jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) (01/25/91)
There has been some talk recently of DOS/Unix networking products, and someone mentioned LM/X. We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model 800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix 386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product available for either of these systems, and who supplies it? Thanks for any info. --jim ------------- James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651
paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) (01/28/91)
In article <783@tiamat.fsc.com> jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: > There has been some talk recently of DOS/Unix networking products, and > someone mentioned LM/X. We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model > 800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix > 386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product > available for either of these systems, and who supplies it? Would you believe --- Hewlett Packard!!!! Strange but true. Nice products, pity about their marketing. Your SR must have really screwed up in not trying to sell it to you for 386 platforms too. -- Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz
martino@logitek.co.uk (Martin O'Nions) (01/28/91)
jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: >There has been some talk recently of DOS/Unix networking products, and >someone mentioned LM/X. We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model >800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix >386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product available >for either of these systems, and who supplies it? >Thanks for any info. >--jim >------------- >James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com >Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651 SCO are 'in discussion' over a native version, but one of my previous postings to this effect elicited a response that HP are already shipping an LM/X server for SCO (no, I don't know why). Check with your HP rep., and either mail me, or post back to the group if its a wicked rumour. Thanks Martin -- DISCLAIMER: All My Own Work (Unless stated otherwise) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin O'Nions Logitek Group Support martino@logitek.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Down the drinking well / Which the plumber built her Aunt Mathilda fell / - We should buy a filter.... (Harry Graham - Ruthless Rhymes for Heartless Homes)
jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan27.220253.24498@actrix.gen.nz>, paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes: > > 386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product > > available for either of these systems, and who supplies it? > > Would you believe --- Hewlett Packard!!!! Strange but true. Nice > products, pity about their marketing. Your SR must have really > screwed up in not trying to sell it to you for 386 platforms too. In defense of our SR, she probably didn't know I was thinking about LM/X for 386 Unix. However, someone at HP is probably at fault for why I didn't ask her ealier, i.e. there was no mention of LM/X for 386 Unix in any of the HP literature (price lists, product lists, magazines, etc) I've seen in the past 6 months. Therefore, I just assumed they didn't have it. Oh well, I guess this just goes to show - you'll never know if you don't ask. Thanks for the info. --jim P.S. I've received several requests for opinions on LM/X on the HP 9000. We will be using it more extensively over the next few weeks, so at that time, I'll post an article with any opinions/information that I have. ------------- James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651
dionj@netcom.UUCP (Dion Johnson) (01/30/91)
From article <785@tiamat.fsc.com-, by jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor):
- In article <1991Jan27.220253.24498@actrix.gen.nz>, paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
-> > 386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product
-> > available for either of these systems, and who supplies it?
->
-> Would you believe --- Hewlett Packard!!!! Strange but true. Nice
-> products, pity about their marketing. Your SR must have really
-> screwed up in not trying to sell it to you for 386 platforms too.
-
- In defense of our SR, she probably didn't know I was thinking about LM/X
- for 386 Unix. However, someone at HP is probably at fault for why I didn't
- ask her ealier, i.e. there was no mention of LM/X for 386 Unix in any of
- the HP literature (price lists, product lists, magazines, etc) I've seen in the
- past 6 months. Therefore, I just assumed they didn't have it.
-
- Oh well, I guess this just goes to show - you'll never know if you don't ask.
-
- Thanks for the info.
-
- --jim
-
- P.S. I've received several requests for opinions on LM/X on the HP 9000. We
- will be using it more extensively over the next few weeks, so at that time,
- I'll post an article with any opinions/information that I have.
- -------------
- James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com
- Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651
Lan Manager for SCO UNIX was announced at Uniforum last week.
