[comp.sys.novell] Report on Palindrome Archive System

karinc@intelisc.iSC.intel.com (Karin Coffee) (03/06/91)

I have completed my installation of the Palindrome software and an Exabyte
8200sx 2.2 Gb tape drive.  So far.....it's great!

I have been running with an ancient Mountain Tape streaming tape drive and
the Mountain Tape Software.  Last week I did a complete backup of
my data volume (SYS1).  It took 50 minutes to backup and 50 minutes to
verify, and I had to use 9 tapes to get the 245+ Mb of data.  To backup
and verify I had to swap all 9 tapes twice.

The installation of the Palindrome software was very easy.  The instruction
manual is very good and easy to read.  You can start with a default set of
rules to get going and change them if they don't archive your files as often
(or too often) for your taste.  Installing the Exabyte drive was easy.  The
only hitch we had was that we thought we had ordered an external drive, and
we received an internal drive.  Exabyte had the correct one to us within a week.

If you order this, I would definitely order the drive direct from Exabyte.
Palindrome uses the Exabyte drive, and tacks on an additional $2,000 for 
the pleasure of having their name added to the drive.

So, this afternoon, I ran an automatic archive of the entire file server
(both volumes SYS and SYS1).  It took 90 minutes, used 13% of one tape,
labelled the tape for me, and told me to leave that tape in the drive for
a modified backup tomorrow.  I am currently running with the default settings,
so I will only rotate tapes once per week.

Thus far, I have been very impressed with the Palindrome software.  It does
take approximately 1 mb of space on each volume that you protect with it,
but it also performs disk grooming, and will ask you if you want to migrate
files if they haven't been accessed (it uses the Netware access bit) for
x number of weeks.  The default is 12 weeks.

In order to get a clean backup it has to run when the network is quiet, and
the user that it runs under has to be supervisor equivalent.  However, they
do offer a switch that runs the archive in "quiet mode".  When in quiet
mode, the software ignores all input from the keyboard.  I plan on 
continuing to run my autorun files from Mountain Tape so I can kick off a
keyworks file at 2am to start the backup.

That's my critique of the installation and first running.  It appears to 
be clean and efficient.

If you have any questions, feel free to post or email.


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chapman@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gary Chapman) (03/07/91)

There are problems with TNA, which you have not yet encountered; I think 
initial impressions of such a complex product, used in very diverse
environments, are not very useful.  Any reasonably competent program may
look great upon first inspection...

As an experienced user of TNA, let me say there are a variety of significant
problems with this software.  They say version 2.0 will address many
problems and enhancements, but it seems to be in beta-test forever.  The
company is going to charge a significant upgrade fee to fix bugs and
poor design in their software.  Let me give one example.

Say you have a server with 6000 files, and you have backed it up with TNA.
You want to examine or set the rules governing the backup of file 'xxx.xxx'.
Since this is one of the last files in your 'catalog', in fact since it
is past the 5000 mark, there is no way for you to get to this file with
their pretty display of the server's directory tree.  The limit used to
be 2500, but after sufficient customer complaint, they had the bright idea
of upping the limit to 5000.  Like so many products designed for the netware
environment, no provision was made in the software design for large-scale 
environments.  Pretty ironic for a product designed to use 2.2 gigabyte
drives.

-- Gary Chapman, New York University

brian@cimage.com (Brian Kelley) (03/12/91)

In article <1177@intelisc.isc.intel.com> karinc@intelisc.iSC.intel.com (Karin Coffee) writes:
>I have completed my installation of the Palindrome software and an Exabyte
>8200sx 2.2 Gb tape drive.  So far.....it's great!

It is a pretty good package.  We're using it also.


>Thus far, I have been very impressed with the Palindrome software.  It does
>take approximately 1 mb of space on each volume that you protect with it,
>but it also performs disk grooming, and will ask you if you want to migrate
>files if they haven't been accessed (it uses the Netware access bit) for
>x number of weeks.  The default is 12 weeks.

While it is a very good piece of software, it is not without it's faults.

The software likes to put it's index files in a sub-directory off of the
root of the volume you're backing up (\TNA).  There is currently no way to
force TNA to store your indices elsewhere.  This causes all sorts of
problems:

	- If the volume you're backing up is full, TNA cannot create it's
	  index data in the \TNA directory.  This causes your backup to
	  abort.  You can't backup a full volume!

	- If you want to backup a Read-Only filesystem, TNA cannot create it's
	  index data.. again, no backup...

I'd like to put all of my indices in one basket (err, place).

While I feel this is a fairly serious limitation, I do like the software and
would recommend it.  The only other gripe is that (compared to our Suns
dumping to Exabytes over the network) it is really quite slow (~3-4 megabytes
per minute).



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