anlhille@rose.ucs.indiana.edu (Joseph Hillenburg) (12/27/90)
If the DES enryption algorythm is PD, please send me a copy, and if it's not too much trouble, these people, too: tagreen@lothario.ucs.indiana.edu gandalf%valnet@news.cs.indiana.edu ken%cguild%valnet@news.cs.indiana.edu Thanks bunches... ============================================================================= | -jph IMHO: The "H" means "honest!" | | INET: anlhille@ucs.indiana.edu UUCP: iuvax!prism.decnet!anlhille | | BITNET: anlhille@iurose.bitnet DECNET: PRISM::ANLHILLE | =============================================================================
johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) (12/27/90)
In article <1990Dec27.004813.25021@news.cs.indiana.edu> you write: >If the DES enryption algorythm is PD, please send me a copy The DES algorithm is most definitely PD. It was published in the Federal Register, Vol 40 No 149, August 1 1975, pages 32395-32414. If you're not familiar with the Federal Register, it's an enormous and generally incredibly boring journal put out by the government in which is published all of the government's public notices. It is not copyrighted; I have a xerox of the DES on my desk. Run down to the library and make your own copy. It is also available as FIPS 46, published by NIST, and ANSI X3.92-1981. FIPS are distributed by NTIS. ANSI distributes their own stuff, you can call them in New York to get their price. Neither is free. I'm not aware of any on-line version of DES. It'd be a pain to type in, as it contains lots of subscripts, tables of numbers, and line drawings. Perhaps some generous soul can come up with a pic+troff or postscript version. DES specifies an algorithm that takes a 64 bit plain text and a 56 bit key to produce a 64 bit encrypted text, and vice-versa. A related document is FIPS 81 or ANSI X3.106-1983 which defines ways to use DES to encrypt longer messages. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II) (12/27/90)
In article <9012262049.AA28348@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: >In article <1990Dec27.004813.25021@news.cs.indiana.edu> you write: >>If the DES enryption algorythm is PD, please send me a copy ... >I'm not aware of any on-line version of DES. It'd be a pain to type in, as it >contains lots of subscripts, tables of numbers, and line drawings. Perhaps >some generous soul can come up with a pic+troff or postscript version. Someone in Australia posted a version of DES to the net some time back. There was also a version from Phil Karn (KA9Q fame). Unfortunately I don't think anyone in the US can safely post that code because of export restrictions (which so far as I know still apply to library routines which aren't strictly for user authentication purposes ...) -- John F. Haugh II UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 832-8832 Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org "While you are here, your wives and girlfriends are dating handsome American movie and TV stars. Stars like Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, and Bart Simpson."
piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) (12/28/90)
There is a public domain, non-USA implementation of the DES algorithm from
someone in Finland. We have it in our archive:
How to get des.tar.Z from the archive at
Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University:
NOTE: In the following I have assumed your mail address is john@highbrow.edu.
Of course you must substitute your own address for this. This should be
a valid internet or uucp address. For bitnet users name@host.BITNET
usually works.
by FTP: (please restrict access to weekends or evening/night (i.e. between
about 20.00 and 0900 UTC).
ftp archive.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5]
user name: anonymous or ftp
password: your own email address (e.g. john@highbrow.edu)
cd /pub
don't forget to set binary mode if the file is a tar/arc/zoo archive,
compressed or in any other way contains binary data.
get UNIX/des.tar.Z
by mail-server:
send the following message to
mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (or uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!mail-server):
begin
path john@highbrow.edu (PLEASE SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS)
send UNIX/des.tar.Z
end
The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your
message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you
first issue the request:
send HELP
--
Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University,
Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Telephone: +31 30 531806 Uucp: uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet
Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl (*`Pete')mpledger@cti1.UUCP (Mark Pledger) (12/28/90)
Folks your in luck. Check out the November 1990 issue of Dr. Dobb's. Al Stevens discusses the DES alogrithm and provides his own version of it. It is available from Comp-U-Serv if you don't want to type the source in your self. Please note that I haven't tried it yet. If someone does try it and it works could they please inform me. Thanks. -- Sincerely, Mark Pledger -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CTI | (703) 685-5434 [voice] 2121 Crystal Drive | (703) 685-7022 [fax] Suite 103 | Arlington, VA 22202 | mpledger@cti.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------
anlhille@rose.ucs.indiana.edu (Joseph Hillenburg) (12/29/90)
