[comp.unix.admin] MONEY_FOR_BANKS offer

fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) (04/16/91)

For anyone who is interested, on April 8, someone placed a commercial
announcement for a "credit card indemnification club" in world writable
anonymous ftp directories from here to Finland.

| Dear Reader:
|         We are a multi-service comapny that needs your help.  We need
| to secure as many banks in our computer banks as possible.  We don't
| want no one else's help, but yours.  For each submitted bank you will
| receive $5.00.  If you are a member of the credit indemnification club,
| then you will receive $7.50/submission.  Look under CREDIT_CARD_PROTECTION
| for more details and the address of the company.

| Sincerely,

| P. L. Miller
| President
| Miller's Comsumer Service

I wonder why the bankers won't give him the list.

Look for:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp          1394 Apr  8 05:55 CREDIT_CARD_INDEMNIFICATION
-rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp           473 Apr  8 05:55 MONEY_FOR_BANKS
-- 
We need to secure as many banks in our computer banks as possible.  We
don't want no one else's help, but yours.  Miller's Comsumer Service

tgp@sei.cmu.edu (Tod Pike) (04/16/91)

In article <!vkg8.#@rpi.edu> fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) writes:
>For anyone who is interested, on April 8, someone placed a commercial
>announcement for a "credit card indemnification club" in world writable
>anonymous ftp directories from here to Finland.
>
>| Dear Reader:
>|         We are a multi-service comapny that needs your help.  We need

  Well, I got this same file on my server here, but I have logging turned on
to trace connections; I was able to track down where the files came from and
when they had been put there.  It turns out that the files came from a
machine in the auburn.edu domain.  I contacted the admin there, and the
person who did the file transfers has been identified.  According to the
admin at auburn, the perpetrator has been spoken to, and should not be a
problem in the future.

  Sorry to be so vague about the details, but I see no reason to cause a big
stink about what is essentially a prank.  If anyone wants the name of the
person I spoke to at auburn, I will be happy to supply it.  The people there
were very responsive and polite, which is refreshing when dealing with
security problems.

			Tod Pike

Internet: tgp@sei.cmu.edu
Mail:     Carnegie Mellon University
	  Software Engineering Institute
	  Pittsburgh, PA. 15213-3980

dct@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) (04/16/91)

fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) writes:
< 
< For anyone who is interested, on April 8, someone placed a commercial
< announcement for a "credit card indemnification club" in world writable
< anonymous ftp directories from here to Finland.
< 
>|Dear Reader:
>|        We are a multi-service comapny that needs your help.  We need
>|to secure as many banks in our computer banks as possible.  We don't
>|want no one else's help, but yours.  For each submitted bank you will
>|receive $5.00.  If you are a member of the credit indemnification club,
>|then you will receive $7.50/submission. Look under CREDIT_CARD_PROTECTION
>|for more details and the address of the company.
>|Sincerely,
>|P. L. Miller
>|President
>|Miller's Comsumer Service
< 
< I wonder why the bankers won't give him the list.
< 
< Look for:
< -rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp          1394 Apr  8 05:55 CREDIT_CARD_INDEMNIFICATION
< -rw-rw-rw-  1 ftp           473 Apr  8 05:55 MONEY_FOR_BANKS

Thanks for the tip!  After reading your message, I found these files on 
our FTP archive, too.  I've tried contacting the company by phone, but 
there's no phone number listed in the directory (that sounds 
suspicious...).  A quick look at our logs reveals that the Internet 
address of the machine used to perpretrate this is 131.204.21.12 .  Anyone 
know whose machine this is?  I'm not well-versed in Internet 
name-lookup-type things.

At best, this is one of those credit "services" that prey on people with 
bad credit.  At worst, it could be a bizarre pyramid-type con game where 
the guy skips town before paying out what he promises.  Either way, it has 
"DON'T TOUCH" written all over it, and I'm not happy about our machine 
being a part of it.  We've now shut off "world-writable" FTP permissions.

