lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) (06/24/91)
I am wondering if this is something peculiar to olwm, or if this is an xterm 'feature'. I use the left mouse key to select some text. I move the most pointer to another window and click left on the window decorations to get it to move to the top. I move the mouse into the window so that I can insert the selected text into that window. Clicking the middle key does not insert any text - the buffer is empty. Is this xterm or the window manager or a user configuration problem? Thanks! -- Larry W. Virden UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lwv27 Same Mbox: BITNET: lwv27@cas INET: lwv27%cas.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.Edu Personal: 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg,OH 43068-1614 America Online: lvirden
jc@raven.bu.edu (James Cameron) (06/24/91)
>>>>> On 24 Jun 91 14:55:24 GMT, lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) said: |> I am wondering if this is something peculiar to olwm, or if this is an |> xterm 'feature'. |> I use the left mouse key to select some text. |> I move the most pointer to another window and click left on the window |> decorations to get it to move to the top. |> I move the mouse into the window so that I can insert the selected text |> into that window. |> Clicking the middle key does not insert any text - the buffer is empty. |> Is this xterm or the window manager or a user configuration problem? |> Thanks! |> -- |> Larry W. Virden UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lwv27 Larry, Think of exactly what you did: 1. You grabbed the selection by using first-click-hold-drag 2. You then did a first-click 3. Finally you did a middle-click Now, step 2 cleared the old buffer and since you selected nothing, nothing was put into the buffer. This has nothing do with the window manager....it is simply logical. Now, if you want to do something like that, either have xclipboard handy, or have the window already showing. Hope this helps. jc -- -- James Cameron (jc@raven.bu.edu) Signal Processing and Interpretation Lab. Boston, Mass (617) 353-2879 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But to risk we must, for the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing. For the man or woman who risks nothing, has nothing, does nothing, is nothing." (Quote from the eulogy for the late Christa McAuliffe.)
nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (06/25/91)
In article <JC.91Jun24112441@raven.bu.edu> jc@raven.bu.edu (James Cameron) writes: >|> I move the most pointer to another window and click left on the window >|> decorations to get it to move to the top. >Think of exactly what you did: > > 1. You grabbed the selection by using first-click-hold-drag > 2. You then did a first-click > 3. Finally you did a middle-click > >Now, step 2 cleared the old buffer and since you selected nothing, >nothing was put into the buffer. This has nothing do with the >window manager....it is simply logical. Now, if you want to do It has a lot to do with the window manager. I'm unaware of any other window manager other than olwm that considers a M1 click on the window decorations to be a reason to clear the clipboard. Given that the window you are moving to is highly unlike to be visible I find this to be an incredible annoyance (and one of the reasons I don't use olwm anymore). -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.
mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie) (06/25/91)
In <JC.91Jun24112441@raven.bu.edu> jc@raven.bu.edu (James Cameron) writes: >Think of exactly what you did: > 1. You grabbed the selection by using first-click-hold-drag > 2. You then did a first-click > 3. Finally you did a middle-click >Now, step 2 cleared the old buffer and since you selected nothing, >nothing was put into the buffer. This has nothing do with the >window manager....it is simply logical. Now, if you want to do >something like that, either have xclipboard handy, or have the >window already showing. ... or you can raise the window to the front using L5, which won't clear the selction. Mark. -- Mark Dobie M.Dobie@uk.ac.soton.ecs (JANET) University of Southampton M.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Bitnet)
Stuart.Marks@Eng.Sun.COM (Stuart Marks) (06/27/91)
It has a lot to do with the window manager. I'm unaware of any other
window manager other than olwm that considers a M1 click on the
window decorations to be a reason to clear the clipboard.
Clarification on two counts: olwm doesn't clear the clipboard. It
acquires ownership of the primary selection (not the clipboard). Further,
the selection isn't cleared; there really is a selection, and its contents
are windows. Unfortunately, there are bugs in the OpenWindows V2 olwm
that prevent it from responding to interesting selection request targets.
This will be fixed.
Given
that the window you are moving to is highly unlike to be visible I
find this to be an incredible annoyance (and one of the reasons I
don't use olwm anymore).
Right ... none of this says that olwm's selection behavior isn't annoying.
Personally, I use olwm, but I use the L5 (Front) key almost exclusively to
do my window restacking.
s'marks
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Sun Microsystems, Inc.mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie) (06/27/91)
In <1991Jun25.031601.12328@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes: >It has a lot to do with the window manager. I'm unaware of any other >window manager other than olwm that considers a M1 click on the >window decorations to be a reason to clear the clipboard. Given >that the window you are moving to is highly unlike to be visible I >find this to be an incredible annoyance (and one of the reasons I >don't use olwm anymore). Well I think it does it because you can select whole windows. If you have several selected (using the middle button to extend the selection) you can move them all around together... not particularly useful. Anyway, what's wrong with pasting into a window that is only partially visible? Usually you have set the destination window up already (editor in the right place, or whatever) to its either at the front or it doesn't matter. Alternatively, there is L5, which is dead useful and something I missed in other window managerws. I think that the other benefits of ol[v]wm (pin up menus, drag and drop) far outweigh any inconvenience caused by this "feature". Mark. -- Mark Dobie M.Dobie@uk.ac.soton.ecs (JANET) University of Southampton M.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Bitnet)
nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (06/28/91)
In article <8313@ecs.soton.ac.uk> mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie) writes: >Well I think it does it because you can select whole windows. If you I gather this is the case. I'd recommend that they use some other mechanism, since I don't think most applications are going to care much whether a window is selected. >Anyway, what's wrong with pasting into a window that is only partially >visible? Usually you have set the destination window up already Pasting *where*? That only works if you're only working with xterms. >(editor in the right place, or whatever) to its either at the front or >it doesn't matter. This is hardly ever true. I usually had to pop the window from which I am pasting to the top. Now it covers whatever I was doing before. Since OLWM doesn't give me a nice way of doing automatic window layout (or any other window manager for that matter, what I'd give for my Apollo/DM keydefs under X) I'm almost certain to need to pop it. >Alternatively, there is L5, which is dead useful and something I >missed in other window managerws. I'm not running olwm now. I gather Front moves the window you are pointing at to the top? Kind of like Apollo's Pop key ( current window to top if obscured, otherwise to bottom). >I think that the other benefits of ol[v]wm (pin up menus, drag and >drop) far outweigh any inconvenience caused by this "feature". Drag and drop has nothing to do with olwm. It still continues to work (so to speak) under other window managers. For what it's worth I can't stand the OL implementation. The same mouse button cannot properly do both select and drag. I always end up either reselecting when I wanted to drag, or dragging when I wanted to reselect. Pinups would be nice, although I prefer Mac-style tearoffs. -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.