loren@tristan.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) (11/06/90)
In article <1251@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@uk.ac.ucl.cs (Gordon Joly) writes: > >I still stick to my original thesis. Penrose has much to say about the >mind, including the fact that you cannot make a mind in a box. >Therefore, he can say little about AI, since he believe the goals to be >impossible (if consciosness/mind/awareness if the true goal of AI. I guess this discussion belongs in comp.ai.philosophy. What "fact" is this? And why does he come to this conclusion? And what makes him so sure that other people have minds? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov Since this nodename is not widely known, you may have to try: loren%sunlight.llnl.gov@star.stanford.edu
G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) (11/08/90)
In article <85493@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> loren@tristan.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) < In article <1251@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@uk.ac.ucl.cs (Gordon Joly) writes: < > < >I still stick to my original thesis. Penrose has much to say about the < >mind, including the fact that you cannot make a mind in a box. < >Therefore, he can say little about AI, since he believe the goals to be < >impossible (if consciosness/mind/awareness if the true goal of AI. < < I guess this discussion belongs in comp.ai.philosophy. Sure; I misposted in to comp.ai. Apologies. < What "fact" is this? Penrose and I agree; if we produce one more mind, that makes it a fact. < And why does he come to this conclusion? Read the book? (cf RTM), He goes through a lot of Turing's work, Penrose tiles, General Relatvity , Quantum Mechanics and attempts to reconcile the latter two. However, a scientist whom I trust tells me that the thrust of Penrose's book is that the quantum effects of the brain give us the mind. < And what makes him so sure that other people have minds? Well, I could take a cheap shot here Loren, but I am sure that you can work it of for yourself. In you have half a mind to. < $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ < Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov < Since Penrose does not believe in strong AI, he has nothing further to say on the matter. Similarly, I am not going to discuss the type of green cheese found in the Moon. Gordon Joly +44 71 387 7050 ext 3716 InterNet: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk UUCP: ...!{uunet.uu.net,ukc}!ucl-cs!G.Joly Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT, UK