RREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (12/30/90)
Does anyone have information on this port? I scanned the DDJ article (1/91)
and at the end it said that the port was done at the University of CA. I
have heard rumors that it is available via ftp somewhere. My question is,
if it is available via ftp, what does one need to legally obtain a copy
besides ftp access? Thanks in advance!
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In article <90364.035712RREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu> RREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu writes: >Does anyone have information on this port? I scanned the DDJ article (1/91) >and at the end it said that the port was done at the University of CA. I >have heard rumors that it is available via ftp somewhere. My question is, >if it is available via ftp, what does one need to legally obtain a copy >besides ftp access? Thanks in advance! 4.4BSD will support the 386 architecture (although peripheral support will be somewhat limited). To get it you need a SOURCE license (read this as lots of $$ unless you are a university). To my knowledge there has been no announcements of a commercial distribution of a binary product. -- Conor P. Cahill (703)430-9247 Virtual Technologies, Inc., uunet!virtech!cpcahil 46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160 Sterling, VA 22170
pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) (01/02/91)
On 31 Dec 90 11:55:56 GMT, cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) said: cpcahil> 4.4BSD will support the 386 architecture (although peripheral cpcahil> support will be somewhat limited). To get it you need a SOURCE cpcahil> license (read this as lots of $$ unless you are a university). cpcahil> To my knowledge there has been no announcements of a commercial cpcahil> distribution of a binary product. Just because it is something I remember and it struck me as quite notable, if you have a source license you can alos get a 4.2BSD (or 4.3BSD) port to the 286 (yes, *2*86) from Rice University. Since it is fairly old, they probably have more drivers by now, and they should be fairly compatible with those of 4.4BSD. I remember there was a guy at YCB that has said that he was the one person doing the 386 4.4BSD port -- I do not remember whom he was, but if he is listening, he might find it nice to get in touch with the guys who did the 286 port. Who knows, maybe the two can be merged and 4.4BSD could run on 286s too. -- Piercarlo Grandi | ARPA: pcg%uk.ac.aber.cs@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Dept of CS, UCW Aberystwyth | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk
pat@orac.pgh.pa.us (Pat Barron) (01/02/91)
In article <1990Dec31.115556.20933@virtech.uucp> cpcahil@virtech.UUCP (Conor P. Cahill) writes: >4.4BSD will support the 386 architecture (although peripheral support will >be somewhat limited). To get it you need a SOURCE license (read this as >lots of $$ unless you are a university). To my knowledge there has been >no announcements of a commercial distribution of a binary product. Mt Xinu has announced that they will be distributing a binary version of Mach (as far as the user is concerned, it looks like 4.3BSD-tahoe) starting in late January. --Pat.
sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) (01/02/91)
In article <1990Dec31.115556.20933@virtech.uucp> cpcahil@virtech.UUCP (Conor P. Cahill) writes: >4.4BSD will support the 386 architecture (although peripheral support will >be somewhat limited). To get it you need a SOURCE license (read this as >lots of $$ unless you are a university). Note that CSRG is trying to make generic 4.4 "freely" available (that is, workable without an AT&T license). Last I saw, they were doing very well. And all the '386 specific pieces of the 386BSD are "freeware" (covered by the Berkeley license, which is a very reasonable thing). -- Sean Eric Fagan | "I made the universe, but please don't blame me for it; sef@kithrup.COM | I had a bellyache at the time." -----------------+ -- The Turtle (Stephen King, _It_) Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) (01/04/91)
RREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu writes: > Does anyone have information on this port? I scanned the DDJ article (1/91) > and at the end it said that the port was done at the University of CA... Essentially, yes. Bill Jolitz is the primary person responsible for the work. He had a demo version at USENIX Anaheim (last June). >...I have heard rumors that it is available via ftp somewhere... No, at least not in its entirety. BSD remains, as it has for quite a while, still subject to AT&T licensing. There are pieces of it which have been freed, but not the whole thing. (They're working on it.) -- Dick Dunn rcd@ico.isc.com -or- ico!rcd Boulder, CO (303)449-2870 ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."
richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) (01/04/91)
>>Does anyone have information on this port? I scanned the DDJ article (1/91) >>and at the end it said that the port was done at the University of CA. I >>have heard rumors that it is available via ftp somewhere. My question is, >>if it is available via ftp, what does one need to legally obtain a copy >>besides ftp access? Thanks in advance! > >4.4BSD will support the 386 architecture (although peripheral support will >be somewhat limited). To get it you need a SOURCE license (read this as >lots of $$ unless you are a university). To my knowledge there has been >no announcements of a commercial distribution of a binary product. The DDJ article said that the 4.3 port was functional, and they seemed to say that it is now free of AT&T encumbrances. They plan to make the source available to the masses as soon as possible. They promised a number of future articles in DDJ covering the nitty-gritty details of the port. This first article was pretty interesting. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com
dow@presto.ig.com (Christopher Dow) (01/05/91)
Hmmm..... I was told that 4.4BSD woudl _not_ require a Unix source license, since there was a plan to not use any AT&T source..... Chris Dow IntelliGenetics Software Engineer 700 East El Camino Real icbmnet: 37 22' 39" N, 122 3' 32" W Mountain View, Ca. 94040 dow@presto.ig.com (415) 962-7320
rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) (01/10/91)
Just so the situation is clear... richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes: > The DDJ article said that the 4.3 port was functional, and they seemed > to say that it is now free of AT&T encumbrances. They plan to make the > source available to the masses as soon as possible. and dow@presto.ig.com (Christopher Dow) writes: > Hmmm..... I was told that 4.4BSD woudl _not_ require a Unix > source license, since there was a plan to not use any AT&T source..... 386 BSD is *not* free of AT&T encumbrances--at least, not according to the folks at Berkeley. (One should be a little careful, when reporting what one "was told", to say who told it.:-) The following two statements are "known" based on late-December info: - The 386-specific kernel code for 4.4 is unencumbered. - The 4.4 kernel is currently *not* entirely unencumbered; it is still subject to AT&T licensing. The following is a reasonable inference based on what I know: - While there is work in progress (has been for some time) to free BSD code from AT&T licensing, it is unlikely that 4.4 will be such a freed system...the discussions about when 4.4 will appear suggest "reasonably soon" relative to the amount of "freeing" work which remains. (Also please note that I'm using the word "free" relative to AT&T licensing constraints; I'm *not* talking about zero-cost.) Of course, freed or not, it would be possible for some large organization to produce a 386-based BSD binary product as soon as Berkeley starts making the sources available under their usual terms. (I say "large organization" because it requires a company with big, expensive AT&T license to resell UNIX binaries.) But I haven't heard of anyone who's announced an intention to do so. The next likely source of Good Information about the progress of BSD, the 386 code, 4.4, freeing, etc., is the BSD BoF at USENIX in two weeks. -- Dick Dunn rcd@ico.isc.com -or- ico!rcd Boulder, CO (303)449-2870 ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."