avr@cbnewsj.att.com (adam.v.reed) (10/06/90)
I'm rather surprised to find that everybody else's (at least on this newsgroup) notions of "emergence" are so different from my own. For years, I've been using the "emergence" of the ability to store information over time (engineers say "memory", but some biologists and psychologists find such usage unbearably anthropomorphic) when two NOR gates are combined into a flip-flop (separately, NOR gates do not have memory, a flip-flop does) to help my students grasp the concept of "emergence". Now I find the denizens of this newsgroup are talking of "emergence" as something applicable only to very complex systems, or to properties not predicted, or not understood, or not capable of extrinsic definition. What's going on? My own notion of an emergent property of a system would include any property which is "qualitatively different" from any property of its component parts. I think that the notion "qualitatively different" here means "defined by criterial operations which cannot be derived from the criterial operations defining the properties of the component parts by simply changing the value(s) of one or more parameters". Thus, when two one-gram masses are combined into a two-gram mass, the latter's property of weighing two grams is NOT an emergent property, since it differs from each component's property of weighing one gram only in the value of a parameter. Memory, on the other hand, does NOT <correspond except for parameter values> to any property of separate NOR gates. Hence, it fits my idea of an "emergent property". Emergence, in this sense, is a very useful notion for separating interesting and uninteresting properties that systems get by virtue of the organization and interaction of their parts. Why do some people have a need to make it into something esoteric and mysterious? Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com
sarima@tdatirv.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (10/09/90)
In article <1990Oct5.210737.4836@cbnewsj.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes: > >I'm rather surprised to find that everybody else's (at least on >this newsgroup) notions of "emergence" are so different from my >own. For years, I've been using the "emergence" of the ability >to store information over time > when two NOR gates are combined into a flip-flop >(separately, NOR gates do not have memory, a flip-flop does) >to help my students grasp the concept of "emergence". This seems like a perfectly valid, and extremely simple, example of emergence to me. It may even be the best example yet for explaining what the word means. > What's going on? I think some people are confused by the fact that we often *assume* emergence when we do not have an explanation for some system property. Thus it might appear that emergence applies to *inexplicable* properties only. But, as I see it, the assumption of emergence in this case is philosophical [i.e. there is an explanation for everything, so we assume an explanation and take the most obvious one as the first guess] [At least that is how I approach it, this is probably a better assumption to make than to assume acausality or supernatural causality]. >Emergence, in this sense, is a very useful notion for separating >interesting and uninteresting properties that systems get by >virtue of the organization and interaction of their parts. Exactly. The emergent properties of a system are the ones that must be studied in the context of the system, bercause they do not exist at the lower levels. Thus the appropriate domain of biology is the emergent properties of living things, since the other properties are the domain of chemistry and physics. The appropriate domain of AI research and cognitive science are the emergent properties of cognitive processors, such as brains and AI software. -- --------------- uunet!tdatirv!sarima (Stanley Friesen)