[net.followup] EDUCATION AS A RIGHT

honton (10/26/82)

  If education is not a "right" then perhaps this is what is wrong with
our society.  The only way cultural repressed and depressed people can
become part of the power structure and enjoy many of their basic rights
is by education.

  I'm not arguing that we can teach algebra to a horse, but that we have
an obligation to educate as far as possible anyone who wants to know
more.  Students should not supported in an extravagent life style but
they should still be given the economic chance to attend the school of
their choice.

   My own experience as an undergraduate is not cushy.  I pay one third
of my tuition, one/third is loans, and one/third is grants.  But I also
have to have food, shelter, and clothing.  I am an independent student
and my parents aren't receiving phone calls for money every week.

  I've scraped by without new clothes in three years, I've never owned
a calculator, I sell what few textbooks I buy.  I would never be able to
afford a personal computer, nor would I want to be forced to own one.

  Personal computers have little value outside of being video games.  They
do not teach programming, they do not teach hardware, nor are they
presently usefull as network stations.  I wonder why CMU is so hot on them.

					chas  (..decvax!cwruecmp!honton)

ps. For what is a history major going to use a pc?

emma (10/27/82)

''Basic'' education is a right, ''advanced'' education is not.  This is why
there is a *public* school system providing basic education.  The reason
Mr/Ms High School Grad is currently at a disadvantage in obtaining employment
is the mistaken notion over the past 20-30 years or so that a B.S. is
somehow a right.  The education afforded a typical liberal arts major is in
no way superior in affording real-live jobbable skills than is the education
provided in high school.

The (valid) argument for public colleges is not based on a right to education,
but on a need for trained people in excess of the numbers which can afford
a private college.

Finally, even if you wish to argue that a college education is a right, you
most assuredly can not argue that an education at a private college is one.
Were good old UW to require PC's of all incoming frosh, without providing
financial assistance, the outrage would probably be justified.  A private
college can require (almost) anything they wish of their students, regardless
of the effect on the cost of their education.  If they can't afford it, they
should be at a state school.
-Joe P.

ian (10/27/82)

There can't be such an animal as a `right to education' any more than
there is a `right to a color tv' or a `right to two cars'.
These things are produced by somebody's labor (although one might not
think so in looking at recalled automobiles, the occasional incompetent
professor, etc). You no more have a right to the products of another's
labor than he/she has a right to the products of yours. IF you choose
to donate your labor to someone, that's fine. But don't claim to have
a right to the products of others' labor. You don't.

Further discussion on this probably belongs in a poli-sci newsgroup or
in private mail. Thanks.

Ian Darwin, Toronto, Canada

wapd (10/28/82)

	Education is not a right so much as a DUTY.  I perceive it
as the way that the human race (or any animal) passes along
collective knowledge and experience.  Animals seem to rely on
imitation as an educational tool (offspring sees parent do
something and imitates it, thus "learning" it).  We rely more
on formal schooling and physical recording of information (books).

					Bill Dietrich
					houxj!wapd

Of course, education is fun, too.