bchin@umd5.umd.edu (Bill Chin) (04/17/91)
Anyone seen/have such a beast? I've heard lots of rumors about broken optimization and warning levels creating bad code. Specifically, will using -W3 or -Oas create bad code for DOS or Windows programming?? Thanks. -- Bill Chin internet:bchin@umd5.umd.edu PC/IP, Computer Science Center NeXTmail:bchin@is-next.umd.edu University of Maryland, CompuServe:74130,2714 College Park *Standard Disclaimers Apply*
bkahn@spud.webo.dg.com (Bruce Kahn) (04/17/91)
MicroSoft has such a beast and if you call their tech support line they will be glad to sell it to you (but not give it to you). Its very anoying to spend 10 minutes on the phone waiting and then explaining a problem only to have the person say "Oh yeah, thats a known bug." but then wont tell you much more. Call the tech support line and ask em for the list and see what the current cost is; Id be interested in it but I spend enough on MicroSoft products that I dont feel its nice for em to charge the ~$40-50 for the list (that was the cost last time we checked here)... -- Bruce <I-wont-give-my-middle-initial> Kahn Phone (508) 870-6488 NSDD / OpenLAN Internet bkahn@archive.webo.dg.com Data General Corporation, Westboro MA USA Standard disclaimers still apply, even where prohibited by law...
n8541751@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (Where there is darkness, light) (04/18/91)
bchin@umd5.umd.edu (Bill Chin) writes: >Anyone seen/have such a beast? I've heard lots of rumors >about broken optimization and warning levels creating >bad code. Specifically, will using -W3 or -Oas create >bad code for DOS or Windows programming?? >Thanks. I don't have a bug list, but we're switching back to version 5.1 at work because of bad problems with warning levels and slower compiles without a noticeable gain in execution speed. Kris. -- Kriston M. Bruland | . . . . . . . . . . n8541751@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu | . . . . . . . . . 8541751@nessie.cc.wwu.edu | . . . . . .
nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (nathan engle) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr18.070131.1892@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu> n8541751@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (Where there is darkness, light) writes: >bchin@umd5.umd.edu (Bill Chin) writes: > >>Anyone seen/have such a beast? I've heard lots of rumors >>about broken optimization and warning levels creating >>bad code. Specifically, will using -W3 or -Oas create >>bad code for DOS or Windows programming?? >>Thanks. > >I don't have a bug list, but we're switching back to version 5.1 at work >because of bad problems with warning levels and slower compiles without >a noticeable gain in execution speed. I was personally very disappointed with the state of first release of 6.00. It had lots of things that just didn't work, and several that did work but very slowly. For about 4 months I did a complete backtrack and started moving all my stuff over to Zortech (they send you their bug list for free). However, eventually 6.00a came out and most of my complaints were cleared up so I'm running with it right now. I have to agree that MSC5.1 is/was about twice as stable as C6.00; 6.00a seems to be more on an equal footing with 5.1 as far as reliability goes. 6.00a IS slower than 5.1 and the output code isn't that much better, but I'm sticking with 6.00a because of the inline assembler. Also, if I'm ever rash enough to take on any OS/2 projects 6.00a supports OS/2 better than 5.1 did. -- Nathan Engle Software Evangelist Indiana University Dept of Psychology nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
spoggle@cup.portal.com (David N Cornejo) (04/19/91)
Microsoft has a searchable data base of a variety of bug reports press releases, and various announcements available online on GEnie in the Microsoft Round Table. The cost to access this database is their regular $6/hr non-prime time rate. The last time I looked there were about 50 matches to 'C', 'fatal', and 'error' in the database. Dave Cornejo TPCC, Reston VA
darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) (04/19/91)
In article <1991Apr17.155411.204@webo.dg.com> Bruce Kahn writes: > MicroSoft has such a beast and if you call their tech support line they >will be glad to sell it to you (but not give it to you). Its very anoying > [...] >products that I dont feel its nice for em to charge the ~$40-50 for the list >(that was the cost last time we checked here)... WHAT!!!!! I'm no fan of Microsoft but I can't believe that even they would charge for a bug list. Can someone from Microsoft confirm this. I mean if this is true it is absolutely crazy. What's next? A subscription so that you can keep up as they introduce new bugs? -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | There's no government Toronto, Ontario, Canada | like no government! +1 416 424 2871 |
mrs@netcom.COM (Morgan Schweers) (04/20/91)
Greetings,
I too would like such a beast. MSC 6.0's supposed 'optimization'
badly broke my code recently. The strange thing is that when I used
/Ozax it failed, but when I used /Ozacegilt /Gs it worked. These
two are supposed to be the same, according to the online help.
Am I seeing things?