Is there another newsgroup discussing this in greater detail?  If so, 
somebody please e-mail me that info.

--
David C. Tuttle                             dct@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Software Systems Specialist               Department of Biomathematics
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center         Houston, Texas

fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) (04/17/91)

David C. Tuttle writes:
> that I write:
>< 
>< For anyone who is interested, on April 8, someone placed a commercial
>< announcement for a "credit card indemnification club" in world writable
>< anonymous ftp directories from here to Finland.

>We've now shut off "world-writable" FTP permissions.

Please reconsider.

I never intended to mean sysadmins everywhere should shut down the
"incoming" side of anonymous ftp.  It's one of the easiest ways I know
to submit a large package to an archive (it's also a potential way to
introduce a worm or virus, so watch out!), or for users to exchange
large amounts of data conveniently or to exchange software packages or
conference papers, and so on.

Part of "open computing" is dealing with, or just putting up with stuff
like this on the rare occasions it happens.  How much to tolerate
depends on your threshold and your schedule.

Please don't turn off "incoming", everybody!

By the way, this is my opinion, and does not necessarily reflect the
policy of the RPI site administration, but I sure do appreciate their
input (Thanks Herb!)

Brian
-- 
We need to secure as many banks in our computer banks as possible.  We
don't want no one else's help, but yours.  Miller's Comsumer Service

emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti) (04/17/91)

In article <x4kg8t_@rpi.edu> fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) writes:

   >We've now shut off "world-writable" FTP permissions.

   Please reconsider.

A reasonable thing to do is to have a world-writable directory
separate and off on its own (like "incoming"), which is not
read-permitted by anyone.  Sites like e.g. atari.archive.umich.edu set
up something like this to allow anonymous submissions but to avoid
having their site be a vector for malicious doings or pirated software.

An anonymous dark drop-box only allows you to fetch things if you know
the name already.

-- 
 Msen	Edward Vielmetti
/|---	moderator, comp.archives
	emv@msen.com

"With all of the attention and publicity focused on gigabit networks,
not much notice has been given to small and largely unfunded research
efforts which are studying innovative approaches for dealing with
technical issues within the constraints of economic science."  
							RFC 1216

dct@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) (04/17/91)

fitz@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald) writes:
> that I write:
>> that he writes:
>>< 
>>< For anyone who is interested, on April 8, someone placed a commercial
>>< announcement for a "credit card indemnification club" in world writable
>>< anonymous ftp directories from here to Finland.
> 
>>We've now shut off "world-writable" FTP permissions.
> 
> Please reconsider...  <a case not to shut off write permissions follows>

Our archive is currently quite restricted in its scope.  Its only purpose 
(currently) is to facilitate distribution of our half-dozen-or-so 
home-grown statistical software packages, and we've never had reason or 
cause to use the archive for two-way data exchange.

But you make a good case, and it's not that big a problem, so I'll re-open 
write permissions... partially.

--
David C. Tuttle                             dct@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Software Systems Specialist               Department of Biomathematics
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center         Houston, Texas

fmayhar@hermes.ladc.bull.com (Frank Mayhar) (04/20/91)

In article <4971@lib.tmc.edu>, dct@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) writes:
-> [...]  A quick look at our logs reveals that the Internet 
-> address of the machine used to perpretrate this is 131.204.21.12 .  Anyone 
-> know whose machine this is?  I'm not well-versed in Internet 
-> name-lookup-type things.

host -t ptr 12.21.204.131.in-addr.arpa
12.21.204.131.in-addr.arpa PTR ohm.ee.eng.auburn.edu

Auburn University?
-- 
Frank Mayhar  fmayhar@hermes.ladc.bull.com (..!{uunet,hacgate}!ladcgw!fmayhar)
              Bull HN Information Systems Inc.  Los Angeles Development Center
              5250 W. Century Blvd., LA, CA  90045    Phone:  (213) 216-6241