leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) (04/30/91)
I recently acquired a Pioneer CLD-909 and was wondering if it could be used with AmigaVision. According to the AmigaVision manual, it cannot, but it does have an I/O port on the back for computer control. The I/O port is a round, 8 pin port, which I believe is quite different from most of the other laserdisc controller ports, but it seems that if Pioneer allowed for one type of computer control, they might not just change it completely for its later laserdisc models (the ones which are supported by AmigaVision). Lee
karl@cbmvax.commodore.com (Karl Herrman - CATS) (05/03/91)
In article <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) writes: > >I recently acquired a Pioneer CLD-909 and was wondering if it could be used >with AmigaVision. According to the AmigaVision manual, it cannot, but it >does have an I/O port on the back for computer control. The I/O port >is a round, 8 pin port, which I believe is quite different from most of the >other laserdisc controller ports, but it seems that if Pioneer allowed for one >type of computer control, they might not just change it completely for its >later laserdisc models (the ones which are supported by AmigaVision). > > Lee From cbmvax!bagate!dsinc!unix.cis.pitt.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!ndsuvm1!plains!jones Thu May 2 20:17:12 EDT 1991 Relay-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site cbmvax.commodore.com Path: cbmvax!bagate!dsinc!unix.cis.pitt.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!ndsuvm1!plains!jones >From: jones@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Jones ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia Subject: Re: AmigaVision & Pioneer ld-707 Message-ID: <10083@plains.NoDak.edu> Date: 1 May 91 01:32:58 GMT Date-Received: 1 May 91 08:21:05 GMT References: <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND Lines: 7 I am also wondering about using AmigaVision with a Pioneer LVD player, model ld-707 to be exact. This machine also uses the 8 pin din socket. Could anyone out there tell me if AmigaVision will work with this player? Thanks.. replys can be sent to jones@plains.nodak.edu From cbmvax!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!leekil Thu May 2 20:17:29 EDT 1991 Relay-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site cbmvax.commodore.com Path: cbmvax!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!leekil >From: leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia Subject: AmigaVision & Pioneer cld-909 Message-ID: <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> Date: 29 Apr 91 23:11:11 GMT Date-Received: 30 Apr 91 04:55:35 GMT Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 10 I recently acquired a Pioneer CLD-909 and was wondering if it could be used with AmigaVision. According to the AmigaVision manual, it cannot, but it does have an I/O port on the back for computer control. The I/O port is a round, 8 pin port, which I believe is quite different from most of the other laserdisc controller ports, but it seems that if Pioneer allowed for one type of computer control, they might not just change it completely for its later laserdisc models (the ones which are supported by AmigaVision). Lee
karl@cbmvax.commodore.com (Karl Herrman - CATS) (05/04/91)
In article <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) writes: >> >>I recently acquired a Pioneer CLD-909 and was wondering if it could be used >>with AmigaVision. According to the AmigaVision manual, it cannot, but it >>does have an I/O port on the back for computer control. The I/O port >>is a round, 8 pin port, which I believe is quite different from most of the >>other laserdisc controller ports, but it seems that if Pioneer allowed for one >>type of computer control, they might not just change it completely for its >>later laserdisc models (the ones which are supported by AmigaVision). >> >> Lee > And jones@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Jones ) writes: > >I am also wondering about using AmigaVision with a Pioneer LVD player, >model ld-707 to be exact. This machine also uses the 8 pin din socket. > >Could anyone out there tell me if AmigaVision will work with this player? > >Thanks.. >replys can be sent to jones@plains.nodak.edu > > I believe both of these machines are older Pioneer videodisc players. It is possible that the command set used for the current Pioneer players is based on the command used used for these. If this is the case what you can do is build a serial cable from the Amiga to the 8-pin port on your players and then try the various Pioneer drivers, the LDV2200 may be your best bet. You still may not be able to access all the functions available in AmigaVision, but if the basic functions work you can still work around most of the more advanced functions. The other potential problem would be that these players only support the CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) format videodisc. If they do not support the CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format you won't be able to access the disc on a frame-by-frame basis, which is needed for Still frames and exact access to the disc. I hope this helps. Karl Hermann C.A.T.S. Software Specialist
leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) (05/04/91)
