mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (01/13/91)
In article <6877@crash.cts.com>, jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes: > mauro@netcom.UUCP (Mauro DePalma) writes: >> So far I received 3 mail messages which pretty much condemn my actions >> and 7 which applaud them. > > Make that four. Add my vote to the applause. > >> I know very well that it is expensive to receive news; I also cannot >> individually e-mail this distribution. There was a need for it judging >> from the number of articles posted asking for a 'working' groff >> >> I knew that I wouldn't make everyone happy, I don't even try. > > Instead of cluttering the discussion with it, you could have said it was > available for anonymous ftp on a site. That would have made a majority of the > people here happy. > > // JCA > > /* > **--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > ** Flames : /dev/null | What to buy? > ** ARPANET : crash!pnet01!jca@nosc.mil | EISA or MCA? > ** INTERNET: jca@pnet01.cts.com | When will the bus wars end? > ** UUCP : {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!jca > **--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > */ Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* in Canada (relative to the number of computer sites here; as an aside how many of you know that Calgary has more computers/CPUs per capita than any other city in the world?) due to the overwhelming costs in maintaining the lines etc. Perhaps there should be a site that has both FTP and dial-in access (uunet is prohibitively expensive for most human beings). Mike Hoffos -- mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca (MRC is a community college in Calgary) Disclaimer: Mount Royal College doesn't speak for me, and I *certainly* don't speak for them.
jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) (01/14/91)
mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca writes: >Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* in Canada >(relative to the number of computer sites here; as an aside how many of you >know that Calgary has more computers/CPUs per capita than any other city in the >world?) due to the overwhelming costs in maintaining the lines etc. Perhaps >there should be a site that has both FTP and dial-in access (uunet is >prohibitively expensive for most human beings). Then use the BITFTP server bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu. It'll get it for you, uuencode it and break it up into mail managable sized uuencoded chunks. All you need to access BITFTP is a UUCP connection. Simple. I'll buy ignorance cluttering up the net once. // JCA /* **--------------------------------------------------------------------------* ** Flames : /dev/null | What to buy? ** ARPANET : crash!pnet01!jca@nosc.mil | EISA or MCA? ** INTERNET: jca@pnet01.cts.com | When will the bus wars end? ** UUCP : {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!jca **--------------------------------------------------------------------------* */
luis@mavrick.UUCP (luis basto) (01/14/91)
In article <1991Jan13.010710.4714@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca>, mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca writes: > In article <6877@crash.cts.com>, jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes: > > mauro@netcom.UUCP (Mauro DePalma) writes: > >> So far I received 3 mail messages which pretty much condemn my actions > >> and 7 which applaud them. > > > > Make that four. > Add my vote to the applause. Add one more vote to the applause. Risking the possibility of being flamed, may I suggest an alternative to posting programs in this group? Is there any reason why they cannot be posted to comp.unix.sources or even alt.sources? Now, someone may want to post binaries since they are compatible across most 386 Unixes which would disqualify them in the sources groups. The volume may not be enough yet but someday we can have a comp.unix.sources.sysix86 or comp.binaries.unix.sysix86. This ought to cover the 486, 586, etc. -- Luis Basto Work: (512) 823-1893 Usenet: ...!cs.utexas.edu!mavrick!luis
james@bigtex.cactus.org (James Van Artsdalen) (01/14/91)
In <1991Jan13.010710.4714@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca>, mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca wrote: > Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* > in Canada due to the overwhelming costs in maintaining the lines > etc. Somehow, news and mail arrive in Canada. Whatever transport mechanism does this is also capable of retrieving groff. > Perhaps there should be a site that has both FTP and dial-in access > (uunet is prohibitively expensive for most human beings). uunet is *cheap*. How much do you think a posting of that type costs? Hint: for every site that gets news long distance, each such site individually paid more than it would cost you to call uunet and retrieve groff. There are a number of sites that keep such things for anonymous uucp. Ohio State comes to mind, and bigtex keeps a complete set of GNU tools. -- James R. Van Artsdalen james@bigtex.cactus.org "Live Free or Die" Dell Computer Co 9505 Arboretum Blvd Austin TX 78759 512-338-8789
sl@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) (01/14/91)
