[comp.windows.open-look] Reverse Video in OW?

peregrin@hulaw1.harvard.edu (06/06/91)

	I imagine this is an FAQ, but I've spent an hour in the man
pages/docs and can't find the answer.

	On a Monochrome SPARCstation, how does one set windows to
reverse-video?  I'm at least trying to get cmdtool to come up in
reverse video.  I would like to make all windows reversed video, if I
can.

	The -Wf and -Wb flags are ignored on a monochrome station.

	I'm running OpenWindows 2.0, on SunOS 4.1.1

-James
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battan@sequent.com (06/12/91)

In article <1991Jun5.133032.1@hulaw1.harvard.edu> peregrin writes:
>	On a Monochrome SPARCstation, how does one set windows to
>reverse-video?  I'm at least trying to get cmdtool to come up in
>reverse video.

I lived with non-reverse video until my eyes complained so much that
I came up with a solution.  The solution is to use xterm instead of
cmdtool or shelltool.  xterm can do scrolling just like cmdtool, and
xterm understands and propogates the cursor keys a lot better than
cmdtool did for my applications.  To get reverse video in your xterms,
just add
    XTerm*reverseVideo:     True
to your .Xdefaults file, and to get a black root background, add these
lines after the olwm statup in .xinitrc:
    sleep 3
    xsetroot -solid black
BTW: xterm is in $OPENWINHOME/demo/xterm.  I created a symlink from
$OPENWINHOME/bin/xterm to it.

Still, I too would like to see options for shelltool/cmdtool to do
reverse video.

"When there's a will, there's a way."
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dmaustin@vivid.sun.com (Darren Austin) (06/12/91)

In article <1991Jun11.180603.4197@sequent.com> battan@sequent.com writes:
>   In article <1991Jun5.133032.1@hulaw1.harvard.edu> peregrin writes:
>   >	On a Monochrome SPARCstation, how does one set windows to
>   >reverse-video?  I'm at least trying to get cmdtool to come up in
>   >reverse video.
>

[ stuff about using xterm instead ... ]

>   Still, I too would like to see options for shelltool/cmdtool to do
>   reverse video.

Ask, and ye shall receive.  This functionality has been added
to the next release of XView (and no, I can't tell you when that
is ;-)

Cheers,
--Darren

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afoiani@nmsu.edu (Anthony "Tkil" Foiani) (06/12/91)

Did you try:
  {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 
?

Just a thought,
Tony
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ajdh@stl.stc.co.uk (Andrew J D Hurley) (06/13/91)

In the referenced article afoiani@nmsu.edu (Anthony "Tkil" Foiani) writes:
>
>Did you try:
>  {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 

Or better, 
   {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 -Wg

This gives inverse text area as well as just the border.

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sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz) (06/13/91)

In article <1991Jun11.180603.4197@sequent.com> battan@sequent.com writes:
>In article <1991Jun5.133032.1@hulaw1.harvard.edu> peregrin writes:
>
>Still, I too would like to see options for shelltool/cmdtool to do
>reverse video.
>
>"When there's a will, there's a way."
>-- 
>Jim Battan - Sequent Computer Systems
>battan@sequent.com or uunet!sequent!battan
>+1 503 578 5129


Why not do a: shelltool -fg white -bg black

It works fine.

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kraus@rtsg.mot.com (David Kraus) (06/14/91)

In article <AFOIANI.91Jun11143130@hobbes.nmsu.edu>, afoiani@nmsu.edu (Anthony "Tkil" Foiani) writes:

> Did you try:
>   {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 
> ?

This works, but not exactly like invoking sunview with the -i option.  Your
mouse cursor is still black, making it hard to find on a black background.
This isn't such a bother with shelltools, but when you're trying to run an
application using buttons and scrollbars, it's a pain.

I'm suffering through this with a couple of tools developed internally.
They work just dandy if used under sunview -i, but if you specify the
foreground and background colors with -Wf and -Wb, not all the pull-down
menus, etc get inverted (even with the -Wg parameter).  Probably a poor
design of the tool to begin with, but I'll have to suffer with it until
our tools support group rewrites it to run under X.

Were it not for a couple of sunview specific tools such as these, I'd just
be running a 'standard' X server, rather than OpenWindows.  Unfortunately,
I need the sunview compatibility.

On a related topic, is there any way to remove the annoying wide white
border from around a sunview-based application when it puts a window or
icon on the screen under OpenWindows?
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bp@chorus.fr (Bruno Pillard) (06/14/91)

From various recent articles

> Did you try:
>  {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 
> This works...

% Or better, 
%   {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 -Wg
%
% This gives inverse text area as well as just the border.

- Why not do a: shelltool -fg white -bg black
-
- It works fine.

All these combinations still don't work... for me !!

I'm  using  the  OpenWindows "xnews" server  as delivered by  SUN with
SunOS 4.1 on a monochrome  screen (SPARCstation SLC)  and I can't  get
reverse video shelltools !

Are you using SunOS 4.1.1, another version of OpenWindows ?

gordonc@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Gordon Cameron (RA DAI)) (06/14/91)

From article <1991Jun13.163059.3966@ifi.unizh.ch>, by sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz):
> In article <1991Jun11.180603.4197@sequent.com> battan@sequent.com writes:
>>In article <1991Jun5.133032.1@hulaw1.harvard.edu> peregrin writes:
>>
>>Still, I too would like to see options for shelltool/cmdtool to do
>>reverse video.
>>
>>"When there's a will, there's a way."
>>-- 
>>Jim Battan - Sequent Computer Systems
>>battan@sequent.com or uunet!sequent!battan
>>+1 503 578 5129
> 
> 
> Why not do a: shelltool -fg white -bg black
> 
> It works fine.
> 
All this is very well if you have a colour screen. However, if you have a
mono screen, the problem remains if you try to use shell/command tools..

sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz) (06/14/91)

In article <11034@chorus.fr> bp@chorus.fr (Bruno Pillard) writes:
>
>From various recent articles
>
>> Did you try:
>>  {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 
>> This works...
>
>% Or better, 
>%   {cmd,shell}tool -Wf 255 255 255 -Wb 0 0 0 -Wg
>%
>% This gives inverse text area as well as just the border.
>
>- Why not do a: shelltool -fg white -bg black
>-
>- It works fine.
>
>All these combinations still don't work... for me !!
>
>I'm  using  the  OpenWindows "xnews" server  as delivered by  SUN with
>SunOS 4.1 on a monochrome  screen (SPARCstation SLC)  and I can't  get
>reverse video shelltools !
>
>Are you using SunOS 4.1.1, another version of OpenWindows ?

I'm using a color workstation. I also tested it on a monochrome one to
see: It doesn't work on monochrome Screens !!!

So you'r finally out of luck ;-(

Greetings

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doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr) (06/17/91)

Being a color monitor user, I am now somewhat successfully
using cmdtool -fg white -bg black, but have a question.  When
using this, the menus generated within the window (e.g., Term 
Pane with all the textedit options) show up as white text on 
a background of whatever color the Windows property is set to.
However, the Window title and the menu generated by clicking
on the window border (Window: Close...Quit) show up as black
text on a background of whatever color the Windows property 
is set to.  How can I get the window title and the toplevel
Window menu to inverse its video and use white text?

I am on a SPARCstation 2, SunOS 4.1.1, OpenWindows 2.0.

--Brett.

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