In article <21241@cbmvax.commodore.com> karl@cbmvax.commodore.com (Karl Herrman - CATS) writes: >In article <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) writes: >>> >>>I recently acquired a Pioneer CLD-909 and was wondering if it could be used >>>with AmigaVision. According to the AmigaVision manual, it cannot, but it >> >And jones@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Jones ) writes: >> >>I am also wondering about using AmigaVision with a Pioneer LVD player, >>model ld-707 to be exact. This machine also uses the 8 pin din socket. >> >>Could anyone out there tell me if AmigaVision will work with this player? >> >I believe both of these machines are older Pioneer videodisc players. It is >possible that the command set used for the current Pioneer players is based on >the command used used for these. If this is the case what you can do is build >a serial cable from the Amiga to the 8-pin port on your players and then try the >various Pioneer drivers, the LDV2200 may be your best bet. You still may not be >able to access all the functions available in AmigaVision, but if the basic >functions work you can still work around most of the more advanced functions. Okay... does anybody have a pinout diagram for this 8-pin din plug? >The other potential problem would be that these players only support the CLV >(Constant Linear Velocity) format videodisc. If they do not support the CAV >(Constant Angular Velocity) format you won't be able to access the disc on a >frame-by-frame basis, which is needed for Still frames and exact access to the >disc. The 909 does support the CLV format. Did you not know about the 707 & 909, or did you mean that the LDV2200 doesn't support CLV? Lee
wright@etsuv2.etsu.edu (BRIAN WRIGHT) (05/04/91)
In article <21241@cbmvax.commodore.com>, karl@cbmvax.commodore.com (Karl Herrman - CATS) writes... >In article <1991Apr29.231111.15694@athena.mit.edu> leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) writes: [Questions about 8 pin connectors for LD-707 and CLD-909 deleted] >I believe both of these machines are older Pioneer videodisc players. It is >possible that the command set used for the current Pioneer players is based on >the command used used for these. If this is the case what you can do is build >a serial cable from the Amiga to the 8-pin port on your players and then try >the various Pioneer drivers, the LDV2200 may be your best bet. You still may >not be able to access all the functions available in AmigaVision, but if the >basic functions work you can still work around most of the more advanced >functions. > >The other potential problem would be that these players only support the CLV >(Constant Linear Velocity) format videodisc. If they do not support the CAV >(Constant Angular Velocity) format you won't be able to access the disc on a >frame-by-frame basis, which is needed for Still frames and exact access to the >disc. If the LD-707 is any cousin to the LD-700 then the 707 supports CAV AND CLV. I know the CLD-909 does. I used to have one. I now have a CLD-1030 stricken of the access port. As far as I know, Pioneer has never manufactured a CLV only player. As far as the 8 pin ports on these models go, ALL consumer models that I have ever seen from Pioneer, have these strange 8 pin ports (the ones that have a port that is). From all the catalogs I have seen, Pioneer offers some kind of interface device from the LD player to the computer. It is possible, however, that direct cabling might work. I just can't say. I'd imagine that the interface device is probably extinct. It'd be wise to not try to ask your favorite electronics store for it. Whether or not the 8 pin connector supports all the functions the player can is still a large mystery as I have never seen anyone interface one. As for all the players that AmigaVision supports, I believe that most of them are the industrial players. Although a few consumer models (other than Pioneer) could possibly have the serial port. I have yet to see a consumer Pioneer model to have a 25 pin serial connector port. FYI, I have had consumer players from the Pioneer LD-1100, to Magnavox's LD-700 clone, then on to the CLD-909 and finally the CLD 1030. None of these models (two of which had ports) had the 'standard' serial port connector. I always considered the 8 pin connector for the consumer models to be 'standard' and the 25 pin serial port to be 'nonstandard'. I guess that has changed now. I hope so, anyway. As far as Pioneer products, I steer clear and can't recommend them. Suffice it to say, personal reasons. If you have a choice of an LD player, go with Sony, Magnavox or Phillips. >I hope this helps. > >Karl Hermann >C.A.T.S. >Software Specialist -------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Wright wright%etsuvax2@ricevm1.rice.edu or wright@etsuvax2.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------- Standard Disclaimer... not my words and all that jazz.
wright@etsuv2.etsu.edu (BRIAN WRIGHT) (05/07/91)
In article <1991May4.031549.4702@athena.mit.edu>, leekil@athena.mit.edu (Lee 'S' Kilpatrick) writes... >Okay... does anybody have a pinout diagram for this 8-pin din plug? Yes, I am reading from the schematics. I have the tech manual because I usually order with the foresight knowing that it will break in 10 years and no one will have one to be able to fix it. The manual will help with that. Anyway, this is what the diagram has. Ext Ack----------- _______ \ \ / \ * \ / * * \ ___ | | Int/Ext-----------* *------+ | * | | Ext Cmd-----------* * | | | | | \ / | \ / | \__-|-__/ | | | | | +----------+ | --- ||| <- Ground Those are the only ones listed for the I/O port. The subcode out port also has information lines, but I don't know if they are used in conjunction with the I/O port or not (most likely not). I guess all the lines are not in use as one would expect. The other problem is in knowing what commands the player will understand. One solution, call Pioneer and ask them. I do believe they have customer support and tech support that could help you with this. > Lee -------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Wright wright%etsuvax2@ricevm1.rice.edu or wright@etsuvax2.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------- Standard Disclaimer... not my words and all that jazz.