In article <1991Jan13.010710.4714@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca> mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca writes: >Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* in Canada >(relative to the number of computer sites here; as an aside how many of you >know that Calgary has more computers/CPUs per capita than any other city in the >world?) due to the overwhelming costs in maintaining the lines etc. Perhaps >there should be a site that has both FTP and dial-in access (uunet is >prohibitively expensive for most human beings). File: READ.ME.FIRST @ ftp.wimsey.bc.ca Wimsey.BC.CA ACCESS POLICY We try to maintain a repository of popular software here and make it available with Anonymous FTP and guest login. Please respect our privacy and don't make any attempts to circumvent any security arrangements. This repository is made available as a service to you, not to us. Internet access: FTP ftp.wimsey.bc.ca Login as user "anonymous", use any password. Some restrictions apply. Our network access is via 9600 bps PPP/VJ, please be patient. Dialup Access: PEP 604-939-4782 2400 604-939-4756 UUCP login: nuucp passwd: nuucp guest login: guest passwd: guest The guest login supports downloading with sz(1), which supports the XMODEM, YMODEM and ZMODEM protocols. Note that uucp requests should be directed to the ftp directory: uucp van-bc\!~ftp/pub/afile . Wimsey.BC.CA Management <maint@wimsey.bc.ca> (91/01/13) -- Stuart Lynne S&L Investments Ltd. ...!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) sl@wimsey.bc.ca
fortin@zap.uucp (Denis Fortin) (01/14/91)
In article <6888@crash.cts.com> jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes: >mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca writes: >>Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* in Canada > >Then use the BITFTP server bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu. It'll get it for you, >uuencode it and break it up into mail managable sized uuencoded chunks. But keep in mind that doing humongus "bitftp" transfers when you are a uucp site without a direct link to uunet might be seriously anti-social! Specifically, if the return path from princeton to you goes through a long distance phone call to uunet and then not directly to you (something like ...!uunet!some-site!...!you), then the poor folks at "some-site" are going to end up footing the bill for your access to the bitftp stuff (and are likely to end up cutting the link eventually). Anyway, a service like "bitftp" is *extremely* useful for ftp-less sites, so please don't abuse it: if you're going to use it make sure you're aware who is paying for the transfer and make sure that they don't mind! (Remember: just because they don't mind feeding you megabytes of news (which they *also* use), doesn't mean they won't mind paying for the transfer of 187238 gigabytes of archives from alt.sex.pictures that are being transfered via mail for your *own* personal use!) -- Denis Fortin, DMR Group Inc, (514) 877-3301 (All of these opinions are my own) fortin@zap.uucp uunet!sobeco!zap!fortin fortin%zap@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) (01/19/91)
jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes: >Then use the BITFTP server bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu. It'll get it for you, >uuencode it and break it up into mail managable sized uuencoded chunks. Wrong. Many times, neighboring UUCP sites which have to pay for their uunet connection, etc., intercept archive server requests and return them to you with an explanation as to why they will not forward your request. Thus, unless you are directly connected, or have a "clear" path, you cannot use the FTP server. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan / Sex is hereditary. If your -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com / parents never had it, chances -- UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd / are you won't either... -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 /
mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) (01/19/91)
james@bigtex.cactus.org (James Van Artsdalen) writes: >uunet is *cheap*. How much do you think a posting of that type costs? UUNET at $0.40/minute @ their 900 # is *NOT* cheap. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan / Sex is hereditary. If your -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com / parents never had it, chances -- UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd / are you won't either... -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 /
woods@eci386.uucp (Greg A. Woods) (02/08/91)
In article <6888@crash.cts.com> jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes: > mhoffos@janus.mtroyal.ab.ca writes: > >Just as a matter of record, FTP sites are just about *non-existent* in Canada > >(relative to the number of computer sites here; as an aside how many of you > >know that Calgary has more computers/CPUs per capita than any other city in the > >world?) due to the overwhelming costs in maintaining the lines etc. Perhaps > >there should be a site that has both FTP and dial-in access (uunet is > >prohibitively expensive for most human beings). > > Then use the BITFTP server bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu. It'll get it for you, > uuencode it and break it up into mail managable sized uuencoded chunks. > > All you need to access BITFTP is a UUCP connection. Simple. I'll buy > ignorance cluttering up the net once. PLEASE! DO NOT ABUSE BITFTP! Either buy the UUNET tapes, or find a local archive! Internet connections into Canada are very expensive, and are paid for by the public. Abuse will lead to total cut-off, and if you think UUNET is expensive for dial-up access, just wait 'til you see how expensive a similar Canadian service would be (which is why it's hard to justify a Canadian service when the American equivalent is cheaper). We don't *need* FTP! What we need is more co-operation in making existing and potential archives available. Get together with your friends and pay for one set of UUNET tapes, or one call to UUNET, and spread the cost of your "free" software around. -- Greg A. Woods woods@{eci386,gate,robohack,ontmoh,tmsoft}.UUCP ECI and UniForum Canada +1-416-443-1734 [h] +1-416-595-5425 [w] VE3TCP Toronto, Ontario CANADA Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible-ORWELL