[comp.dcom.fax] simple connection between fax and fax modem

joseph@milton.u.washington.edu (Joseph Chan) (06/26/91)

From: joseph@milton.u.washington.edu (Joseph Chan)
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Subject: Simple connection between fax and fax modem
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I have a standalone fax machine and a fax modem (send/receive at 9600
baud) installed on my 286 machine.  There is no RS232 port on the fax 
machine.   I have one phone line at home.   Here is what I am trying 
to accomplish (i.e. use the fax machine as a scaner):
1. Connect the fax machine to the fax modem thru a regular modular
cord.
2. Send image from the fax machine to the fax modem over the telephone
cable. (since I have one phone line at home, I can not send the fax
image over the telephone system)
3. Edit and manipulate the image.


One other thing I would like to try (i.e. use the fax machine as
a printer to print image received by the fax modem):
1. Let the fax modem receive the incoming fax message.  Screen the
message by viewing the fax message with the bitcom software.
2. Send the fax image to the fax machine for printing.  (The reason
for this: the Epson 24 header printer is very slow to print out
a fax image, the fax machine can print at less than 30sec per page).

Has any one done some similar thing to this?  Thank you for any
pointer.


Joseph Chan
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minsky@parc.xerox.com (Henry Minsky) (06/27/91)

In article <1991Jun26.160352.6005@milton.u.washington.edu> joseph@milton.u.washington.edu (Joseph Chan) writes:
>From: joseph@milton.u.washington.edu (Joseph Chan)
>I have a standalone fax machine and a fax modem (send/receive at 9600
>baud) installed on my 286 machine.  There is no RS232 port on the fax 
>machine.   I have one phone line at home.   Here is what I am trying 
>to accomplish (i.e. use the fax machine as a scaner):
>1. Connect the fax machine to the fax modem thru a regular modular
>cord.
>2. Send image from the fax machine to the fax modem over the telephone
>cable. (since I have one phone line at home, I can not send the fax
>image over the telephone system)

I have a Murata fax machine, and an Abaton Interfax modem (with class
2 firmware). I found that I could send faxes from the Murata to my modem
without using two phone lines by the following setup:

The Murata has an RJ11 jack for the phone line from the wall, and an
RJ11 jack for its own telephone handset. I did the reverse of what
they said to do in the instructions: I plugged the telephone line cord
into the "phone" jack, and then wired the faxmodem and the handset to
the "line" jack, through a splitter. This enabled me to convince the
fax machine to start sending (it needs a dial tone to convince it to
begin the t30 handshake). When the faxmodem answers, the internal
circuits automatically cut out the "phone" jack, i.e., in my case the
phone line, and leave the fax machine talking to the modem.

Btw, there is a tar file of a copy of the draft Class 2 modem spec
which someone faxed in as a bunch of 1-d huffman g3 format files,
available from anonymous FTP from

tr.ai.mit.edu in /pub/class2man.tar

friedl@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US (Stephen J. Friedl) (06/28/91)

In article <1991Jun27.102954.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> Just yesterday I got a catalog from Teltone Corp. 22121-20th Ave SE,
> Bothell, Washington 98021, 1-800-426-3936, fax 206-487-2288.  It mentions
> (no price) a TLS-3 Phone LIne Simulator, such as might be used in a
> retail store to show off fax machines, without using outside lines.
> (I am sure it costs far beyond $10.)

     Along the same lines as the TLS-3 (a nice box in its own right,
but more oriented towards testing than as a demo switch) is the
Proctor & Associates Phone Demo II.  This little box was under
$300 last time we bought one (we have several), and it has two
lines with dialtone and the like.  You dial any seven digits on
a line and it rings the other line or gives back an appropriate
busy signal.

     We use ours for testing our fax software, and it is an absolute
necessity for trade shows and the like.   It's *wonderful*.  Proctor
also makes a four-line demonstrator with considerably more features
(useful for testing multiple modems at once).

	Proctor & Associates
	15050 N.E. 36th
	Redmond, WA  98052
	+1 206 881-7000

The standard "just a happy customer" disclaimer applies here.

     Steve

-- 
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V-Systems, the VSI*FAX people /  Santa Ana, CA  / +1 714 545-6442v 545-7653 fax

Two things for sure: death and faxes

sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) (06/29/91)

In article <610@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US> friedl@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US (Stephen J. Friedl) writes:
}In article <1991Jun27.102954.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
}
}     Along the same lines as the TLS-3 (a nice box in its own right,
}but more oriented towards testing than as a demo switch) is the
}Proctor & Associates Phone Demo II.  This little box was under
}$300 last time we bought one (we have several), and it has two
}lines with dialtone and the like.  You dial any seven digits on
}a line and it rings the other line or gives back an appropriate
}busy signal.
}
}     We use ours for testing our fax software, and it is an absolute
}necessity for trade shows and the like.   It's *wonderful*.  Proctor
}also makes a four-line demonstrator with considerably more features
}(useful for testing multiple modems at once).

We use Panasonic 308's which can often be bought used for $250. They give you a full
pbx or key switch. Eight internal lines and three external trunk lines. They work
very well for this type of thing. You can have three intercom connections plus two
external connections going all at once. 

For trade shows you just get one outside line, one handset and demo up to seven
devices.

-- 
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		...!van-bc!sl 604-937-7785 604-937-7718(fax) sl@wimsey.bc.ca