[net.followup] Searle and Artificial Intellegence sic

donn (11/27/82)

Re: arizona.1254  "Refutiation [sic] of the Turing Test"

Sigh...  It's too bad that people are still listening to what John
Searle says about artificial intelligence.  As far as I can tell he
really has nothing useful to say; he is stuck in some old dualist rut
proclaiming that a simulation of the real thing can never be as good as
the real thing, due to some essential quality of the real thing that I
don't understand but is nevertheless there.  Pepsi will never be as
good as Coke.

Searle wrote up the Chinese example in an article in (I believe) Brain
and Behavioral Sciences, a few years ago.  Searle treats many possible
refutations in the paper, some of them even convincingly.  The journal
format is such that investigators are encouraged to write responses to
such position papers, and a horde of prominent scientists wrote back
challenging Searle's article; many of these answers are quite good and
(in my humble opinion) make hash of Searle's argument.  I recall that
Douglas Hofstadter was one of the respondents but his response was not
to take Searle seriously, which I believe is a mistake...  I may look
this discussion up again to refresh my memory, this weekend.

I like this sort of discussion but it should go to net.misc, not
net.general; people, pleeeeeeze....

Donn Seeley  UCSD Chemistry Dept. RRCF  ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdchema!donn