Some info was posted to sco-list and sco.opendesktop newsgroup. If you
want details, contact your friendly SCO reseller, or email to info@sco.com
--
Dion L. Johnson -- the material above is my personal opinion, and has no
official sanction or relevance to any corporate position or policies of
The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) (01/30/91)
In article <785@tiamat.fsc.com> jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: > In defense of our SR, she probably didn't know I was thinking about LM/X > for 386 Unix. However, someone at HP is probably at fault for why I didn't > ask her ealier, i.e. there was no mention of LM/X for 386 Unix in any of > the HP literature (price lists, product lists, magazines, etc) I've seen in > the past 6 months. Therefore, I just assumed they didn't have it. Actually, I believe HP developed it! Yes, HP and Microsoft were co-developers of LM/X, and HP OEM'ed LM for MS-DOS and OS/2 from 3COM. Pity HP isn't very good at blowing its own trumpet. I think i've found the reason why HP may not have mentioned it. It seems that both HP and 3COM are getting out of selling LM DOS clients -- because of Microsoft's better distribution channels, and the huge investment they are making, I think both HP and 3COM (and maybe IBM soon) will be telling people to buy direct from MS, just like with Windows. MS will no doubt have to roll in the HP TCP/IP demand-loadable protocol stack into the standard release, which seems like a pretty good idea. As for LM/X for 386 platforms, I believe that SCO will be bundling this with future releases, letting HP concentrate on LM/X for its HP-UX and MPE/XL platforms. The other factor is that LM/X is now officially in OSF/1 (Operating System of the Future? :-), which makes a lot of sense. > Oh well, I guess this just goes to show - you'll never know if you don't ask. True. You might try asking a bit harder next time! Why, they even do site wiring, PC LAN cards, 10-Base-T test equipment, SNMP LANalysers, and all sorts of nice goodies! > Thanks for the info. Welcome. > P.S. I've received several requests for opinions on LM/X on the HP 9000. We > will be using it more extensively over the next few weeks, so at that time, > I'll post an article with any opinions/information that I have. I've been using LM/X quite a bit. I like the HP_UX end, but the PC end sucks, due to memory limitations. I believe this will be fixed in the LOOOONG awaited next release (LM 1.1?) -- Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz
darrells@cpqhou.uucp (Darrell Starnes) (01/30/91)
in article <martino.665054129@krypton>, martino@logitek.co.uk (Martin O'Nions) says: > > jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: > >>There has been some talk recently of DOS/Unix networking products, and >>someone mentioned LM/X. We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model >>800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix >>386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product available >>for either of these systems, and who supplies it? > >>Thanks for any info. > >>--jim >>------------- >>James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com >>Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651 > SCO announced Lan Manager for UNIX at UNIFORUM in Dallas last week. We actually showed it in our booth running on a dual processor 386/33 SYSTEMPRO. It is supported on the SVR3.2 UNIX. It is due to ship in March. If you have any questions, contact SCO. Darrell Starnes Systems Engineer Compaq Computer Corporation Houston, TX
eli@robechq.UUCP (Eli Levine) (01/31/91)
In article <783@tiamat.fsc.com> jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: >... We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model >800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix >386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product available >for either of these systems, and who supplies it? SCO, shortly. They've announced their intention of providing an LM/X product, with DOS client software, in a few months. As with all such announcements of future plans, there's no firm date, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something by June, perhaps earlier. Eli Levine @Robec Distributors
brian@edat.UUCP (brian douglass personal account) (01/31/91)
In article <martino.665054129@krypton| martino@logitek.co.uk (Martin O'Nions) writes: |jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) writes: | ||There has been some talk recently of DOS/Unix networking products, and ||someone mentioned LM/X. We have HP's LM/X running on an HP 9000 model ||800 machine, but I'd love to be able to use an SCO Unix 386 or SCO Xenix ||386 machine as an LM/X server, also. Is there an LM/X server product available ||for either of these systems, and who supplies it? | ||Thanks for any info. | ||--jim ||------------- ||James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com ||Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651 | |SCO are 'in discussion' over a native version, but one of my previous postings |to this effect elicited a response that HP are already shipping an LM/X server |for SCO (no, I don't know why). | |Check with your HP rep., and either mail me, or post back to the group if its |a wicked rumour. | |Thanks | |Martin This is kind of strange, because last week at UniForum, SCO said they weren't going to be releasing LM/X until March. I have in front of me a product overview and technical background paper for LM/X that is dated Dec 1990, but also says it is preliminary information. If LM/X is coming from SCO it looks like you will have to wait another month. If LM/X is coming from HP and just being resold by SCO, then maybe it is available. Could someone from SCO and/or HP comment? Brian Douglass Voice: 702-361-1510 X311 Electronic Data Technologies FAX #: 702-361-2545 1085 Palms Airport Drive brian@edat.uucp Las Vegas, NV 89119-3715 -- Brian Douglass brian@edat.uucp
jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) (02/01/91)
In article <1991Jan30.083638.7233@actrix.gen.nz>, paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes: > > As for LM/X for 386 platforms, I believe that SCO will be bundling > this with future releases, letting HP concentrate on LM/X for its > HP-UX and MPE/XL platforms. The SCO LM/X has been announced, but somehow I doubt SCO will "bundle" it with anything, except maybe the ODT Server upgrade, which may begin to justify the price being charged for it. > The other factor is that LM/X is now officially in OSF/1 (Operating > System of the Future? :-), which makes a lot of sense. That sounds encouraging! > True. You might try asking a bit harder next time! Why, they even > do site wiring, PC LAN cards, 10-Base-T test equipment, SNMP > LANalysers, and all sorts of nice goodies! I knew about most of that other stuff. One of our Ahlstrom sister companies (Pyropower in San Diego) just had HP do a brand new building in UTP/10baseT wiring. Word is they did a good job, but that it was expensive! Hopefully, the adage "you get what you pay for" is really true. :-) > I've been using LM/X quite a bit. I like the HP_UX end, but the PC > end sucks, due to memory limitations. I believe this will be fixed > in the LOOOONG awaited next release (LM 1.1?) I agree. We've struggled quite a bit trying to get LM on the PC's and get enough memory left for the PC to do something besides just talk to the network. :-) ------------- James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651
dmatlock@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Delbert Matlock) (02/02/91)
What's the word on interoperability between HP-LM/X, SCO-LM/X, and Microsoft LAN Manager (1.1 & 2.0)? In particular, what will be the deal with protocol support? 3Com's NBP protocol easily allows for 521K of available memory on DOS workstations, so it would be nice to someday see something along the lines of an NBP protocol in LM/X. With 3Com's recent change in direction I don't know if this will ever be available now. ============================================================================= Delbert Matlock Internet: dmatlock@eecs.cs.pdx.edu MicroNet Northwest Voice: (503)228-3071
bob@rel.mi.org (Bob Leffler) (02/04/91)
In article <1393@pdxgate.UUCP> dmatlock@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Delbert Matlock) writes: >What's the word on interoperability between HP-LM/X, SCO-LM/X, and Microsoft >LAN Manager (1.1 & 2.0)? In particular, what will be the deal with protocol >support? 3Com's NBP protocol easily allows for 521K of available memory on >DOS workstations, so it would be nice to someday see something along the lines >of an NBP protocol in LM/X. With 3Com's recent change in direction I don't The only common non-proprietary transport that I've seen so far is TCP/IP. With the additional overhead of 3com's tcp/ip port and the apparent lack of windows 3.0 support (the win driver appears to only support 3com's nbp) I'm not totally sure of the benefit. If you establish connectivity, but the overhead renders the client useless, I'm not sure that is a win...... I don't foresee things like Decnet or NBP being adopted on all the LM/X servers. Perhaps using TP4 or some similar scheme makes more sense. I guess only time will tell. Perhaps there will be some major announcements at the upcoming Networld. bob -- Bob Leffler, (bob@rel.mi.org), (313) 696-2479 Opinions expressed Electronic Data Systems, GM Truck & Bus SBU may not be those Systems & Technology, Enterprise Technical Planning of my employer. Box 7019, 5555 New King Street, Troy MI. 48007
jim@tiamat.fsc.com (Jim O'Connor) (02/05/91)
In article <1393@pdxgate.UUCP>, dmatlock@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Delbert Matlock) writes: > What's the word on interoperability between HP-LM/X, SCO-LM/X, and Microsoft > LAN Manager (1.1 & 2.0)? In particular, what will be the deal with protocol > support? 3Com's NBP protocol easily allows for 521K of available memory on > DOS workstations, so it would be nice to someday see something along the lines > of an NBP protocol in LM/X. With 3Com's recent change in direction I don't > know if this will ever be available now. The docs for HP-LM/X said that you could use 3Com clients with it only after 3Com introduced a TCP/IP stack for their DOS client software (which was supposedly in progress at the time - and is definitely available, since HP's DOS client software uses it). HP also sells an OS/2 server package which has TCP/IP capabilities, so you can have HP-UX LM/X servers and OS/2 LM servers talk to the same clients. I haven't heard anything about SCO or Microsoft LM/X, but my guess is that they'll also use TCP/IP, thus requiring TCP/IP capability in the DOS clients. ------------- James B. O'Connor jim@tiamat.fsc.com Ahlstrom Filtration, Inc. 615/821-4022 x. 651
alexb@cfctech.cfc.com (Alex Beylin) (03/03/91)
In article <1991Jan30.133710.389@cpqhou.uucp> darrells@cpqhou.uucp (Darrell Starnes) writes: > >SCO announced Lan Manager for UNIX at UNIFORUM in Dallas last week. We >actually showed it in our booth running on a dual processor 386/33 >SYSTEMPRO. It is supported on the SVR3.2 UNIX. It is due to ship >in March. If you have any questions, contact SCO. > >Darrell Starnes >Systems Engineer >Compaq Computer Corporation >Houston, TX Which version of LM/X? The latest Microsoft code is version 2, but AT&T have not yet released LM ver. 2 for Unix, as far as I know. Also, are peer services supported under this version? Alex Beylin, Systems Specialist | +1 313 759-7114 alexb@cfctech.cfc.com | Chrysler Corp. MIS sharkey!cfctech!alexb | Distributed Systems Group