-- Morgan Schweersebergman@isis.cs.du.edu (Eric Bergman-Terrell) (04/20/91)
Maybe they charge so much because the bug list is on CD ROM? Terrell
keithro@microsoft.UUCP (Keith ROWE) (04/23/91)
In article <1991Apr17.155411.204@webo.dg.com> Bruce Kahn writes: > MicroSoft has such a beast and if you call their tech support line they >will be glad to sell it to you (but not give it to you). Its very anoying > [...] >products that I dont feel its nice for em to charge the ~$40-50 for the list >(that was the cost last time we checked here)... This is not true. The bug list for MS C 6.0 is available from two sources: 1) OnLine - the Microsoft electronic support line. 2) CompuServe - in the Microsoft Languages forum. Both of these sources keep a full collection of all bug reports filed by the Microsoft support staff. Look in the KnowledgeBase on either service for more details. While neither of these services is free, there is no additional charge to access the bug reports. I hope this helps, Keith Rowe Program Manager, C Languages - Microsoft uunet!microsoft!keithro
jgay@digi.lonestar.org (john gay) (04/24/91)
From article <71992@microsoft.UUCP>, by keithro@microsoft.UUCP (Keith ROWE): > This is not true. The bug list for MS C 6.0 is available from two sources: > > 1) OnLine - the Microsoft electronic support line. > > 2) CompuServe - in the Microsoft Languages forum. > > Both of these sources keep a full collection of all bug reports filed by > the Microsoft support staff. Look in the KnowledgeBase on either service > for more details. > > While neither of these services is free, there is no additional charge to > access the bug reports. > > I hope this helps, > > Keith Rowe > Program Manager, C Languages - Microsoft > uunet!microsoft!keithro Why doesn't Microsoft (or you) post the bug list here? I am sure that there would be much interest (or at least at one time would have been). Former Microsoft C user (I bailed out after 5.1)... john gay. this is for the stupid news poster...
nyet@nntp-server.caltech.edu (n liu) (04/24/91)
keithro@microsoft.UUCP (Keith ROWE) writes: >In article <1991Apr17.155411.204@webo.dg.com> Bruce Kahn writes: >> MicroSoft has such a beast and if you call their tech support line they >>will be glad to sell it to you (but not give it to you). Its very anoying >> [...] >>products that I dont feel its nice for em to charge the ~$40-50 for the list >>(that was the cost last time we checked here)... >This is not true. The bug list for MS C 6.0 is available from two sources: >1) OnLine - the Microsoft electronic support line. >2) CompuServe - in the Microsoft Languages forum. >Both of these sources keep a full collection of all bug reports filed by >the Microsoft support staff. Look in the KnowledgeBase on either service >for more details. >While neither of these services is free, there is no additional charge to >access the bug reports. >I hope this helps, Ok, fine. Now, let me guess. They're copyrighted such that i can give up any hope of seeing them posted here? Grand. If not, somebody surprise me. Yes, I am a "cheap" starving student uninterested in either compuserve or support line bbs's (only got 2400 baud) in Middleofnowhere USA. Oh, but Prodigy, now THATS a fine service isn't it? grr.
demillo@porter.geo.brown.edu (Rob DeMillo) (04/26/91)
In article <1991Apr18.133035.15827@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (nathan engle) writes: > > I have to agree that MSC5.1 is/was about twice as stable as C6.00; >6.00a seems to be more on an equal footing with 5.1 as far as >reliability goes. 6.00a IS slower than 5.1 and the output code isn't >that much better, but I'm sticking with 6.00a because of the inline >assembler. Also, if I'm ever rash enough to take on any OS/2 projects >6.00a supports OS/2 better than 5.1 did. > I have to agree with the opinions experessed here. My partner and I have stuck to MSC 5.1 for that very reason. Speaking of which, when is the next release of MSC coming out? - Rob DeMillo | Internet: demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu Mass Inst of Tech/Lincoln Lab | Also: demillo@porter.geo.brown.edu Weather Sensing Project-Group 43 | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
philbo@dhw68k.cts.com (Phil Lindsay) (04/30/91)
In article <71992@microsoft.UUCP> keithro@microsoft.UUCP (Keith ROWE) writes: >In article <1991Apr17.155411.204@webo.dg.com> Bruce Kahn writes: >> MicroSoft has such a beast and if you call their tech support line they >>will be glad to sell it to you (but not give it to you). Its very anoying >> [...] >>products that I dont feel its nice for em to charge the ~$40-50 for the list >Not true... We still PAY for it! Instead of *ALWAYS* trying to make money from us developers...Why don't you publish the bug list in this news group. All I do know is that 15000lines of source (which compiles clean with -W4) breaks on MSC6.00A, but works fine with MSC5.1. YES I have turned off optimizations. And NO, I don't want to waste MY time debugging YOUR code. WATCOM and Borland have no problems. If you publish the bug list I might even continue to use your product. -- Phil Lindsay - "Patents threaten future technology" Internet: philbo@dhw68k.cts.com Phone: Wrk7143852311 Hm7142891201 UUCP: {spsd,zardox,felix}!dhw68k!philbo USMAIL: 152A S. Cross Creek Rd, Orange, Ca. 92669