peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (04/03/91)
In article <31@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes: > HP-UX or any other SysV based OS is too painful to administrate. What have you been smoking? I want some. BSD system administration hasn't changed significantly since V7. You still have to add drivers by editing makefiles, one way or the other. Compared to the System V sysadm stuff, and the idmk* programs, it's like stone knives and bear skins. And where Berkeley *has* innovated in system administration it's not done such a good job. I'm no big fan of MMDF, but next to sendmail.cf it's a masterpiece of clarity. We have some SPARCstations here and I'm dreading hooking them into the mail network. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' peter@ferranti.com +1 713 274 5180. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) (04/04/91)
In article <2+FAN65@xds13.ferranti.com> peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: | And where Berkeley *has* innovated in system administration it's not done | such a good job. I'm no big fan of MMDF, but next to sendmail.cf it's a | masterpiece of clarity. We have some SPARCstations here and I'm dreading | hooking them into the mail network. Get the latest version of EASE from source.unix (or misc) which was posted a few months ago. It takes about 2/3 the pain out of it. It has all the changes from the last version because we have everything from Sun to v.3 with sendmail here. -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) "Most of the VAX instructions are in microcode, but halt and no-op are in hardware for efficiency"
renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) (04/05/91)
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article <31@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes: > > HP-UX or any other SysV based OS is too painful to administrate. > What have you been smoking? I want some. I don't think he's been smoking anything. If most of the systems he works with are BSD-based, a single SysV based machine, or a new group of them will be painful to administer. Many of the scripts that he's written won't work correctly, and the user community will complain that things don't work as they used to. --bob-- renglish@hplabs Not speaking for anyone.
sblair@upurbmw.dell.com (Steve Blair) (04/05/91)
In article <1991Apr04.172441.22142@cello.hpl.hp.com>, renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes: |> If most of the systems he |> works with are BSD-based, a single SysV based machine, or a new group of |> them will be painful to administer. Many of the scripts that he's |> written won't work correctly, and the user community will complain that |> things don't work as they used to. |> |> --bob-- |> renglish@hplabs |> Not speaking for anyone. ************* I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, but this statement Bob, is patently *mis-leading*. Just because things dont' 100% work the same thing the same way does not imply, or *mean* that there's something "wrong" with an operating system. For example: I've spent many, many years in BSD systems' environments. Now as a member of the UNIX groups at DELL, I find myself working in new ways. Very, VERY few things that worked before in BSD land don't work in SYS V.4 . I've got a csh that works great, my pick of cc's that I wish to utilize, as well as library, and include file support for both environments. When assisting new users, I give them the *choice* of deciding if they'd like things to be as the "knew & loved" in BSD land, or to explore new territories in SVR4. My scripts that worked on BSD systems work quite fine here, at least in DELL V.4, and programs that I used to run under X in BSD land were exceptionally trivial to have work in V.4 land. Please carefully evaluate an operating system's "particulars" before branding things that may well work as well, or better than other environments..... regards, -- Steve Blair DELL UNIX DIVISION sblair@upurbmw.dell.com ================================================================