jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) (10/16/90)
Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? I have heard that Microport has a version that is System-V, BSD, and SunOs compatible for around $1500, but what else is available? At one time, Intel was going to offer a $400 upgrade to 4.0 from 3.2, but now I can't seem to find anyone at Intel who will talk about UNIX. Does anyone have any information about Intel UNIX? Thanks, Jim Davis davis@isuee1.ee.iastate.edu
rvdp@cs.vu.nl (=Ronald van der Pol) (10/17/90)
jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) writes: |Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? I have heard that Microport has a version |that is System-V, BSD, and SunOs compatible for around $1500, but what else |is available? At one time, Intel was going to offer a $400 upgrade to 4.0 |from 3.2, but now I can't seem to find anyone at Intel who will talk about |UNIX. Does anyone have any information about Intel UNIX? I really want to know to!! -- Ronald van der Pol <rvdp@cs.vu.nl>
tris@alzabo.uucp (Tris Orendorff) (10/18/90)
jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) writes: >Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? I have heard that Microport has a version >that is System-V, BSD, and SunOs compatible for around $1500, but what else >is available? At one time, Intel was going to offer a $400 upgrade to 4.0 >from 3.2, but now I can't seem to find anyone at Intel who will talk about >UNIX. Does anyone have any information about Intel UNIX? Try calling The Programmer's Connection at 1-800-336-1166. They sell Intel System V release 4.0 for $1379.00. It is listed in their Fall '90 catalog. -- Sincerely Yours Tris Orendorff tris@alzabo.uucp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ALGERNON: The doctors found out that Bunbury could not live ... so Bunbury died. LADY BRACKNELL: He seems to have had great confidence in the opinion of his physicians.
linas@hparc0.HP.COM (Linas Petras) (10/18/90)
>Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? I have heard that Microport has a version >that is System-V, BSD, and SunOs compatible for around $1500, but what else I didn't know that Microport were back in business. Does this mean that I can get an upgrade to my 3.0e system ????? Linas Petras Speaking for myself and not HP
thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) (10/18/90)
jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) in <jacobson.656092004@atanasoff>
writes:
"Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? [...]"
Tyan Computer in Sunnyvale CA has SVR4 for their 386 and 486 systems, and
will be demo'ing their 486 running X11R4 at the Silicon Valley AT&T UNIX
Users' Group meeting Oct. 24, 1990 also in Sunnyvale.
I'll post whatever info I receive at that meeting; and I'll also be posting
w/in 24 hours from now the meeting notice with more particulars (since I kinda
run the Users' Group :-) And, no, I do NOT work for Tyan; they've been running
ads recently in the local newspapers and this seemed too exciting to pass up
for the Users' Group. Meeting notices are also being posted at the local
colleges and universities (Stanford, UCSC, U Santa Clara, etc.)
I'll also check as to whether AT&T has their SVR4 on the 6386 yet ... somehow
I get the impression it's not yet out even though they've published the SVR4
software compatibilty guide which is accompanied by two disks: one for a 386
and the other for a 3B2.
FYI, there will also be a 68040 running some variant of SVR4 (??) and X11R4
at the same meeting. Should be interesting :-)
Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]ie43gn1f@serss0.fiu.edu (Wolf Kozel) (10/19/90)
In article <7959@star.cs.vu.nl> rvdp@cs.vu.nl (=Ronald van der Pol) writes: >jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) writes: > >|Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? I have heard that Microport has a version >I really want to know to!! Check out Microport System V Release 4.0 when it is released (soon). I've found the people at Microport are very nice and easy to deal with. I'd had problems loading Intel Rel 4.0 since it couldn't find the tape drive. When I called Intel, I got shuffled to at least 10 different phone numbers and left in limbo on voice-mail! I finally gave up, when they told me to get the floppies from the people we purchased it from. Which is, BTW, Intel! Wolf
mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) (10/19/90)
In article <34996@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes: >jacobson@cs.iastate.edu (Doug Jacobson) in <jacobson.656092004@atanasoff> >writes: > > "Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? [...]" UHC sells System V Release 4.0 for the 386/486/860. However, they are still running X11R3. I spoke with one of their sales people today and he indicated they would have X11R4 within a few months. I got their marketing packet in the mail and here are the prices: UHC Unix System V Release 4.0 $2,995 - On sell this month for $1,995 - Includes all of the following - Includes documentation Foundation Set for Single Processor $895 - BSD and XENIX extensions, troff, Extended Terminal Interface, enhanced System Adm. Interface Networking Module $995 - STREAMS, BSD sockets interface, TCP/IP and Internet Utilities, RFS, NFS Development Module $695 - ANSI C Compiler, sdb X Window System Module $795 - X11.3, X11/NeWS, OPEN LOOK Graphical User Interface, XView toolkit Just like all the other suppliers they don't offer online documentation, but the manual set comes with the system and has been rewrite for the UHC implementation (not the standard 3B2 stuff). I talk with the marketing dept. and they said only hackers/advanced users would use online manuals and prefer the paper stuff. I've yet to figure this one out. I work on a Ultrix system at the office and never use the paper junk. Also, they said the main part of the high price involves the fees from AT&T. Apparently AT&T is moving away from 3.2. So I guess most other vendors when they release 4.0 will have higher prices than they do now. Does anyone know why they charge from X Window's. It is free software to anyone who wants it from MIT. I could understand maybe $100 for media and manuals, but $795? UHC is suppose to have pretty close ties with AT&T. They are appearing in their booth at the trade shows. They say their is quite a bit of exchange between UHC & AT&T. I hope this helps. --- Michael R. Almond mra@srchtec.uucp (registered) search technology, inc. emory!stiatl!srchtec!mra Atlanta, Georgia (404) 441-1457 (office) .'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'. Georgia Tech Alumnus .'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.
tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) (10/19/90)
In article <1520@kluge.fiu.edu> ie43gn1f@serss0.fiu.edu (Wolf Kozel) writes: >I'd had problems loading Intel Rel 4.0 since it couldn't find >the tape drive. When I called Intel, I got shuffled to at least >10 different phone numbers and left in limbo on voice-mail! I >finally gave up, when they told me to get the floppies from >the people we purchased it from. Which is, BTW, Intel! I know the feeling of getting bounced around Intel. Anyway, make sure that your tape drive is set for IRQ 5, DMA 1, and I/O 300-301. Intel claims to support a lot more tape controller/driver combos in 4.0, unlike 3.2 which only supports the Wangtek PC-36. However for anyone in future I *DO* recommend buying the floppies, since they are more generally portable and cost less. Get 5.25" if possible. -- If the human mind were simple enough to understand, =)) Tom Neff we'd be too simple to understand it. -- Emerson Pugh ((= tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM
larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) (10/19/90)
mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes: > UHC sells System V Release 4.0 for the 386/486/860. However, they >are still running X11R3. I spoke with one of their sales people today and >he indicated they would have X11R4 within a few months. > I got their marketing packet in the mail and here are the prices: > UHC Unix System V Release 4.0 $2,995 > - On sell this month for $1,995 > - Includes all of the following > - Includes documentation Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- -- Larry Snyder, Northern Star Communications, Notre Dame, IN USA {larry@nstar, uunet!sco!romed!nstar!larry, nstar!larry@ndmath.math.nd.edu} backbone usenet newsfeeds available Public Access Unix Site (219) 289-0282 (5 high speed lines)
pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) (10/19/90)
thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes: > "Who sells UNIX 4.0 for the 386? [...]" >I'll also check as to whether AT&T has their SVR4 on the 6386 yet ... somehow >I get the impression it's not yet out even though they've published the SVR4 >software compatibilty guide which is accompanied by two disks: one for a 386 >and the other for a 3B2. From what I read in the specs, AT&T's new StarServer symmetric multiprocessing 486 runs SVR4 only. -- Pim Zandbergen domain : pim@cti-software.nl CTI Software BV uucp : uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ctisbv!pim Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70 phone : +31 70 3542302 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands fax : +31 70 3512837
rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) (10/20/90)
mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes about a chat with UHC. (BTW, has anyone suggested to the UHC folks that they might join in here on USENET?) > Just like all the other suppliers they don't offer online documentation... All which other suppliers? ISC and SCO both offer online documentation (after, among other things, being beaten up about it by netfolk:-)... > Also, they said the main part of the high price involves the fees from AT&T. Could some other folks who've been reading this group for a while help me out here. I'm *sure* I remember that one of the great things about V.4 was supposed to be that the royalties were going to be so much lower than V.3 that the end-user price would be dirt-cheap. Did I just hallucinate that? and immediately following on from that... > Apparently AT&T is moving away from 3.2... This just doesn't follow, somehow. It sounds like "We want to move from X to Y, so we'll encourage it by raising the price on Y." Note - I *don't* mean this as a criticism of what Michael wrote. I assume he's just reporting; I'm just trying to make sense of it. >...So I guess most other vendors when > they release 4.0 will have higher prices than they do now. Again...didn't we hear a pitch for V.4 in the past (perhaps a year or a little more ago) where "lower price" was a big point? If not, I've got to go out and get my brain recalibrated. > Does anyone know why they charge from X Window's. It is free software > to anyone who wants it from MIT. I could understand maybe $100 for media > and manuals, but $795? Several possibilities; lots of conjecture here: - What you get from MIT needs a lot of work to turn it into product quality with good performance. (I certainly spent enough time in the assembly-language mud for the one X server I worked on!) - Their X package included X11/NeWS, OpenLook, XView toolkit. Don't these all require some Sun licensing fees? I don't think they're too expensive (since Sun is trying to encourage use of OpenLook and XView) but I thought there was some cost. - Is this a developer's X package? Since the rest of the system is developer-oriented, it seems likely. This might include some of UHC's development tools. It would also mean they're expecting small quantities at this point, which requires larger margins than the eventual end-user product. -- Dick Dunn rcd@ico.isc.com -or- ico!rcd Boulder, CO (303)449-2870 ...Never offend with style when you can offend with substance.
cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (10/20/90)
In article <1990Oct19.222636.9227@ico.isc.com> rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) writes: >mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes about a chat with UHC. (BTW, has >anyone suggested to the UHC folks that they might join in here on USENET?) They have access to the net (or at least thier sales branch sees stuff posted here). When I posted something about the product a while ago I got a call from them asking if I needed any more info. >Could some other folks who've been reading this group for a while help me >out here. I'm *sure* I remember that one of the great things about V.4 was >supposed to be that the royalties were going to be so much lower than V.3 >that the end-user price would be dirt-cheap. Did I just hallucinate that? NO you aren't hallucinating. AT&T did reduce per-machine license fees for small machines. However, UHC may be referring to the $100,000+ that they have to pay to get the source plus binary re-distribution rights. > - Their X package included X11/NeWS, OpenLook, XView toolkit. They also claim to include MOTIF. -- Conor P. Cahill (703)430-9247 Virtual Technologies, Inc., uunet!virtech!cpcahil 46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160 Sterling, VA 22170
cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (10/21/90)
In article <1990Oct19.130404.25352@nstar.uucp> larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes: >Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- However, most of us can't find anyone at intel that will sell a copy. After 12 or 15 phone calls I finally got in touch with the guy who is responsible for the UNIX product in this area and he told me that 4.0 has not yet been released. -- Conor P. Cahill (703)430-9247 Virtual Technologies, Inc., uunet!virtech!cpcahil 46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160 Sterling, VA 22170
mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) (10/23/90)
In article <1990Oct19.130404.25352@nstar.uucp> larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes: >mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes: >> UHC sells System V Release 4.0 for the 386/486/860. However, they >>are still running X11R3. I spoke with one of their sales people today and >>he indicated they would have X11R4 within a few months. > >> I got their marketing packet in the mail and here are the prices: > >> UHC Unix System V Release 4.0 $2,995 >> - On sell this month for $1,995 >> - Includes all of the following >> - Includes documentation > >Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- I don't know what the prices are for Intel's version. I was just telling you what UHC has to offer. Also, I've heard people having real problems getting support from Intel and I have taken Intel off of my list based on these reports. The UHC people seem very willing to help. When I asked them which disk, graphics cards, etc. they offered support for, they said to just let them know what I had and they would write the drivers if they didn't have them in about a two (2) week time period. --- Michael R. Almond mra@srchtec.uucp (registered) search technology, inc. emory!stiatl!srchtec!mra Atlanta, Georgia (404) 441-1457 (office) .'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'. Georgia Tech Alumnus .'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.
duc@mport.UUCP (Richard Ducoty) (10/23/90)
larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes: >mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes: >> UHC sells System V Release 4.0 for the 386/486/860. However, they >>are still running X11R3. I spoke with one of their sales >> UHC Unix System V Release 4.0 $2,995 >> - On sell this month for $1,995 >> - Includes documentation >Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- =================================================== Why go with EITHER of them! Microport is selling the complete release also - we don't have a voice mail system, but you can talk to people on the phone. I think the prices will be coming down all around in a few months - when the commercial cuts start being released. Richard Ducoty duc@mport.com Microport Inc uunet!mport!duc 408 438-8649
duc@mport.UUCP (Richard Ducoty) (10/23/90)
rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) writes: >mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes about a chat with UHC. (BTW, has >anyone suggested to the UHC folks that they might join in here on USENET?) >> Just like all the other suppliers they don't offer online documentation... >All which other suppliers? ISC and SCO both offer online documentation >(after, among other things, being beaten up about it by netfolk:-)... >> Also, they said the main part of the high price involves the fees from AT&T. ====================================== Microport's S5R4 and 3.2.2 both have online man pages By the way Microport's e-address has been changed (someone bagged uport while we were 'on vacation') It's now ---> mport.COM or ..uunet!mport!.. Richard Ducoty Microport Inc 408 438-8649
tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) (10/23/90)
In article <1354@rlgvax.UUCP> monroe@rlgvax.OPCR.ICL.COM (Steve Monroe) writes: >In article <15976@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes: >> Intel >>claims to support a lot more tape controller/driver combos in 4.0, >>unlike 3.2 which only supports the Wangtek PC-36. > >Gosh, I've been using an Everex-125 with QIC-02 (I think) under both 3.2.1 >3.2.2 for quite some time now.... Nevertheless read qt(7). Others may work but only if they are PC-36 compatible. Again, this only applies to the vanilla ports like AT&T and Intel. Other, ISC-derived products may have added other support already. -- I might have gone to West Point, but I was too / /\ Tom Neff proud to speak to a Congressman. -- Will Rogers /__/ \ tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM
monroe@rlgvax.UUCP (Steve Monroe) (10/23/90)
In article <15976@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes: > Intel >claims to support a lot more tape controller/driver combos in 4.0, >unlike 3.2 which only supports the Wangtek PC-36. Gosh, I've been using an Everex-125 with QIC-02 (I think) under both 3.2.1 3.2.2 for quite some time now.... -- ============================================================================== Steve Monroe (work) 703-648-3464 (home) 703-430-1318 304 East Amhurst Street monroe@ropes.opcr.icl.com (alt) 703-430-1388 Sterling, VA 22170 scum@walney.com (fax) 703-430-1388
johncore@compnect.UUCP (John Core ) (10/24/90)
MICROPORT in Scotts Valley CA is shipping 4.0 Wizard Systems | UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!compnect!johncore P.O. Box 6269 |INTERNET: johncore@compnect.wa3wbu Harrisburg, Pa. 17112-6269 |a public bbs since 1978. Data(717)657-4992 & 4997 John Core, SYSOP |------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------| No matter where you go, there you are! a woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke. -R. Kipling
richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) (10/24/90)
>>Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >>the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- > > I don't know what the prices are for Intel's version. I was just >telling you what UHC has to offer. Also, I've heard people having real >problems getting support from Intel and I have taken Intel off of my list >based on these reports. > > The UHC people seem very willing to help. When I asked them which disk, >graphics cards, etc. they offered support for, they said to just let them know >what I had and they would write the drivers if they didn't have them in about >a two (2) week time period. Sounds like no one is buying. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (10/29/90)
> >>Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe > >>the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- But UHC is shipping... -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' +1 713 274 5180. 'U` peter@ferranti.com
larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) (10/29/90)
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >> >>Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >> >>the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- >But UHC is shipping... who said that Intel wasn't? -- Larry Snyder, Northern Star Communications, Notre Dame, IN USA {larry@nstar, uunet!sco!romed!nstar!larry, nstar%larry@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu} backbone usenet newsfeeds available Public Access Unix Site (219) 289-0282 (5 high speed lines)
fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) (10/30/90)
In article <FEQ659@xds13.ferranti.com>, peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > > >>Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe > > >>the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- > > But UHC is shipping... Gee, that's a change. I thought we were the only company shipping a production V.4 product. Now, before you get excited, we are publishers and just released a pocket-sized Command Summary for V.4. :-) When we were writing it it was interesting attempting to find a system that actually ran to use for testing. (This was only a month ago.) We managed to get a person at AT&T to run some stuff on a 3B2 for us and someone at Sony to do some final testing. Dell said they had a system up but we were in a last minute rush and the offer from Sony showed up and solved our problems. -- Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155 (206)FOR-UNIX uunet!pilchuck!ssc!fyl or attmail!ssc!fyl (206)527-3385
larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) (10/31/90)
mark@intek01.uucp (Mark McWiggins) writes: >larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes: >>peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >>>> >>Now the question is, why to go with UHC over Intel (or maybe >>>> >>the other way around). Intel is cheaper -- >>>But UHC is shipping... >>who said that Intel wasn't? >Intel is. I have one. Looks good so far, although I'm slogging through >a few hardware weirdnesses. >I ordered thru Programmer's Connection, if you're interested. Took a >couple of weeks, but their service was great. I received our release 4 from Intel yesterday -- still looking through everything - if it runs as well as the docs say - this is a very good deal. I am wondering just how fast the FFS is as compared against other fast file systems -- -- Larry Snyder, Northern Star Communications, Notre Dame, IN USA {larry@nstar, uunet!sco!romed!nstar!larry, nstar%larry@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu} backbone usenet newsfeeds available Public Access Unix Site (219) 289-0282 (5 high speed lines)
bod@dynaalz.radig.de (Olof Dahm) (11/04/90)
In <839@compnect.UUCP> johncore@compnect.UUCP (John Core ) writes: >MICROPORT in Scotts Valley CA is shipping 4.0 >Wizard Systems | UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!compnect!johncore >P.O. Box 6269 |INTERNET: johncore@compnect.wa3wbu >Harrisburg, Pa. 17112-6269 |a public bbs since 1978. Data(717)657-4992 & 4997 >John Core, SYSOP |------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------| No matter where you go, there you are! >a woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke. -R. Kipling Intel is. We sell INTEL UNIX 4.0 in Germany. Olof Dahm Dynasoft Tel. +49-6023-30611