[net.followup] "Problem-Solving" Courses

sher (11/08/82)

Do we really understand problem solving well enough to give a course in
it?  I realize that it is an important skill but just what is it? I
found logical problems such as those in the GRE rather difficult in
ways that do not seem relevant to most real problem solving situations.
[ I refer to problems of the form If you have five people named ... and
two boats and one truck and a helicopter ... and Susan must be
separated from Jim because of what they did last time ... can they all
fit?]  Trying to cause children to be experts in this kind of problem
solving seems to me to be irrelevant to any real life objective.  Also
I thought I was being taught how to solve problems when I went through
school (I learned how to avoid the guards, how to walk through the
halls without a pass and many other things that can be generalized to
real life situations (since when is school not real life?  you can get
robbed, you get and lose credit, you fight with your peers ...)) Of
course classes were places where one learned various exotic facts that
may come in useful somewhere.

Generally confused but perhaps willing to give my real name
David Sher

jcwinterton (11/25/82)

	In fact, it is doubtful that anyone can understand a computer
application of any magnitude to consider that the algorithms written really
"solve" the problem.  However, I believe that it most certainly is useful
to teach a course or courses in computer applications such as the ones Doug
Dyment will be giving here at U of W.  It is really a shame that "Computer
Science" students and graduates often find out that while they know a lot
about computers, that they don't know much about the bread and butter applic-
ations such as Tariff Routing, General Accounting, Inventory Control,
Manufacturing, etc.  One of the most frustrating things that happens to
installation managers is that the "excellently qualified" candidate for a job
with a degree such as B. Math. with the CS options disdains the workaday
languages such as PL/1, COBOL and FORTRAN and doesn't even understand the
problem you want him to solve.  More power to you, Doug!
		John Winterton.