so@brownie.cs.wisc.edu (Bryan S. So) (05/01/91)
I am looking for high-level tools for Windows progamming. Can somebody recommend which products are useful/not useful... etc? I have currently heard of Toolbook (Asymmetrix), Actors (Whitewater), Plus (Spinnaker) and C++/Views (CNS). The requirements should be for fast prototyping, but must be powerful enough for general application programming. I don't mind learning a new OO language. I don't mind programming in C++ as long as there are enough class for fast prototyping. Thanks in advance. Bryan
davew@altos86.Altos.COM (Dave White) (05/04/91)
In article <1991May1.151526.29565@spool.cs.wisc.edu> so@brownie.cs.wisc.edu (Bryan S. So) writes: >I am looking for high-level tools for Windows progamming. Can >somebody recommend which products are useful/not useful... etc? You might want to consider Kappa-PC by IntelliCorp. Especially for some quick prototyping. It is all OO. They can be reached at 415-965-5700. Dave
Thomas_Hornschuh@p1.f36.n245.z2.fidonet.org (Thomas Hornschuh) (05/06/91)
BS> somebody recommend which products are useful/not useful... etc? BS> BS> I have currently heard of Toolbook (Asymmetrix), Actors (Whitewater), BS> Plus (Spinnaker) and C++/Views (CNS). BS> BS> The requirements should be for fast prototyping, but must be BS> powerful enough for general application programming. I don't BS> mind learning a new OO language. I don't mind programming in BS> C++ as long as there are enough class for fast prototyping. I think you has listed four quite different tools with different purposes. I have a litlle expierence with Actor and much expierence with C++/Views. Actor is very powerfull and encapsulates nearly all windows API-calls. Sometimes these encapsulation has a fairly low level, especially the Dialog-Handling functions. The main disadvantage of Actor is the slowness. C++/Views on the other hand is an partially successfull approach to combine a Compiler language with the incremental programming style of a pure OOP language like Smalltalk. The C++/Views browser let you write C++-Code in a quite comfortable manner and generates make- and other control-files. For debugging purposes you must use Tools like CodeView. In addition to C++/Views you must at least buy a C++-Compiler (I prefer Zortech, Borland is also supported). The smalltalk like Data-Classes (Container, Dictionary, Set, Collection, ...) supports rapid application Development, but C++ is more difficult to use than Smalltalk or Actor. The Windows-Inteface classes have some constraints and cover the windows-API only partially. Both, library and browser have some bugs. The advantage of Views is, that (together with a compiler) it generates fast and native code Windows executables and you can access all Windows-API functions that are not covered by the C++/Views layer directly.
Randy_Humes@f117.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Randy Humes) (05/09/91)
Also try Object1 from MDBS. Pure OOPS with tools and database I/f. Call 317-447-1122. They have a free demo disc.