[comp.unix.sysv386] System V driver for Colorado Jumbo Tape Backup needed

egert@cs.Buffalo.EDU (christophe a egert) (04/02/91)

Does anyone out there know of a driver for either Xenix, ISC, or ESIX
that would support the Jumbo DJ-10 Tape Backup (120M with comprssion Jumbo)

If not, would anyone happen to know of where to find source for a general
purpose tape backup, so that I could modify it to work with a system V
setup.  Thanks.

							- Chris
							egert@cs.buffalo.edu

merlyn9@cbnewsd.att.com (michael.t.sedwick) (04/03/91)

In article <68177@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> egert@cs.Buffalo.EDU (christophe a egert) writes:
=>>
=>>
=>>Does anyone out there know of a driver for either Xenix, ISC, or ESIX
=>>that would support the Jumbo DJ-10 Tape Backup (120M with comprssion Jumbo)
=>>
=>>If not, would anyone happen to know of where to find source for a general
=>>purpose tape backup, so that I could modify it to work with a system V
=>>setup.  Thanks.
=>>
=>>							- Chris
=>>							egert@cs.buffalo.edu
=>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  Funney this should come up again! I was just preparing a nice litte
"letter-to-the-Editor" for PC Mag. I am just winding down from my latest bout
with Colorado Memory Systems (CMS) with this very topic.

  I have gone round and round with numerous differing persons at CMS, for over
a year on just that; backup software for Sys V UNIX! How can a company sell a
hardware product for $300.00 ($249.00 mail-order), then turn around & tell
UNIX users they REQUIRE a $200.00 piece of software to access this device?

  Now I'll admit it might be nice( for $200 it better be GREAT!!), with a menu
driven interface and all... BUT HEY, come on now THIS IS UNIX. cpio & tar
don't need a fancy menu interface! Menu's are great for somethings (interactive)
But I have otherthings to do then stand aroung idle while I back up my system!!

  It took them 6+ month to get this product out the door, from when it was
said to be released (hummm, shade of big blue!!) and then they want 2/3 to 3/4
the price of the drive, just to make it work? Something sound wrong here to me.

  I just received the second package of requested information from them
(correct info this time!). Of which it does say cpio & tar will work, but
they don't 'recommend it'. A phone call later tells me they don't currently
offer the software "unbundled", but they are working on a smaller package.
Great, BUT THEY don't know when it will be available! hum...

  Also enclosed was a list of authorized dealers of their products. Ok
talk is cheap, 8 calls later I had only ONE vendor who:

	a) would talk to me as an 'end-user'
	b) delt with their software products
	c) was not rude about the inquire
	d) actually knew CMS had a SYS V UNIX software package
	  {most had a SCO XENIX package $79.00 mail-order}

  Ok, so I did find it mail-order... $169.00. I don't remember who this
was off hand. (if you really want to know E-mail me for a reply)

  I have been waiting for this software since mid 1990, and now find
I need to steal a few weeks worth of groceries from the family to do it.
When I put together my '386 system last year I thought this was a great
deal of a drive. Especially since I couldn't afford one of those "standard"
drive (with enough capacity), which were running $700.00 to $900.00!

  Don't get me wrong here, for MS-DOS, this is a great deal. I love having the
joy of backing up to a single media. I just would really love that same option
under UNIX, at what I had thought was going to be a reasonable cost...(to an
end-user) Some how I get the feeling I may have been better off with one
of those 1/4" tape drive manufactures!


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bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) (04/04/91)

In article <1991Apr3.080955.21382@cbnewsd.att.com> merlyn9@cbnewsd.att.com (michael.t.sedwick) writes:
 
>  I have gone round and round with numerous differing persons at CMS, for over
>a year on just that; backup software for Sys V UNIX! How can a company sell a
>hardware product for $300.00 ($249.00 mail-order), then turn around & tell
>UNIX users they REQUIRE a $200.00 piece of software to access this device?

Easy.   They have you by the "Johnsons" (see Police Academy for that phrase)

On a similar problem with another tape vendor, I could not get new drivers
for an upgrade of the OS, and was told they had not decided to do such.
My flame here at least got a reply from tech support, and now I get
conflicting reports.

But what I now do is buy NOTHING that is not supported directly in the OS
WITHOUT vendor supplied add-ons, UNLESS that manufacturer is targetting
specifically toward a multi-user/Unix market places.

If Unix is an aftermarket to a DOS based product you will always come last,
if at all.


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                      : bill@bilver.UUCP

leo@aai.com (04/07/91)

bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:

>In article <1991Apr3.080955.21382@cbnewsd.att.com> merlyn9@cbnewsd.att.com (michael.t.sedwick) writes:
> 
>>  I have gone round and round with numerous differing persons at CMS, for over
>>a year on just that; backup software for Sys V UNIX! How can a company sell a
>>hardware product for $300.00 ($249.00 mail-order), then turn around & tell
>>UNIX users they REQUIRE a $200.00 piece of software to access this device?

>Easy.   They have you by the "Johnsons" (see Police Academy for that phrase)

>On a similar problem with another tape vendor, I could not get new drivers
>for an upgrade of the OS, and was told they had not decided to do such.
>My flame here at least got a reply from tech support, and now I get
>conflicting reports.

>But what I now do is buy NOTHING that is not supported directly in the OS
>WITHOUT vendor supplied add-ons, UNLESS that manufacturer is targetting
>specifically toward a multi-user/Unix market places.

Yeah, I don't understand why people buy these CMS Jumbos.  I guess they're
taken in by the advertising.  When I put my system together I wanted
disk/tape reliability and support in the OS, so I went with the Adaptec
1542B and Archive 2150S and haven't had any trouble at all.  Nice and fast
too!

Sure, I called CMS and asked about their product.  But when I heard about
the $200 driver required for unix and considered backing up at floppy
rates, I just said NO!  I bought a reconditioned Archive for $385 from
Datek.

Plus I can easily add additional disks, tapes, CD-ROM, DAT, etc.  I also
have a high degree of confidence that this combination will continue to be
supported in future unix releases.
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