd.com (Rob Healey) writes: >In article <7781@ecs.soton.ac.uk> etj90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Khaos) writes: >>In article <dillon.7891@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>, dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >>> I believe the best bet will be BSD. Current rumor puts it at about a >>> year away. You can *bet* that the moment they release it I will begin >>> to port it to the Amiga. BSD has always been a much cleaner >>> -Matt > > Ummm, I don't know about BSD being CLEANER, just first... I > think non-english speaking UNIX people might have a problem > with BSD as well. And it would take a REAL good argument to > convince me that BSD sockets and Co. is cleaner than STREAMS > and TLI or as flexible when it comes to code using multiple > network types dynamically without recompilation. > > I grant youthat MOST network code is written to the BSD socket > model and has a bent toward BSD OS model because BSD had > good OS extentions before SV. I think it's QUITE a bit of a stretch > to call BSD cleaner than R4 tho. > > Flames and religeous wars to e-mail, c.u.a doesn't need > religous wars filling it's bandwidth... > > -Rob Hm.. well, note that I never said BSD was better, just cleaner. From what I hear on this group, AT&T *really* rushed R4. I am *not* a Sys VR4 user myself, my impressions are gained from conversations. However, I did hack at the BSD kernel while at Berkeley (as well as write tons of user level stuff). The only two major items that BSD lacks are intelligent device control (i.e. filesystem-mapped in a meaningful way) and shared memory. Other items such as semaphores & signalling are also lacking but not quite as important. The socket stuff is not so difficult as all that, just a bit overblown... they created interface calls with an order of magnitude too much flexibility which tends to require a lot of work to get right. One assumes that 4.4 will address these issues. As far as language problems go, while I agree that internationalization is becomming a greater necessity these days, I do not believe that it is an kernel core issue, but more a systems level issue (e.g. shared library of terms, ...) -Matt >-- > >Rob Healey rhealey@digibd.com >Digi International (DigiBoard) >Eden Prairie, MN (612) 943-9020 -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 891 Regal Rd. uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Berkeley, Ca. 94708 USA
alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko) (05/30/91)
|> I don't know whether it would be Dnix, DUnix, DAmix, or DBSD. What scares me |> is if Matt keeps with his tradition, we would have 'dls' 'dgrep' 'dgcc' and |> the ever popular 'dddcp' (Dunix to Dunix DCP). And don't forget 'DX11R4', |> dsockets, DCP/IP, and your DInterNet.. People will go home saying 'Turn on |> the Dtv honey', and 'my Dcar isn't working'. Maybe we can also look forward |> to a DVMS.. |>Michael M Morrison /| |\ |>mmm@reaper.chi.il.us <or> | | Cold DSteel on DIce | | |>reaper!mmm@miroc.chi.il.us It's here now! Look at FSF - GNU - gcc and GCC++, gdbm, gtroff, ghostscript. gas, gawk, gdb, and real soon now GUnix. Then all the other items g68040, gsparc, gcolour-gmonitor, gworkstation, gporcshe, ghouse. gAnd gof gcourse gall gwill gbe gprovided gfor gfree gand gftp-able gfrom glocal gsite gnear gyou. -- Alex Kowalenko ACSnet: alexk@otc.otca.oz R&D Contractor UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz!alexk |||| OTC || Fax: +6 2 287 3299 Phone: +6 2 287 3131 Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia
greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org (Greg Harp) (05/31/91)
In article <dillon.8073@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >In article <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >> >>But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) > > I was thinking 'dux' :-) Ask Dan Wallach for an idea, Matt. ;-) Or how about D/UX? :) (putting on asbestos underwear...) -- greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org----greg@pfloyd.UUCP----convex!egsner!pfloyd!greg copy protection: n. A class of clever methods for preventing incompetent pirates from stealing software and legitimate customers from using it. Considered silly.
dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) (06/01/91)
In article <greg.0483@pfloyd.lonestar.org> greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org (Greg Harp) writes: >In article <dillon.8073@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >>In article <1991May24.181753.21958@convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes: >>> >>>But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) >> >> I was thinking 'dux' :-) > >Ask Dan Wallach for an idea, Matt. ;-) > >Or how about D/UX? :) (putting on asbestos underwear...) Don't like D/UX, it sounds too much like A/UX (the yucky apple unix). DUX is good not only because it starts with a D and ends in UX, but also because it starts with a D and sounds like DUCK (as in a plural Dale). :-) -Matt >-- >greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org----greg@pfloyd.UUCP----convex!egsner!pfloyd!greg >copy protection: n. A class of clever methods for preventing incompetent > pirates from stealing software and legitimate customers from using it. > Considered silly. -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 891 Regal Rd. uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Berkeley, Ca. 94708 USA
dwallach@soda.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach) (06/05/91)
>>>But is the world ready for Dnix? ;^) >> >> I was thinking 'dux' :-) > >Ask Dan Wallach for an idea, Matt. ;-) (well, as long as you asked :-) How about Sys Dr4? Or, AMDUL - A Matt Dillon Unix Look-alike? (suppose Amdahl would mind?) Well, we really need something that matches /[A-Z]e[A-Z][A-Z]/ (after all, NeWS and NeXT look just SO trendy :-) This leads to: DeAU - Dillon's (most) Excellent Amiga Unix DeAD - Dillon's Extremely Awesome Dos (added bonus: users are DeAD Heads!) but, probably the one that would stick: DuDE - Dillon's Unix Does Everything Dan Wallach dwallach@soda.berkeley.edu "Hey, man, what are you running on that computer?" "Dude, man. DuDE." "Coolness."