In article <353@cti1.UUCP>, mpledger@cti1.UUCP (Mark Pledger) writes... |Folks your in luck. Check out the November 1990 issue of Dr. Dobb's. Al |Stevens discusses the DES alogrithm and provides his own version of it. It |is available from Comp-U-Serv if you don't want to type the source in |your self. Please note that I haven't tried it yet. If someone does try |it and it works could they please inform me. Thanks. | Someone sent me a U.S. implementation of DES. I can't post it, but if anyone from within the U.S. wants a copy, mail me. | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |CTI | (703) 685-5434 [voice] |2121 Crystal Drive | (703) 685-7022 [fax] |Suite 103 | |Arlington, VA 22202 | mpledger@cti.com |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | // Joseph Hillenburg, Secretary, Bloomington Amiga Users Group | | \X/ anlhille@ucs.indiana.edu anlhille@iurose.BITNET | | "Have fun folks. It's the last time you'll be seeing this place" | +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) (12/29/90)
> In article <353@cti1.UUCP>, mpledger@cti1.UUCP (Mark Pledger) writes... > | Check out the November 1990 issue of Dr. Dobb's. Al > |Stevens discusses the DES alogrithm and provides his own version of it. It > |is available from Comp-U-Serv if you don't want to type the source in > |your self. Silly (and perhaps a bit off the subject) question time: I) Does this mean that Dr. Dobb's is now an "export restricted" item, and thus can not be mailed to any non-US subscribers? II) Does this now mean that Comp-U-Serv must restrict non-US subscriber access? [Well, I _did_ say this was silly. :-) ] -- John G Dobnick (JGD2) Computing Services Division @ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee INTERNET: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ATTnet: (414) 229-5727 UUCP: uunet!uwm!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!jgd "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire
bs@marvin.e17.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Bernhard Schneck) (12/31/90)
piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) writes: >There is a public domain, non-USA implementation of the DES algorithm from >someone in Finland. We have it in our archive: >How to get des.tar.Z from the archive at > Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University: >[...] Piet goes on and describes how to get that DES package via EMAIL or FTP. Due to some very intelligent decisions our IP routing to *.nl is via the US, so I am interested in the legal aspects of FTPing DES from Utrecht. As I understand the current situation I could FTP it if IP routing were via InterEUNet, but it would violate US export regulations if I use our default routing. Is this (can this be) correct ???? >Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, \Bernhard. Bernhard Schneck Internet: B.Schneck@Marvin.E17.Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE TU Muenchen Physik E17 Postmaster@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE 8046 Garching BitNET : schneck@dgablg5p West Germany
mpledger@cti1.UUCP (Mark Pledger) (01/01/91)
jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) writes: >Silly (and perhaps a bit off the subject) question time: > I) Does this mean that Dr. Dobb's is now an "export restricted" item, > and thus can not be mailed to any non-US subscribers? > II) Does this now mean that Comp-U-Serv must restrict non-US subscriber > access? Unfortunately it's a sticky, but relevant issue. Any other comments ? -- Sincerely, Mark Pledger -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CTI | (703) 685-5434 [voice] 2121 Crystal Drive | (703) 685-7022 [fax] Suite 103 | Arlington, VA 22202 | mpledger@cti.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------
mjoyce@smiley.mitre.org (01/02/91)
The reason for export controls on software implementations of DES have
always mystified me. Here are two observations that fuel my confusion.
FIPS PUB 46 states: "Software implementations in general purpose
computers are not in compliance with this standard." (reference FIPS PUB 46,
15 January 1977, "Data Encryption Standard," page 2, paragraph "Hardware
Implementation") How could export controls apply to something that does
not comply with the standard?
Assuming that software implementations of DES are subject to export
controls, why would the National Institute of Standards and Technology
publish a software implementation of the DES? Appendix D of FIPS PUB 112
contains a FORTRAN program for passphrase transformation and password
encryption. A software implementation of DES is provided in the FORTRAN
program (reference FIPS PUB 112, 30 May 1985, "Password Usage," Appendix D).
FIPS PUB 112 is available from the National Technical Information Service,
U.S. Department of Commerce, Springfield, VA 22161. The price of FIPS PUB
112 was $15.95 in 1989. Major credit cards accepted.
mikednichols@uunet.uu.net (DoN Nichols) (01/03/91)
"mjoyce@smiley.mitre.org says:" > > > The reason for export controls on software implementations of DES have > always mystified me. Here are two observations that fuel my confusion. > [...] > encryption. A software implementation of DES is provided in the FORTRAN > program (reference FIPS PUB 112, 30 May 1985, "Password Usage," Appendix D). > FIPS PUB 112 is available from the National Technical Information Service, > U.S. Department of Commerce, Springfield, VA 22161. The price of FIPS PUB > 112 was $15.95 in 1989. Major credit cards accepted. Don't expect quick turnaround if you order from them now. They had a fire recently, and PCB's were in the transformers. They are currently debating whether or not it is safe for the employees to re-enter the building. It may be a while. :-) -- Donald Nichols (DoN.) | Voice (Days): (703) 664-1585 D&D Data | Voice (Eves): (703) 938-4564 Disclaimer: from here - None | Email: <dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com> --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---